posted January 20, 2015 04:09 AM            

I also have neptune sq mercury

posted January 20, 2015 01:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Blind writer:
The sign that values truth and honesty the most is Sagittarius, so placements there and/or strong 9H presence or a strong 9R may contribute.

On the flip side, Scorpio is all about manipulation, while Pisces represents the hidden. A combination of these or the 8/12H may contribute to an habitual liar. Uneasy - but not hard - aspects like the semisq, sesqui, or quincunx may contribute. Hard aspects are direct and obvious, so not in the style of a liar.

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posted January 20, 2015 02:09 PM            

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Originally posted by alyssa27:
almost everyone lies..there are different kind of lies and liars of course..but our world is full of lies sadly..i have accepted that..maybe that is the reason i'm very suspicious with what i hear and with the people in general..but i believe that the most people lies some with good and some with bad intentions
for example someone ask you if you are all right,but you don't wanna that person to know that you're not ok and ask you more questions that you don't wanna answer so you smile and say i'm fine...that's a simple lie,a lie that almost everyone has said at some point.
personally i have lied mostly because i want to keep some things for myself

i have neptune square moon,opposition venus,ssq mercury,square mc/ic,trine mars also i have been told many lies maybe that's why i'm familiar with them and at some point i have accepted that no matter what most people will lie
to answer the topic question i think hard and easy neptune aspects can lie and accept lying..the easy aspects may have the pathological liar tendency more that the hard ones and the hard aspects have a tendency to attract liars in their lifes more than the easy ones

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posted January 20, 2015 04:19 PM            

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Originally posted by VacantGazer:
I have neptune square sun and opposite my moon (my sun is center of the t square)

I also have neptune sq mercury

I hate lies! I can always tell when im being lied to. I'm a terrible liar anyway so I dont bother

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Interesting!
I also hate lying, generally know when someone is being deceitful, and unless the situation is dire, I won't bother with trying to lie. I can't stand it.

I also have a Sun/Moon/Neptune T-square, with Neptune at the apex.

I've always been under the impression that people with hard Neptune aspects were supposed to be sneaky or whatever, but I'm really repelled by it at my core.

posted January 20, 2015 04:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Blind writer:
The sign that values truth and honesty the most is Sagittarius, so placements there and/or strong 9H presence or a strong 9R may contribute.

On the flip side, Scorpio is all about manipulation, while Pisces represents the hidden. A combination of these or the 8/12H may contribute to an habitual liar. Uneasy - but not hard - aspects like the semisq, sesqui, or quincunx may contribute. Hard aspects are direct and obvious, so not in the style of a liar.

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posted January 20, 2015 04:28 PM            

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Originally posted by starmoon:
interesting theory. i have an easy aspect to neptune, it conjuncts the asc exact. i am very comfortable telling lies if i need to, and deceiving others, through words or my looks, etc. i don't see it as lying though, if that makes sense. it's done as a form of trickery, in a way, and almost to test the validity of others and how easy they are to deceive and accept lies. i do it more to see how others react than for the lie itself. and yes, i tolerate it in others as well. and attract others who do the same.

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posted January 20, 2015 04:38 PM            

But, I'd never lie about someone else or spread lies to hurt them. With the Moon, you can tell white lies to protect your feelings or keep them from being exposed. So, there have been situations, on a regular basis, where I didn't feel like talking about something, emotionally, or having someone know something that happened to me and where I've told a lie to end the conversation or make it sound better than what really happened. And sometimes, I even find myself believing it happened and convincing myself of the lie and then thinking, "Wait, what am I saying?"

Like I said, it's an instinctive thing, so I don't realize I'm doing it until afterwards. And it's something I'm working on.

posted January 20, 2015 04:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
Interesting!
I also hate lying, generally know when someone is being deceitful, and unless the situation is dire, I won't bother with trying to lie. I can't stand it.

I also have a Sun/Moon/Neptune T-square, with Neptune at the apex.

I've always been under the impression that people with hard Neptune aspects were supposed to be sneaky or whatever, but I'm really repelled by it at my core.

People who lie fairly consistently (and people who lie to themselves often) really grate on my nerves.

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"I've always been under the impression that people with hard Neptune aspects were supposed to be sneaky or whatever, but I'm really repelled by it at my core."

posted January 20, 2015 09:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Dreaminess:
people that tend to put up a role to "play" and its hard to pretend that i dont see the "truth" behind the pretending

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I'm not sure what you're talking about when you say people pretend to be other than they are. Do you mean like a person pretending to care just to manipulate, or do you mean people who are actually too scared to live their own truth and so adopt a persona (the way many choose their clothes to fit the situation) so as to not be rejected?

ETA: I see now...

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Originally posted by Dreaminess:
It actually bothers me more that they lie to themselves than whatever lie they say to me.

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I have no patience for con-artists (including those in it just for the fun) and the like but I tend to find those protecting themselves with a mask more sad than contemptible (and also very common) but tolerable, and seeing the games and fake personalities so many carried out at clubs in order to land a partner (now they do the same on dating sites and still put up pix that are from several years ago--or even that of someone else!--as well as a self-description so generic or vague as to wonder why they didn't just leave all the info blank, which is about the same thing people did when meeting at clubs) made me realize why there were so many divorces...not many people are happy with "bait and switch" scams (and have heard so much about how a relationship ended because after awhile, possibly right after marriage s/he changed, or put more accurately they finally took their mask off).

But thing is I never got that deep into a relationship with such a person. If I thought I was being cynically manipulated I either called them on it or froze them out, and in the case of those protecting their true selves with a mask I generally tried to make them feel safe enough to take the mask off (assuming I had a lot to do with them), though it can be frustrating when those hiding behind a mask keep second guessing my intentions and wondering if it's all a trap, and some come to believe their own mask (sort of a low grade Stockholm Syndrome to be who the crowd or whoever wants them to be). (Granted, it doesn't help that so many liars and fakes say they can't stand liars and fakes.)

posted January 20, 2015 09:37 PM            

I can always tell when I'm being lied to and it makes me even more upset when the person whom I know is lying, continues to do so. Honesty and trust are huge for me, it takes a lot to gain them both back when you've lost the privilege.

I don't deceive people for the sake of doing so. I value honesty and believe I should practice what I preach. I can't stand hypocritical people.

I have Neptune square my Asc exact, square Mercury and opposite Mars and MC. (I have a tight conjunct with Uranus). My Mars is also in the 9th.

posted January 20, 2015 09:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
Gaahhh! No.
I have Neptune trine my Asc, and while I hide what I feel is no one's business (and there is a lot about me that I feel is no one's business), I don't go out of my way to deceive people just for the sake of doing so.
If I thought someone I knew was doing that, I wouldn't bother with them (no offense).

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I second this.

posted January 21, 2015 08:38 PM            

I've experienced this a lot in my life. People seem to either think that I'm considerably more upstanding than I am (think "Well Respected Man", by The Kinks), or they think that I'm much less than I really am.

Most of the time, people only see one aspect of who I am, because I've found that it doesn't necessarily pay for me to express any complexities to people. Sometimes people don't understand it. Or if they see more than one aspect, they think that I'm contradicting myself, which is exasperating to me.

posted January 21, 2015 09:13 PM            

Pisces sees more than the other signs. The other signs expect Pisces to conform to their norms, but Pisces has advanced beyond those norms, truly. And unless you are in tune with Pisces energy, you really won't *get* their rationale because it is literally beyond you. So what's left to say, honestly? You either get them or you don't.

My best friend is a Pisces, and I grew up next door to her; we are practically sisters. And I know that many of the things she has done would look to others like deceit when actually, it killed her to not be honest, but it would have killed her worse to hurt anyone. So she has the worst guilt complex of anyone.

I have a Pisces moon square Neptune though, and I totally get this whole problem.

posted January 21, 2015 10:11 PM            

But is it a lie to not trumpet every thought and emotion? In reality if we do then we are "rubbing it in other's faces" and they don't like it (what such people really want is CONTROL, not information, and they want you to parrot their own ideals and biases but they can't police your thoughts unless they know them). There is such a thing as TMI. And there are plenty of times it's best to hold one's peace as it would be considered obnoxious not to (recalling a pair of hunters talking about gutting deer at a vegan potluck comes to mind).

And people make ignorant assumptions all the time. I've lost count of how many considered me a racist homophobe because of my Texan accent (some who thought this was a good thing and others a bad thing), sometimes I corrected them and sometimes I didn't bother for a variety of reasons, but that's not me being deceitful, that's them being ignorant (and aren't inclined to believe me even I do correct them). Others assume I'm stupid because I'm blonde, meanwhile I show I'm not online and people assume I'm a brunette. Plenty of conservatives think I'm a liberal and plenty of liberals think I'm a conservative simply because I don't participate in their group think (once I was called a Leftist Loony by a Dittohead and a Right Wing Extremist by a Clintonista within like a month of each other for saying about the exact same thing which was roughly quoting Thomas Jefferson about the Constitution limiting government power). A guy who tried to rape me thought he could do so because I'd borrowed a Grateful Dead shirt (and thus assumed a lot of things about me he shouldn't have), and I still don't know how I "teased" a particular guy who sexually harassed me but I supposedly did something (though I suspect he'd just seen too many porn movies and mistook them for reality and thus me as the classic blonde bimbo despite being so covered up and not flirting at all).

posted January 21, 2015 11:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
I second this.

I have the exact square and would never do such things. I too would have zero use for a person who is like that. I'm not trying nor do I hope to have offended you, starmoon.

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posted January 21, 2015 11:18 PM            

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But is it a lie to not trumpet every thought and emotion? In reality if we do then we are "rubbing it in other's faces" and they don't like it (what such people really want is CONTROL, not information, and they want you to parrot their own ideals and biases but they can't police your thoughts unless they know them). There is such a thing as TMI. And there are plenty of times it's best to hold one's peace as it would be considered obnoxious not to (recalling a pair of hunters talking about gutting deer at a vegan potluck comes to mind).

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posted January 22, 2015 09:21 PM            

I'm not sure if it's the Mercury 6H trine Pluto 3H, Saturn trine Sun, or the Virgo Moon, but I find that I'm considerably more honest with myself about my own behaviors at least, than most people I know in my personal life.

I tend to listen to my instincts when trusting people, or by noting their behavior with others.

If someone is very close to me, I am capable of idealizing them and excusing their behavior.

Not if it's atrocious, but in the past I've given a lot more leeway to friends and certain family members, and probably assumed that they took our relationships as seriously as I did.

But when it becomes apparent that is not the case, mostly demonstrated by their actions, I'm pretty quick to stop caring about the relationship.

But that's about it, as far as lying to myself.