posted January 13, 2015 05:46 PM            

I have venus, pluto and a bunch of asteroids in my 5th house, but my 11th house is intercepted.
I've always been curious about these 2 houses. I feel that people with major 11th house influence, get a lot of attention "naturally", from people, and in general they are well-liked. They make friends easily, and they got something "special" about them, something that just draw peoples attention.

But can you say that it's the opposite with 5th housers? I feel we have to do something "extraordinary" to get the attention we fully crave. Major 5th house influenced people I feel need to get recognition for their creative or entertaining abilities, but it is not something that just comes naturally to them, as for 11th house people?
And 5th house people is not generally liked? Are they actually downright not-liked in opposition to 11th house people?

posted January 13, 2015 06:23 PM            

My daughter has Mercury, Venus, Sun in Cap 5th.

Of all of my children, she and I have the most similar attitude socially. She is easy going, loves to laugh, and is super easy to get along with. She thinks my pranks are funny while the other children might think my pranks are immature or irresponsible. People love her. She is just attractive in every way. She's a major flirt and I don't even think she knows what it means to flirt. It just comes naturally to her when she likes someone. She is usually confident, but once in a while I am surprised by her negative attitude and lack of confidence. She can be a little mean and selfish, but so can I.

posted January 13, 2015 06:45 PM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
I have Venus/Cancer and Mars/Gemini in 11th.

My daughter has Mercury, Venus, Sun in Cap 5th.

Of all of my children, she and I have the most similar attitude socially. She is easy going, loves to laugh, and is super easy to get along with. She thinks my pranks are funny while the other children might think my pranks are immature or irresponsible. People love her. She is just attractive in every way. She's a major flirt and I don't even think she knows what it means to flirt. It just comes naturally to her when she likes someone. She is usually confident, but once in a while I am surprised by her negative attitude and lack of confidence. She can be a little mean and selfish, but so can I.

I don't really see a huge difference, but these are my non-professional observations.

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posted January 13, 2015 10:23 PM            

I have all my life been in the middle of everything. I have mothered my friends. I have wanted to belong to a group of same purpose and push us along. I have also wanted to be in the spotlight but when I have gotten it I have become shy (Leo Saturn). I LOVE to dance and I LOVE arts of all kinds. In a way I am much like a Leo moon (moon in 5H) but when things go wrong or if I become too emotional the Capricorn/Saturn side takes over and I become colder than ice and extremely inaccessible.

posted January 14, 2015 12:07 AM            

I have Sun, Moon, Mercury and Venus in the 11th house. I don't know what asteroids are there at all. I get along with people easily, on a superficial level, but I wouldn't say I draw an excessive amount of attention to myself unless I want to, but that must be the Aries influence - my terms, when *I* say so.

posted January 14, 2015 12:16 AM            

The 5H represents internal. The 11H is external. You're trying to equate both on external terms, and it just doesn't work like that.

The 5H represents what we find fun and entertaining. The things and people we like, the place we relax and let loose, how we lose our qualms and take risks, as well as how we romance the things in life (whether it be food, games, people). It's an incredibly selfish house, driven by self-centric desires.

The 11H represents our place in the world. It is how the world receives us, how it adapts to and assimilates our presence, it is our place in the group. This is how we try and "fit in", the things we are willing to do for others, and how they will reciprocate our efforts. It is the results of our hard work and the rewards we reap. This is a selfless house, an erasure of Self and a change into "Us".

The 5H is a personal house, and you cannot expect anyone else to really understand it. By contrast, the 11H is on display, and while people may misinterpret it too, it's on terms they can contribute and play a hand in.

posted January 14, 2015 02:31 AM            

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Originally posted by Blind writer:
It isn't so cut and dry as "this is the opposite of that".

The 5H represents internal. The 11H is external. You're trying to equate both on external terms, and it just doesn't work like that.

The 5H represents what we find fun and entertaining. The things and people we like, the place we relax and let loose, how we lose our qualms and take risks, as well as how we romance the things in life (whether it be food, games, people). It's an incredibly selfish house, driven by self-centric desires.

The 11H represents our place in the world. It is how the world receives us, how it adapts to and assimilates our presence, it is our place in the group. This is how we try and "fit in", the things we are willing to do for others, and how they will reciprocate our efforts. It is the results of our hard work and the rewards we reap. This is a selfless house, an erasure of Self and a change into "Us".

The 5H is a personal house, and you cannot expect anyone else to really understand it. By contrast, the 11H is on display, and while people may misinterpret it too, it's on terms they can contribute and play a hand in.

When it comes to "popularity", both houses play a role. The strong 5H natives are drama queens and kings, but they stand firm in their paths, which a lot of people can admire. Their relationships are strong and vibrant, and they make people feel special. The strong 11H natives are usually very relatable, and easy to become attached to. It's harder to be in a close relationship though, as they tend to treat everyone distantly.

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posted January 14, 2015 10:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Blind writer:
It isn't so cut and dry as "this is the opposite of that".

The 5H represents internal. The 11H is external. You're trying to equate both on external terms, and it just doesn't work like that.

The 5H represents what we find fun and entertaining. The things and people we like, the place we relax and let loose, how we lose our qualms and take risks, as well as how we romance the things in life (whether it be food, games, people). It's an incredibly selfish house, driven by self-centric desires.

The 11H represents our place in the world. It is how the world receives us, how it adapts to and assimilates our presence, it is our place in the group. This is how we try and "fit in", the things we are willing to do for others, and how they will reciprocate our efforts. It is the results of our hard work and the rewards we reap. This is a selfless house, an erasure of Self and a change into "Us".

The 5H is a personal house, and you cannot expect anyone else to really understand it. By contrast, the 11H is on display, and while people may misinterpret it too, it's on terms they can contribute and play a hand in.

When it comes to "popularity", both houses play a role. The strong 5H natives are drama queens and kings, but they stand firm in their paths, which a lot of people can admire. Their relationships are strong and vibrant, and they make people feel special. The strong 11H natives are usually very relatable, and easy to become attached to. It's harder to be in a close relationship though, as they tend to treat everyone distantly.

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Love what you said!

posted January 14, 2015 10:29 AM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:

Love what you said!

But I'm curious how 5th house people treat others warmly vs. the 11th house? I agree but I need an example to associate with it so I can think on the differences or similarities more.

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A 5H native would treat the person preciously, because "mine, my preciousssss, MY friend". An 11H native is more along the lines of "take a number, we're all friends here, so everyone gets equal share".

To be more specific, showing preference is against the idealism of the 11H, which values equality for all. It goes against their aesthetics, and will fuel tremendous guilty pangs when they do show or feel favoritism. "Everyone is welcome here."

posted January 14, 2015 11:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Blind writer:
A 5H native would treat the person preciously, because "mine, my preciousssss, MY friend". An 11H native is more along the lines of "take a number, we're all friends here, so everyone gets equal share".

To be more specific, showing preference is against the idealism of the 11H, which values equality for all. It goes against their aesthetics, and will fuel tremendous guilty pangs when they do show or feel favoritism. "Everyone is welcome here."

Meanwhile, the 5H has no qualms about being picky, and when you are a friend to a 5H native, then you belong to their chosen set of Crown Jewels, and are treated as such. "You are part of my favorite things."

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posted January 14, 2015 11:13 AM            

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Originally posted by next to neptune:
So is she generally liked socially? Does she crave any attention from others? Does she got a special creative hobby (anyways this would be a good idea for any 5th house influenced person! Let their creativity unfold itself!!)

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Yes. She is very creative. She is an amazing sketch artist. But this is where her insecurities come into play. This is where she wants recognition very badly, and is very self critical. This is difficult for me to understand. Everything I do creatively I do for release. I do it to take the pressure off, not to add more pressure and stress...

posted January 14, 2015 12:39 PM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
Yes. She is very creative. She is an amazing sketch artist. But this is where her insecurities come into play. This is where she wants recognition very badly, and is very self critical. This is difficult for me to understand. Everything I do creatively I do for release. I do it to take the pressure off, not to add more pressure and stress...

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