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Topic: Are our natal charts REALLY that special?
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shyberry
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posted January 07, 2015 12:06 PM
  
So, I've seen a few articles and blogs where people say that our natal charts are unique and fit only to us, it's special, none other like it, etc. However, I got curious and decided to change the location of my birth place to see just how different my chart would be. I was born deep in the city and changed the location far up north near the ocean.Do you know what happened? Nothing. The house placements and the degrees didn't budge. Literally everything was the same. This is disappointing, but I've been thinking about it for awhile. Babies pop out everyday like water. That would mean a baby born in the same hospital (or even in the same area) at the same time (or born a minute before or after) would share your natal chart, right? Doesn't this also mean there are a lot of common folk out there who have possibly the same natal charts as big time celebrities, but never achieved any sort of recognition? I'm assuming there has to be more beyond astrology that dictates fame, success and so forth.
Any comments? I'm so confused.
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Geminiyoungster
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posted January 07, 2015 12:21 PM
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Originally posted by shyberry:
So, I've seen a few articles and blogs where people say that our natal charts are unique and fit only to us, it's special, none other like it, etc. However, I got curious and decided to change the location of my birth place to see just how different my chart would be. I was born deep in the city and changed the location far up north near the ocean.Do you know what happened? Nothing. The house placements and the degrees didn't budge. Literally everything was the same. This is disappointing, but I've been thinking about it for awhile. Babies pop out everyday like water. That would mean a baby born in the same hospital (or even in the same area) at the same time (or born a minute before or after) would share your natal chart, right? Doesn't this also mean there are a lot of common folk out there who have possibly the same natal charts as big time celebrities, but never achieved any sort of recognition? I'm assuming there has to be more beyond astrology that dictates fame, success and so forth.
Any comments? I'm so confused.
*sidenote* You post some great topics shyberry!
OMG,shyberry I was just thinking the same thing today! I can not wait for the responses for this one!
I also wondered the same thing about numerology? like for instance,If somebody has your same name and birth date, does it mean that you and that person will have the same career path and vibration? IP: Logged |
Barbiegirl19
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posted January 07, 2015 12:26 PM
They absolutely are. It's who you are. I think twins are a perfect example. Born minutes apart mostly, twins share the same birthday, the same womb, yet are their own seperate person. With two seperate minds, views and opinions. Someone may share the same birthday, birth time however your natal chart is your own. The location does affect the chart. The planet may stay the same sign but the degree, depending on the planet, does change. If I were born where I live now my ascendent would be different as well as the degree for several planets. That would change aspects, house positions. I would be different. IP: Logged |
shyberry
Knowflake Posts: 159
From: camp flog gnaw
Registered: Oct 2014
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posted January 07, 2015 12:39 PM
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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
They absolutely are. It's who you are. I think twins are a perfect example. Born minutes apart mostly, twins share the same birthday, the same womb, yet are their own seperate person. With two seperate minds, views and opinions. Someone may share the same birthday, birth time however your natal chart is your own. The location does affect the chart. The planet may stay the same sign but the degree, depending on the planet, does change. If I were born where I live now my ascendent would be different as well as the degree for several planets. That would change aspects, house positions. I would be different.
Valid points. I don't know why I forgot about peoples different life experiences. Of course that would be the biggest factor. IP: Logged |
starmoon
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posted January 07, 2015 12:41 PM
don't stress too much :-) remember that an astrology chart, especially a natal, is like a blueprint of opportunities. it's not a clear-cut map of how your life will go. it's possibilities. so, for example, if you and Angelina Jolie have every single planet and house and etc. in common and share the same birth date and time and hospital, it comes down to personal choices and opportunities that come your way. many people who share identical info. to a celeb will never be a celeb, because they are born into poverty, or in a third-world country, or etc. and do not have opportunites to be a star. could they be one? probably, if given the chance, because they share patterns. twins do make great studies because they are unique and often express that style outwardly for us all to see, and we see how similar their lives are when they are separated and contacted years later. you'll have oodles in common with people born on the exact day/time/place as you, but your experiences and what you do with your planets and placements will impact how you end up and what you make of yourself. IP: Logged |
shyberry
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From: camp flog gnaw
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posted January 07, 2015 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by Geminiyoungster:
*sidenote* You post some great topics shyberry!
OMG,shyberry I was just thinking the same thing today! I can not wait for the responses for this one!
I also wondered the same thing about numerology? like for instance,If somebody has your same name and birth date, does it mean that you and that person will have the same career path and vibration?
shhhh no i don't, geminiyoungster! i'm just a small town girl living in a lonely world :/ ah, numerology. the idea that many of us have the same life path (i assume everything points to spirituality) actually resonates with my belief system so i haven't stressed that. 
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shyberry
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posted January 07, 2015 12:43 PM
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Originally posted by starmoon:
don't stress too much :-) remember that an astrology chart, especially a natal, is like a blueprint of opportunities. it's not a clear-cut map of how your life will go. it's possibilities. so, for example, if you and Angelina Jolie have every single planet and house and etc. in common and share the same birth date and time and hospital, it comes down to personal choices and opportunities that come your way. many people who share identical info. to a celeb will never be a celeb, because they are born into poverty, or in a third-world country, or etc. and do not have opportunites to be a star. could they be one? probably, if given the chance, because they share patterns. twins do make great studies because they are unique and often express that style outwardly for us all to see, and we see how similar their lives are when they are separated and contacted years later. you'll have oodles in common with people born on the exact day/time/place as you, but your experiences and what you do with your planets and placements will impact how you end up and what you make of yourself.
AH, okay this was a great answer! I haven't slept yet which is probably why I stupidly failed to realize we can share a birth chart with someone, but our lives will still be different. It's like giving twins a car each, but their different life experiences will make them drive to different locations. (this was the best way I could put I'm sorry) IP: Logged |
Vajra
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posted January 07, 2015 12:44 PM
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Barbiegirl19
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posted January 07, 2015 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by shyberry:
Valid points. I don't know why I forgot about peoples different life experiences. Of course that would be the biggest factor.
Exactly. What starmoon said is also very true.
*Edit* Vajra made good points as well.
Astrology isn't bulletproof though. It's built on subjectivity. IP: Logged |
starmoon
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posted January 07, 2015 12:57 PM
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Originally posted by Vajra:
Take 10 people born with the same chart - can you see from the chart alone which one will be the most beautiful? Not possible, but there will be differences for sure.
excellent point. genetics play a role for sure in what opportunities someone gets, even romantic ones! IP: Logged |
fairaqua
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posted January 07, 2015 01:56 PM
I will agree with a previous poster about degrees and how much they can change the chart. 2 Aries moons might share some similar qualities, but break it down into a degrees and they will differ IP: Logged |
deepseablues
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posted January 07, 2015 02:35 PM
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Originally posted by shyberry:
So, I've seen a few articles and blogs where people say that our natal charts are unique and fit only to us, it's special, none other like it, etc. However, I got curious and decided to change the location of my birth place to see just how different my chart would be. I was born deep in the city and changed the location far up north near the ocean.Do you know what happened? Nothing. The house placements and the degrees didn't budge. Literally everything was the same. This is disappointing, but I've been thinking about it for awhile. Babies pop out everyday like water. That would mean a baby born in the same hospital (or even in the same area) at the same time (or born a minute before or after) would share your natal chart, right? Doesn't this also mean there are a lot of common folk out there who have possibly the same natal charts as big time celebrities, but never achieved any sort of recognition? I'm assuming there has to be more beyond astrology that dictates fame, success and so forth.
Any comments? I'm so confused.
Did the degrees of the ascendant change when you did this? Even a degree change in the ascendant can make a big difference and it changes within every 5 minutes. This can also take into account "astral twins." Linda Goodman touches on it and has a picture of astral twins in Gooberz, she was tested by Bill Snyders astral twin. Also that Sally's dead body was not the real Sally but one of her astral twins (her missing daughter). The black government is aware of astral twins and has used them to their own ends. Astral twins= people born at the same time, same place (same hospital), to different parents and in some cases, yes they do look exactly alike. It can be pretty astonishing to see. But it is pretty rare that two babies are born in the same hospital at the exact time. And like others have stated aspects and placements have multiple possibilities of manifestation and different people will manifest them differently. Free will and all that. I have tons of doppelgängers, lots of people have asked me upon meeting me if we met somewhere else or did I go to this school etc. I've even had people stop and talk to me and be like aren't you so and so's sister, we met at that dinner etc etc and look really confused when I tell them no I've never met them, sometimes they even look like they think I'm lying. It's kinda funny actually but also makes one feel generic. Last time it happened someone thought I was the person who gave them a free bike.
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Gemini30
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posted January 07, 2015 05:29 PM
I too have always wondered if people act very similar to others who were born the same day. Kind of like how identical twins behave in the same way. But how often do you come across someone who was born at the same time or same day as you? It's one of astrology's great mysteries! Speaking of this great thread, does anyone here share an exact birth date with a celebrity? Just wanted to know if you share similar qualities. I have a cousin born the same day as Miley Cyrus and i worry about her alot. IP: Logged |
Koho
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posted January 07, 2015 07:45 PM
Environment. You're influenced by the culture and people surrounding you. We have our natal charts, but that is not only us. I would say the natal chart of every person you've shared experiences with morph the manifestations of your chart. So your natal chart is not only you, but the chart of your loved ones are you to an extent because they influenced you. The chart of your culture and country is also you. We're all a little bit of everyone we meet and of our society. I always tell people if I saw my chart as a standalone I'd probably think the person was dangerous, or outrageously temperamental. I'm not. I grew up in a very loving and honorable environment and I believe it is the reason I express the more positive sides of my chart. (Numerologist would call it vibrations?) At the same time, I can also tell by knowing myself, and my chart, had I grown up in an abusive environment I would of been very likely to adapt in a not so good way. So if you like yourself go hug your momma and poppa and give a salute to that flag. It/they probably shaped you. The extent of that is unknowable to astrological tools and would take a near impossible level of intuitiveness to fathom.
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Dreaminess
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posted January 07, 2015 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by Geminiyoungster:
*sidenote* You post some great topics shyberry!
OMG,shyberry I was just thinking the same thing today! I can not wait for the responses for this one!
I also wondered the same thing about numerology? like for instance,If somebody has your same name and birth date, does it mean that you and that person will have the same career path and vibration?
No i dont think so. I have noticed more and more now that i think the life path only shows what you came to this earth to learn. For example, 1 life pathers were born to learn the value of independence and taking action, 4 life pathers were born to learn the value of organization and construction, 8 life pathers were born to know the value of hard work and patience (no short cuts for 8 peeps blame their ruling planet saturn for that, lol) and the list goes on etc. I think its more like people with the same life path might meet the same "learning/lessons" in life rather than ending up with similar careers etc, the same i think goes for the name. IP: Logged |
CupOfDavid
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posted January 08, 2015 12:44 AM
I thought birth places were to determine the time zone that you were born in.4:29 AM in one time zone is not the same as 4:29 AM in another time zone because the stars have had time to change, according to Universal Time. You'd notice changes in your chart if you changed your birth location to someplace half across the world. IP: Logged |
Gemini Blues
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From: The future... or the past. I get them confused...
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posted January 08, 2015 01:35 AM
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Originally posted by shyberry:
So, I've seen a few articles and blogs where people say that our natal charts are unique and fit only to us, it's special, none other like it, etc. However, I got curious and decided to change the location of my birth place to see just how different my chart would be. I was born deep in the city and changed the location far up north near the ocean.Do you know what happened? Nothing. ... Any comments? I'm so confused.
I did my chart for a town 10 miles south of my birth location and change sign for my ascendant from Scorpio back to Libra. I also did several of the places I grew up at, and had several planets change houses. The planets in sign and degree don't change, but the houses they work in do. IP: Logged |
next to neptune
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posted January 08, 2015 04:48 AM
I don't have a twin, but once I got the chance to talk with someone who was born the day before me, and because I was born only 20 minutes past midnight, it's kinda the same day we were born. So we shared every single placement, except probably the ascendant and house positions.
But it was really interesting to talk with this guy, we had so many things in common, and the way we were thinking was so much alike.
But we ofc had totally different lives, but I do think there was a lot of basic stuff about our personailities that was much the same...
If you gave us a 1000 questions of what we preferred out of some basic stuff, we would probably pick the same stuff in many many things...
So, anyways. Our completely identical natal chart we don't share with that many people, that would only be those born in the same area, the exact same time. Maybe that's still around 2-300 people, I don't know? But on a world basis of how many people are getting born everyday and will share most of the same placement and aspect, that's a LOT more.
And yeah if you take a celebrity like Angelina Jolie, then everyone born the exact same time as her back then, in the same area, could not turn out the same. Still I do believe that back then, not as many children were born everyday as today. For 50 years ago we were only 3-4 billion people, now 50 years later we are almost 7 billion. But I do think that it is just the environment and life experiences that makes the difference between people of the same natal charts... It's how people were raised, what they chose to do for a living, who they got as their friends/lovers etc. It's so many things, but basically I still think that people with the same natal charts have the same purpose in life, and as they grow older they will become even more and more alike and practically do the same stuff, just in different ways. IP: Logged |
Chris21
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posted January 08, 2015 06:59 AM
Multiple born at the same time with the same chart will most likely lead different lives, because everyone's different upbringing and environment would produce different circumstances and opportunities for them, probably totally different life styles and interests, but they'd probably have the same type of energies going on throughout shared transits . I don't think success and failure are guaranteed in any chart, they have their strengths and weaknesses, I think it's up to the individual to play it right and be smart IP: Logged |
starmoon
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posted January 08, 2015 08:37 AM
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Originally posted by CupOfDavid:
I thought birth places were to determine the time zone that you were born in.4:29 AM in one time zone is not the same as 4:29 AM in another time zone because the stars have had time to change, according to Universal Time. You'd notice changes in your chart if you changed your birth location to someplace half across the world.
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GemBird82
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posted January 08, 2015 05:58 PM
Yes, they are.  IP: Logged |
GemBird82
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posted January 08, 2015 06:00 PM
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Originally posted by Vajra
Take 10 people born with the same chart - can you see from the chart alone which one will be the most beautiful?
Maybe not from the chart alone, but from the numbers.
No chart has the same numbers as another. Those 10 people could also born in different places as: 2e20 48n52
118w28 33n59
80e17, 13n05 Which means different ASC, medium Coeli, Imum Coeli and DSC (numbers) - And if born in same place, there will still be a difference.
----------------- Also those 10 people, would have a different name.
A name is no other thing than numbers. Since the beginning of time all Gods named and also changed the name of their followers. So did Jehova,
Jesus Christ,
Allah,
Quetzalcoatl
Odin
Sumerian Gods
and maybe even the Indian Gods, (but I'm not sure). They not only named people, but places, among other things. Because when you name something, you give it a special kind of power.
---------------- I think that's one of the reasons why this forum has so many special sections as: Lexigram Magic
While the Soul Slumbers
Divine Diversities
or the Asteroid forum for those who... want(need?) to comprehend...  Just my half a cent.
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GemBird82
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posted January 08, 2015 07:11 PM
Oh!, and...Genetics and beholdings are shown in the natal. Just... ...in case... IP: Logged | |
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