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Plutonian_Gal8
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posted January 10, 2015 08:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plutonian_Gal8     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First, no I am not posting a chart. Secondly, though I haven't cared for "guessing the Asc forums", upon figuring out my own Asc and reading over the said forums, it's recently intrigued me. Bottom line!


I've circulated my charts on LL for some time now on various boards, so a few of you may already know my Sun and Moon sign. However, what do you see when you look at this photo? What jumps out? As of late it has been such an AMAZING experience solidifying my correct Asc. I'm in total awe about what I've discovered over the past few weeks. So here's a photo of me. 90% of the time I don't smile in photos but I'll post a photo of my smile shortly.


Do you see my Sun, my Moon and what's your "guess" on the Asc?

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posted January 10, 2015 09:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Most likely you have cardinal Asc sign. Next in line would be a mutable one. More remote possibility of Moon or planet of mutability aligned with your Asc (by angular aspect).

... not having looked at your chart.

Where do you have your chart?

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posted January 10, 2015 09:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Setting up two tabs so I can comment while looking at your picture...

Specifically, your basically oval-shaped face and small rounded chin point to Libra, Cancer or perhaps Pisces. However, based on what else is in your chart, Even Aries is possible, particularly seeing your full cheek bones.

I'm not getting a read on your eyes. ust that it makes Pisces less likely in my view. That can be where the real energy shows, which is most often a combination of sun-moon-asc, but can give clues to the Asc.

Pictures are tricky. When doing someone's chart for a full rectification/validation I ask for numerous pictures, even video to be sure I'm seeing everything.

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posted January 10, 2015 09:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plutonian_Gal8     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kannon McAfee

I will absolutely answer your q's and provide my chart in a bit. As you can tell, my countenance varies quite a bit so I can understand why the "guessing" avenues are puzzling. One truth about me, is the love of changing hair styles and accessories. However, I'm not a fan of makeup and I don't dress flashy; fairly conservative dress (plain even) I will say, Cardinal Asc rings true IMO


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posted January 10, 2015 09:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plutonian_Gal8     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 10, 2015 09:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pluto conj the ASC

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posted January 10, 2015 10:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plutonian_Gal8     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Pluto conj the ASC


Oh gosh Ami!!!! that would put me right back in the Scorpio Asc boat I believe.

And, I just wrote a response to your Saturn on the MC thread. I remember reading that, the career positions I gravitate towards would ALSO cater to Pluto in the 1st House person. I'm back and forth between these two Asc's still *sigh*

EDIT: Though, Pluto would conjunct the ASC from the 12H

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posted January 10, 2015 11:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plutonian_Gal8     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Via family, I was given the narrow window of "just after midnight" initially. Things didn't add up for me until recently. My Saturn Return made me jump back in to investigating. Another talk, has widened my window to "definitely before the sun came up" on 2/7/84. So I know I was born at night, and I'm 100% comfortable with this information. Through considerable process of elimination/studying, I've focused on the following Ascs.


Not being a seasoned student of Astrology, of course has me at many points of requisitioning. Looking at my planets you can see, I am naturally very Saturn and Pluto influenced. So I'm oddly placed in a window of time where my Chart rulers could be the very same Capricorn or Scorpio Asc There are so many parallels here, that I know I may have no choice but to make sure I see a professional Astrologer to concretely secure my Ascendant.



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posted January 10, 2015 11:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plutonian_Gal8     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And, I have to add…


* Yes, I have thoroughly examined House Cusps meanings [signs and the energy they give to the houses]

* Yes, I have read through tons of placements within all houses, and cross analyzed them with my actions

* Yes, I have examined house rulers in correlation with my planets and past experiences

* Yes I've written out the most poignant experiences of my life via transits and progressions

* Yes, I have focused on AC/DC IC/MC axis with the important dates


Again, though I am not totally experienced, I've followed a great deal of the blueprint used to aid in nailing my birth time. I've enjoyed every bit of it!

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posted January 11, 2015 12:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm willing to take a look at your chart situation and give you feedback if you will e-mail me your full birth data. I can keep it in confidence if you like.

kannonmcafee at gmail dot com


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posted January 11, 2015 04:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plutonian_Gal8     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
I'm willing to take a look at your chart situation and give you feedback if you will e-mail me your full birth data. I can keep it in confidence if you like.

kannonmcafee at gmail dot com


Thank you very much, I'm sending the email now. Very appreciative!

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posted January 11, 2015 05:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LucieLemonade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Have you thoroughly investigated Saturn? I though we were happy that your Saturn was about work issues?

I could see that as it puts Venus on the ASC and you are gorgeous! Plus it put Sun in 1st and you are thinking a lot about YOU and who you are, who you want to be. This could work!

You maybe looking at too much as once. Now that you've thought about Saturn in 10. Think hard about your moon.

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posted January 11, 2015 05:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plutonian_Gal8     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LucieLemonde


Thank you SO much for your wisdom and the compliment! And you manage to put to the point feedback out there for me every time; yes I have been avidly analyzing the Cap Asc but more so my natal Saturn. It's been quite tricky b/c with that Scorpio Asc notion, that'd put Saturn conjunct there which could equally of course exude the Capricorn Asc vibe.


You are ABSOLUTELY right! I am looking at a whole lot at once


I chose a few serious events from my past and did a side by side analysis of transits/progressions. I strongly feel Capricorn is still the more probable choice. I decided to post photos this time, to see if any persons would care to aid in this venture. Frankly, I just really don't want to be wrong though my gut tells me, this new one is THEE one.

I love your idea about my MOON. You keep giving me great ammo to think in a more simplistic fashion. I thank you!!

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posted January 11, 2015 06:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lol I thought cap or scorpio ascendant before I read the thread, but that was also build upon your text in the topic... I mean, you said that 90% of the time you don't smile in pictures, that's so capricorn!
Yet, the shape of your eyes are a little cat-like and it's very magnetic eyes, so I totally go for scorpio ascendant!!! My best guess is scorpio ascendant, and if it's not right, then I seriously don't know..

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posted January 11, 2015 06:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can eadily make some questions for you to answer, that might help you determine your house positions:

Do you find your love-life to be somewhat secretive, like have you ever kept a lover hidden, or have you ever loved someone and never told anyone, or do you just find that your love life is complicated, or not anything you actually want to share with anyone? (this could all be traits for venus in 12th)

Do you think alot about your "roots?" your childhood and how you'r upbringing have affected the person you are today? Do you find yourself thinking a lot about the past, or thinking about certain events from your childhood? Do you have a wish of making a family, or just making a home that you feel comfortable in? And do you find yourself thinking alot about your home-environment, how comfortable you feel at home, or anywhere you go? This is typically traits for Sun in 4th house (I have this placement myself)

Do you sometimes think that you are really born under a lucky star, because you got saved by the bell or got some help when you needed it most and everything else have failed? Do you sometimes feel that in the very last second before everything seems to go wrong, you somehow find a way to escape or you get some help that seem so unlikely you almost start to believe in the supernatural lol? This is typically Jupiter in 12th house traits, and I have this placement myself also! You wouldn't be in any doubt if you have this placement, cause if you ever found yourself in any life-threatening or potentially very dangerous situation and you somehow miraculously got out alive, you will have jupiter in 12th house!!! Also, do you feel sometimes you want to make volunteer work, or help others in need, maybe travel abroad because you feel some strange need to be more in touch with your spiritual side or to help others?

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posted January 11, 2015 08:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aww P


My thought is just a strong Pluto conj the ASC or 1st House.

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posted January 11, 2015 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plutonian_Gal8     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Next to Neptune, I love the way you write! And I really love the whole Neptunian vibe, period.


Do you find your love-life to be somewhat secretive, like have you ever kept a lover hidden, or have you ever loved someone and never told anyone, or do you just find that your love life is complicated, or not anything you actually want to share with anyone? (this could all be traits for venus in 12th)


My love life is very secretive. I don't put that aspect of my life on display at all. I don't even do it with my children that much neither. I don't like showing my vulnerability to the world. I've been on the end of an affair 2x in my past. I've felt strongly for 2 guys at once very recently as well. I can't even say it was love for the other guy, but just a unique kind of connection and thus it was absolutely complicated. I think that guys REALLY into me still but he just can not articulate it. He has 3 planets in his own 12H.

Do you think alot about your "roots?" your childhood and how you'r upbringing have affected the person you are today? Do you find yourself thinking a lot about the past, or thinking about certain events from your childhood? Do you have a wish of making a family, or just making a home that you feel comfortable in? And do you find yourself thinking alot about your home-environment, how comfortable you feel at home, or anywhere you go? This is typically traits for Sun in 4th house (I have this placement myself)


Here is a point of confusion, so it's interesting you pointed this out!! Everything you've written here, is how I feel and what I try to cope with. This is my constant. I treat my home like my sanctuary. I strive to make it everything, I've never experienced in my past. I lived in isolation and there was family contention, division and unfortunately skeletons. So there is an ongoing hurt. This makes me take my home environment very seriously. So, upon looking at the Capricorn Rising chart, I saw that ugly Chiron situated there and this hit the switch to keep considering this chart. Having Taurus on the cusp also sort of amplified it; I treat my home in a Venusian way with scents, music all the time, and a stubbornness that I won't even expound on lol


Do you sometimes think that you are really born under a lucky star, because you got saved by the bell or got some help when you needed it most and everything else have failed? Do you sometimes feel that in the very last second before everything seems to go wrong, you somehow find a way to escape or you get some help that seem so unlikely you almost start to believe in the supernatural lol? This is typically Jupiter in 12th house traits, and I have this placement myself also! You wouldn't be in any doubt if you have this placement, cause if you ever found yourself in any life-threatening or potentially very dangerous situation and you somehow miraculously got out alive, you will have jupiter in 12th house!!! Also, do you feel sometimes you want to make volunteer work, or help others in need, maybe travel abroad because you feel some strange need to be more in touch with your spiritual side or to help others?


Ohhhhh yeah. I mean I've placed myself in situations that could have been life-threatening, in hindsight. I'm not in the most fulfilling position, but I have support and love from people who don't mind carrying me along. It's hard to accept the generosity I receive because I love to give, and I strongly desire to make an impressionable legacy in life. But at every turn, I do have help. And to travel abroad I've thought about Red Cross and Peace Corp time and time again. Natural disasters wiping out humanity left and right, hurts my soul. So I have a strong longing to get out there and be of aid. Actually, I don't mind just donating money, if I can't be there in presence. Frankly my attachment to home and solitude hampers me from going out there and doing it! Spirituality is a BIG deal to me now. Not so much a channeled religion (no) just a connection to nature and my spirit. I feel so unlike many persons around me. And it's odd in a sense, because many many people would never really know these are the longings of my heart. *ok, I just dropped tears*

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posted January 11, 2015 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plutonian_Gal8     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by next to neptune:
lol I thought cap or scorpio ascendant before I read the thread, but that was also build upon your text in the topic... I mean, you said that 90% of the time you don't smile in pictures, that's so capricorn!
Yet, the shape of your eyes are a little cat-like and it's very magnetic eyes, so I totally go for scorpio ascendant!!! My best guess is scorpio ascendant, and if it's not right, then I seriously don't know..


Hence, the ongoing see-saw I'm on amongst these two Rising signs. Because again, I have a weighty Saturn/Pluto thing as is. Both exude very similar energy smh Yeah I've been so ok with the Scorpio Asc…but something about my transits made me go, hmmm? I truly never paid proper attention to my transits and how they just haven't really added up with my chart…

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posted January 11, 2015 12:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lisalisa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm a scorpio rising 3 degree with pluto conjunct on 5 degrees

I've had saturn transiting my 1st house for the pas 2 years, it transformed me in total, it's impressive
If you would have scorpio rising with similar degrees you would've noticed a drastic change in your appearance, the way you dress the way you present yourself, feeling like you've finally found out who you really are and not care too much to 'fit in' but desire to follow your own path.. Basically totally reformed yourself for the last 2 years.. Especially scorpio rising would have the 'power' to transform hence the pluto ruling planet..

You also can look at what for you changed or was a 'theme' for the last 2 years restructuring, then you can figure out what house placement scorpio is for you..

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posted January 11, 2015 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plutonian_Gal8     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by lisalisa:
I'm a scorpio rising 3 degree with pluto conjunct on 5 degrees

I've had saturn transiting my 1st house for the pas 2 years, it transformed me in total, it's impressive
If you would have scorpio rising with similar degrees you would've noticed a drastic change in your appearance, the way you dress the way you present yourself, feeling like you've finally found out who you really are and not care too much to 'fit in' but desire to follow your own path.. Basically totally reformed yourself for the last 2 years.. Especially scorpio rising would have the 'power' to transform hence the pluto ruling planet..

You also can look at what for you changed or was a 'theme' for the last 2 years restructuring, then you can figure out what house placement scorpio is for you..



Thank you for your input LisaLisa. This is exactly why I questioned my chart, this didn't add up for me. I've actually gained a lot of weight. There wasn't a key transformation in my self image. My appearance hasn't been a focal point at all. There has been total fixation about, my mark in the world. Career. Influence. Making the more authentic, and respectful approach to society. Making sure I try much harder to temper my need for "power" in the work environment, and having a much more matured approach as a subordinate, wherever I may land career-wise. For years, I've secretly set out to show certain superiors, they didn't have my respect. Especially if they truly did not deserve it, to me their position in the work force was easily overlooked so I challenged them. I'm not ok with that approach anymore. In the end, I get screwed. Getting fired showed me, clearly they held the power in the end. Mud on my face.

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posted January 11, 2015 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LucieLemonade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sweetie... CAP rising!

From this thread and the last one, you have Venus in 12th conj ASC and Sun in 1st and Saturn in the 10th!

I'm sure of it!!!

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posted January 11, 2015 04:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plutonian_Gal8     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
Sweetie... CAP rising!

From this thread and the last one, you have Venus in 12th conj ASC and Sun in 1st and Saturn in the 10th!

I'm sure of it!!!


Glad to see you agree with me! Makes me feel pretty proud I dug deep into righting the wrong Asc!! I'm truly convinced (stubborn even) this is me. Thanks dear!

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posted January 11, 2015 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Plutonian_Gal8:
Glad to see you agree with me! Makes me feel pretty proud I dug deep into righting the wrong Asc!! I'm truly convinced (stubborn even) this is me. Thanks dear!


Hmm when I looked at your chart again, I also find it interesting that no matter if you have cap or scorpio rising, your ruling planet will be in scorpio. So no matter what, you must be pretty scorpio-influenced actually.

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posted January 11, 2015 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plutonian_Gal8     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hmm when I looked at your chart again, I also find it interesting that no matter if you have cap or scorpio rising, your ruling planet will be in scorpio. So no matter what, you must be pretty scorpio-influenced actually.


YES!!! Isn't that something?! lol That's why my overly "serious" chart resonates both Saturn and Pluto so well, no matter how you slice it. You'll get that Plutonian pull in my presence for a few reasons.

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posted January 12, 2015 09:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LucieLemonade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by lisalisa:
I'm a scorpio rising 3 degree with pluto conjunct on 5 degrees

I've had saturn transiting my 1st house for the pas 2 years, it transformed me in total, it's impressive
If you would have scorpio rising with similar degrees you would've noticed a drastic change in your appearance, the way you dress the way you present yourself, feeling like you've finally found out who you really are and not care too much to 'fit in' but desire to follow your own path.. Basically totally reformed yourself for the last 2 years.. Especially scorpio rising would have the 'power' to transform hence the pluto ruling planet..

You also can look at what for you changed or was a 'theme' for the last 2 years restructuring, then you can figure out what house placement scorpio is for you..


Interesting... I'm a Scorpio rising with Saturn having gone through 12 and now into 1. I've lost over 25 lbs in the last two years and had to buy a whole new wardrobe. Although I've never really cared to fit it.

Though my life is completely upside down now and I'm trying to figure out who I really am and what I really want. It really is now about ME and my own independence.

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