posted January 07, 2015 11:29 PM            

I`ve read/heard this term thrown around alot these past few years. I`m concerned about it gaining more force during the time Saturn is in Sag.

There has been anti-immigration protests all over the west. Also the fact violent crimes are automatically more sensational when ethicnities or cultures aren`t 100% matched up with everyone involved in the incident.

While I have noted a hyper senstivity to `outsiders`outbreeding natives in most western countries, are the fears warranted in any degree?

To Western users: Do you think western culture would be/is so fragile that simply not having the majority would kill the culture all together?

Note: Many following this ideal are `white`. Hence a few say/feel their race/culture is being targeted to be, ironically enough, whitewashed.

posted January 08, 2015 02:37 AM            

But I used that phrase ("cultural Marxism") in quotes as I consider it a suspect term, but perhaps I've just had the bad luck to see it misused by the same people who like to spit out the word "socialism" (*) a lot without any understanding of what it actually is. And perhaps you mean something different by it...in any case I was very surprised to see you of all people use the term "cultural Marxism" which I consider a manipulative and loaded buzz word best discarded for rational and intelligent conversations and debate.

(*Just to prevent a misunderstanding, I don't see myself as a "socialist," however my Saturn conjunct Mercury in Libra on the Scorpio cusp, 3H at that loves to learn from as many sources as possible, absolutely detests the unclear use of language, and much more so when I consider it intentionally dishonest and manipulative--not to say you're being dishonest but you may be repeating those who are. Just because I have my beefs with socialism doesn't mean I give people a pass who use the term incorrectly in order to hate on it and turn it into yet another buzz word rather than an honest tool of communication.)

posted January 08, 2015 02:41 AM              

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Originally posted by SirHorns:
Have you heard/read about this ideaology before? Basically the jist is that instead of elimination of economic classes, instead you wipeout everything a culture has to indentify itself, forcing everyone into a bland sameness.

I`ve read/heard this term thrown around alot these past few years. I`m concerned about it gaining more force during the time Saturn is in Sag.

There has been anti-immigration protests all over the west. Also the fact violent crimes are automatically more sensational when ethicnities or cultures aren`t 100% matched up with everyone involved in the incident.

While I have noted a hyper senstivity to `outsiders`outbreeding natives in most western countries, are the fears warranted in any degree?

To Western users: Do you think western culture would be/is so fragile that simply not having the majority would kill the culture all together?

Note: Many following this ideal are `white`. Hence a few say/feel their race/culture is being targeted to be, ironically enough, whitewashed.

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Yes I have. It is most definitely happening, except for your "Note". That part is wrong.
It is the other way round.
It's all the "white" nations which are being targeted.. by being deliberately flooded with hordes of immigrants to destroy national unity & the existing culture, cause internal conflict because of basic incompatibility, make it even harder for the existing citizens to find jobs, as well as driving wages down etc etc
(white people are only a small minority in the world today, and decreasing because the birth rate is very low)
A longterm expected goal is to extinguish the white race altogether.

posted January 08, 2015 05:39 AM            

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Originally posted by SirHorns:
Have you heard/read about this ideaology before? Basically the jist is that instead of elimination of economic classes, instead you wipeout everything a culture has to indentify itself, forcing everyone into a bland sameness.

I`ve read/heard this term thrown around alot these past few years. I`m concerned about it gaining more force during the time Saturn is in Sag.

There has been anti-immigration protests all over the west. Also the fact violent crimes are automatically more sensational when ethicnities or cultures aren`t 100% matched up with everyone involved in the incident.

While I have noted a hyper senstivity to `outsiders`outbreeding natives in most western countries, are the fears warranted in any degree?

To Western users: Do you think western culture would be/is so fragile that simply not having the majority would kill the culture all together?

Note: Many following this ideal are `white`. Hence a few say/feel their race/culture is being targeted to be, ironically enough, whitewashed.

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It's a problem in Europe - I know France has deep issues that are complicated. In the uk, where I'm from, there are a lot of anti-immigration things coming to the fore and the media - including the BBC which at least used to be quasi-autonomous - is presenting a very disturbing reality.

I personally think the press has distorted the issue of austerity measures so that rather than questioning policy that benefits the rich, people scapegoat others. Austerity is socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor but this is offset by messages there isn't enough money for people. I used to think this was an inherent nature of the media - that it's need to summarise and in a sensational manner led to the distortion and generally favouring the ruling classes. But the press here has taken a very sinister turn in completely obfuscating what is going on economically - that austerity is used to justify poor job choices and push people into contracts which favour enormously the rich. For example, privately owned homes for the sick and healthy which literally harvests those with poor job choices, pays them barely anything and can call them at all hours to work with no rights - these are often owned by people with political power. Basically there's a workforce treated like cattle and it serves those in power to have (apparent) economic depression - there's been no better time to be wealthy.

So in the sense of the government treating people as some bland workforce entity whilst the press have set up some odd imbalanced platform focusing on the ukip leader (anti-immigration) I think that's going on.

Cultural Marxism as a term does sound quite dangerous - I wouldn't have even noticed if pixie hadn't pointed it out. Like potentially delivering a nazi viewpoint (fear of a culture being wiped out), assigning it to socialism although as per my views above benefiting a capitalist wealthy class. I don't think you meant it that way either.

That actually helps me understand the weird focus on the ukip party in my country - as I think that's what's going on in summary. Prejudiced views delivered, socialism blamed (for its policy on immigration which is blamed for apparent economic depression) and the capitalist right wing are benefiting from those circumstances. That's exactly what's going on with this focus on ukip. Didn't understand why the BBC were doing that when all signs are they are influenced by and in favour of the conservative government.

posted January 08, 2015 05:57 AM            

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Originally posted by florence:

Cultural Marxism as a term does sound quite dangerous - I wouldn't have even noticed if pixie hadn't pointed it out. Like potentially delivering a nazi viewpoint (fear of a culture being wiped out), assigning it to socialism although as per my views above benefiting a capitalist wealthy class. I don't think you meant it that way either.

Astrology: Didn't think of Saturn in sag contributing to this but it sounds an interesting idea. Jupiter and Saturn traditionally a collision of two cultures with different ideas/power things going on - is it seems to bring a sense of disaster with it

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True. I don't support the idea. I find it concerning for many reasons.

I do wonder what other aspects could exacerbate this mindset.

posted January 08, 2015 06:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries Eagle:
I associate Marxism with Earth signs.

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posted January 08, 2015 09:20 AM            

I mean, I dont want people do divide because of skin color or cultural differences, on the contrary.
I LOVE different cultures.
I love to watch family and friends interact. I like to see how they celebrate, what they eat, how they talk, where they live (or use to live). I want to learn and know.

posted January 08, 2015 11:19 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
I don't understand why you connect Saturn in Sag to so-called "cultural Marxism." Now maybe Uranus AND Neptune in Sag might promote something like what you fear...

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Well I would say the OP associates Saturn in Sag with Cultural Marxism because Saturn is restriction and Sagittarius rules foreign lands and cultures. If we put that together, we get the idea of restricting outer influence, which is what Cultural Marxism basically is, or at least that's how it was described above. It's simple and straight to the point.

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posted January 08, 2015 11:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Solar_Leo_Queen:
Well I would say the OP associates Saturn in Sag with Cultural Marxism because Saturn is restriction and Sagittarius rules foreign lands and cultures. If we put that together, we get the idea of restricting outer influence, which is what Cultural Marxism basically is, or at least that's how it was described above. It's simple and straight to the point.

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posted January 08, 2015 05:08 PM            

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Originally posted by fairaqua:

But is Saturn not also teacher?

I sometimes see him as a teacher walking around the school room tapping a ruler in his hand

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posted January 08, 2015 06:46 PM            

That makes sense...but I have to disagree on Saturn being such a jerk, I just see him as very strict and grim yet fair (Saturn in Libra for me). Saturn plays a major part of my chart and I don't feel restricted or oppressed...well, save maybe from those in the US who like to use the phrase "cultural Marxism" in which they use to describe any force--including American--that seeks to prevent them from making everyone the same, but I've often laughed them off. Saturn tested me with them, I won, and Saturn nods grimly to me and lets me have the prize. (But having such a powerful Saturn in my chart probably makes it that I expect certain inconveniences in life that I deal with while others whine over the same things saying it isn't fair.)

posted January 08, 2015 07:36 PM            

I've seen cultural marxism thrown around so often, I linked it to xenophobia due to it's believers usually being anti-immigration And anti-race mixing.

With how they admit the 'white' numbers are going down, while 'colors' numbers are rising, it seems odd they trust their goverments, who`s corperations profit off cheap labor, to stop it and have thier backs.

Granted they claim western goverments are just a leftist/marxist/communist cesspool out to destory their own countries. So yeah...pray circle for them.

Saturn in Sag has also marked religious changes. Perhaps a few older ones will get the image change they need or maybe all the religious people will be thrown in jail as a preemptive stike against 'terror`'?

Or, and I`m super hopeful here, the people unite and get into power people who actually care more about them and the world over their own pockets?

Will laugh if they`re bitcoin funded.

posted January 08, 2015 07:53 PM            

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To Western users: Do you think western culture would be/is so fragile that simply not having the majority would kill the culture all together?

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This isn't the first time Saturn has transited Sagittarius. And, Greek culture survived 500 years of Muslim rule. Hebrew as a language was literally resurrected from the dead. Literally.

The real question is, can Muslim culture and values, whatever we may think of 'em, survive western domination?

posted January 12, 2015 12:52 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
I came across this and thought it was worth sharing...while not specifically about this topic there's a lot said that can apply:
http://www.cafeastrology.com/saturninsagittariustransit.html

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