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ilunatique
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posted January 08, 2015 04:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ilunatique     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Add to this a square to NEPTUNE in Pisces as MARS is slowly making his way to join the party.


Twelve people died yesterday from a terrorist attack in France and a few more are in critical condition because they drew satirical comics concerning religion- Islam.
Yes, satire can be rough, satire can be ugly, it has been here for ages, but that doesn't mean its a direct attack to your faith. This is self expression. Nobody gets hurt, right? No.

Saturn (or you can call it satire in this case) is cold, he's the HARD REALITY you have to ACTUALLY face, structure and the authorities who control structures. He challenges your faith, puts pressure on you, until you break or manage to carry on. Did we carry on yesterday in Paris? No.

Meanwhilr, neptune represents unseen reality; Godly authority and dissolution of barriers between ourselves and unseen spiritual forces. Very different functions, right? The square between the two causes a lot of friction over what exactly “reality” even is, our opinions and experience of it and the sources of our knowledge on these subjects.

Saturn in Sag has a strong adherence to certain principles and ideology; Neptune in Pisces will be working to make sure that our principles are open hearted and inclusive, that we are really seeing the big picture with an open heart.
Yes?
No, we don't.
Those who have a stubborn, rigid belief system concerning spirituality, such as islam, will have a much harder time coping with this dance. So what do we have to do? Kill! War! My reality is the real one!

Thinking about it, Saturn in sag makes for the vocal know-it-all individuals to move front and center too.
There will be no shortage of people on this faith subject which will get up and claim to be fighting for what’s right.

Today, an explosion happened in a kebab restaurant near a mosque which is of course, surely lead by eastern people. Here is the answer to whatever happened yesterday: keep on fighting for your own faith and reality no matter what. Not okay.

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MineAgain
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posted January 08, 2015 05:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MineAgain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not quite sure this attack has something to do with planet placements. It's a serious terrorist attack, the first in 50 years.

I'm also a French national and it definitely hits home. Racial tensions have been rampant in France for the past few years. This attack is a representation of what has been going on under the surface. I can't even begin to describe the pain I felt when I heard about this tragedy, especially after seeing this cop getting shot on the street.

Freedom of speech is an essential right, however this magazine has been under terrorists' scrutiny for years now. They had been threatened many times in the past. It's very sad that religious fanatics decide to take matters into their own hands when freedom of speech is an essential right in today's society.

If you don't like what the magazine has to say, don't read it or buy it. If you find it offensive, then boycott it. Charlie Hebdo has always been regarded as "controversial" and therefore bound to get some harsh criticism but their stance does not justify such attack.

These religious fanatics have no real sense boundaries. It's not called defying authority, it's a criminal act meant to instill fear in the French society. Fear of talking about this religious community. This fear gives a certain "leverage" to these terrorists. They use religion as an instrument to kill people and therefore shouldn't be regarded as "Muslims". Devouts don't kill people because of a silly caricature.

You'd think in 2015 people would have the ability to understand and distinguish the wrong from the right. Their so-called "devotion" to religion drove them to commit the most tragic act which affected an entire nation. These people will hopefully pay for their crime. Killing innocent people is not the answer. I genuinely hope this attack won't intensify religious and racial tensions in France.

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ilunatique
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posted January 08, 2015 06:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ilunatique     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Meanwhile,
3 grenades for military exercises throwed at a mosque in Mans,

Two gunshots in a musulman praying building in port-la-nouvelle

The kebab place explosion in Lyon.

It's not about defying authority, its about blindly fighting for whatever reality you think is true (or faith, or God) when you actually have to wake up and realize that its not ok

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posted January 08, 2015 09:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ilunatique, I'm so glad to see you're okay.

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ilunatique
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posted January 08, 2015 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ilunatique     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Aries23Degrees
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posted January 09, 2015 03:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I worry about the acts of few extremists now painting the whole religion which they happen to fall under, in a suspicious and highly polarizing light

We have seen this many times before. And many people try and justify the retaliation of racism by others with the "but you know what they are like" umbrella.


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MineAgain
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posted January 09, 2015 04:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MineAgain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This may sound a little off topic but I've never been a die hard patriot before all of this happened. These tragedies significantly strengthened my love for my (home) country.

I'm proud to see that no matter where French citizens are, we're all united to face these barbaric events and fight for our freedoms.

I really admire the French system for actively seeking justice and chasing these two barbarians.

As a fellow global citizen, I appreciate the support France has gotten from other countries.

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Southern Sun
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posted January 09, 2015 08:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Southern Sun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Add this with groups like Pegida growing, and you have one hell of a mess coming with this square.

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ilunatique
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posted January 10, 2015 04:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ilunatique     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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