posted January 06, 2015 09:45 PM            

First and foremost the ascendant rules appearances. Sometimes it'll match the personality so what you see is what you get. And other times it doesn't.

I've meet a Sun and Moon Aquarius with Pisces rising. She sure as hell came off as a Pisces and looked like one but she was certainly not a Pisces. Trust me, I know. I asked her out thinking she was a Pisces and I got burned by incompatibility.

I've also met a triple Pisces, Sun, Moon, and ASC. What you saw is what you got. Pisces in and out.

I'm a Taurus Ascendant. But I'm also a Sun Scorpio and Capricorn Moon. So I come off as really calm and relaxing to people. I also have Jupiter in the 1st and it makes me pretty jovial in my expression. Big laugh, loud sneeze. But I'm way way more brooding than my exterior shows. And way more serious than my Jupiter in the 1st shows. I also have an Aries Mars. Typically they say Taurus Ascendants are slow to start and initiate. I do find comfort in a slow and steady initiation like most Taurus ASC but I can just as easily become a hard charger due to that aggressive Mars placement.

posted January 07, 2015 01:37 AM            

I myself tend to fall into the trap of giving people brief,stereotyped descriptions of their Asc. But I usually add a disclaimer that these same descriptions could apply to the Sun/Moon just the same.

I think the problem comes when we try to think of certain positions that we like as "dominant". Thereby isolating those others that we deem too "weak" in ourselves.

This is especially so when there are many oppositions in the chart.

I for instance am having trouble accepting that I have Aries Asc.I was happier when my my mother initially gave me a time of birth that correlated with Taurus.

At worst,I find Aries placements "immature", rash,brute,uncouth,naive and forceful. I am having trouble integrating myself to that. I say "I am nothing like that. So it cannot be true".

However,when I consulted an Astrologer to confirm the Asc,he concluded that a great many events in my life correlate with this position.

So where does the "chill" factor come in?If I am not Taurus Asc,Why am I most annoyed by Aries positions in others? Why am I not attracted instead?

Well,my Mars is in Libra opposing it (the Asc).So I dissociate(7th)myself a lot with those traits. I don't see them in me.

But when I ask people what they think of me when they 1st meet me,I get words like "can be forceful","somewhat arrogant","confident" ,"candid","very friendly","wants to be in the front" etc.

posted January 07, 2015 05:10 AM            

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Originally posted by socialgraffiti:
What aspects/placements would cause a person not to relate to their rising sign description?

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You may have explained part of it in your second post, but in principle the answer is angular aspects to the Asc by planets that are of a very different nature than Cancer/water/lunar; also 1st house contents or stelliums in other signs. But generally, if you have read a number of descriptions of Cancer rising and can relate to none of it or very little, then you are probably not Cancer rising. Try Gemini instead.

The Asc does not rule 'appearances' in the sense of outward surfaces or add-ons (clothing, jewelry) that can be changed on a whim. The Asc is one's personal Aries point and rules the head and the body structure right down to the core. Cancer risers tend to have problems in the stomach, glands/nerves and be focused physically in those areas for their approach to the world.

It is actually quite common for a person to not match the Asc sign attributed to them by birth time of record. That is just a starting place for hopefully discovering your correct Asc sign/degree. So read about the signs adjacent/previous to Cancer. In fact a large percentage of people actually have the previous sign actually rising over the Asc of their correct birth chart.

There are reasons for this. I won't go into it here unless there is interest.

posted January 07, 2015 07:02 AM              

In my opinion the ascendant takes the most shallow descriptions of a sign (like a general sun sign description) and makes you appear like it. Like if those cookie cutter sign descriptions are gonna work for anything, it'll be the ascendant.

posted January 07, 2015 12:07 PM            

Have you ever tried looking into your Vedic astrology ascendant?

Virgo Ascendants can be very critical,clean, and analytical when it comes to things and I so can agree with that,but i'm not obsessive with it, though! I do worry about trivial things.

On the hand, I heard that Libra rising can go with the flow of things and be too passive with confrontations,I do this all time! I feel so drained with confrontations. The only thing that I don't agree with is the need for partnerships. I actually like to do things myself most of the times!

posted January 07, 2015 08:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

I know its staring me in the face, but....

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This was funny :P I understand it must of been tough adopting the truth especially if its something that opposes your Venus!

I'm sure you were able to tell by house placements as well. I usually use a person's Sun and Moon house placements to get an understanding of what's on their mind all the time or what fulfills them emotionally/comforts them. Works for me in my own chart.

posted January 08, 2015 01:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Koho:
This was funny :P I understand it must of been tough adopting the truth especially if its something that opposes your Venus!

I'm sure you were able to tell by house placements as well. I usually use a person's Sun and Moon house placements to get an understanding of what's on their mind all the time or what fulfills them emotionally/comforts them. Works for me in my own chart.

Transits are a big tell too. Especially the outer planet house transits. Life phases are pretty clear.

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We went through the events with a fine tooth comb: Starting with Pluto, moving to Neptune,Uranus and then Saturn,Jupiter,Mars and Venus.Comparing life events/health issues and all sorts of things.

She insists that birth chart rectification is a "process",it has to be applied consistently and not something that one must accept overnight.The birth chart must align to the events with stark accuracy.If not, the Asc is incorrect.

She said that I should just get comfortable and "test" the Asc position we both came upon for a period of two years.It is really a lengthy process of engagement- she was very deep.I was most impressed.

On our analysis we came upon the Asc "hiding" behind my natal cardinal T-square but more specifically on the 18-20 Degree mark.

She said that for the time being,I should use both the whole sign system as well as the degree points estimated to see whether the transits correlate.

But to her,she'll stake her money on Aries Ascending between 18 and 20 Degrees.I say Taurus!! .

Delightful lady she is though.It's been a learning experience.