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MineAgain
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posted January 21, 2015 04:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MineAgain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From what I gathered, during a tSaturn transit, Saturn tends to dissolve fragile/useless relationships because they serve you no purpose.

During tSaturn in Scorpio, my relationship with my mother hit rough patches to the point where when Saturn exited my sign, I stopped talking to her completely. It just happened all of the sudden. I didn't plan on cutting ties with her but it just happened naturally.

The cord was slowly getting thinner as Saturn was close to its exit and when it left, the few ties I had left with her dissipated. Overnight, she no longer existed. It's never happened to me with anyone.

My mother has always been abusive verbally and physically. She literally bullied me and kept putting me down. I used to get into heated arguments with her ... when Saturn left, it's as though died right at that moment. She no longer exists and no matter how much I try explain what happened, I just can't understand why I suddenly cut ties with her. I'm not even hurt over it because I knew it was a long time coming. The pain I've felt over the years reached a culmination point. I'm not sad. I just sort of think it's a case closed. I don't feel the need to communicate with her.


Is this an effect of this transit?

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Gemini Blues
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posted January 21, 2015 06:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gemini Blues     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When Saturn passed through my first house (starting at 0°03' Scorpio) it dissolved my 7 year LTR, my 20 year employer (he closed the business), and my relationship with my mother (she passed away). It now has moved into my second house where it has begun to dissolve my relationship with my home (my landlord has put my apartment up for sale)

I'm not on speaking terms with Saturn right now...

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posted January 21, 2015 08:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Saturn transit was the “looking for a big daddy” years.

Not in the literal sense of the word of course:But more figuratively.

So I was looking for a mentor,a teacher, someone who can show me the way,to advise me, to encourage and lead me towards a “sure” path etc.

In the career (where I think this manifested mostly)I was feeling under-prepared and very “green”.

So I looked for someone to show me stability and consistency.I was searching very much for the Capricorn “other” (Saturn in 7th manifestation). But that individual never came.

Instead I got really incompetent people in authority positions at work: People who were either too disinterested or just extremely demanding etc.

What ended up happening was that I learned to be my own “boss”.And with the added Saturn return conjunct my natal Saturn in 7th. I realised that I really always was.

I was the “boss” that I was looking for. I was the only one competent enough to lead me. I was the stability and consistency I needed. Just me.

The transit left me with a less idealistic view of work or bosses. As I have realized that just because someone is at the top, does not mean that they know how to do the job

Oh yes and my job contract came to an end too;possibly suggesting that I needed to do something that'll enable me to work for myself etc.

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posted January 21, 2015 11:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solar_Leo_Queen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting thread. When Saturn retrograded and re-entered my 5th house, I felt very lonely even though I had a lot of friends and my family was not having any problems. I also had a bunch of guys after me at that time, yet I felt like something was missing. I went after this guy who had a girlfriend. He was one of the guys that liked me. He thought I was amazing, attractive, fun, and had a great personality. And at that time, it seemed like I was completely alone and no one appreciated me. I think I subconsciously hoped he'd be able to be the one to make me feel a little less lonely. And he did, but only for a short while. When Saturn went direct, things got bad between us, until I finally found out he was also seeing someone else. Saturn was about to leave my 5th house then. That's when I finally ended things between us and it took me a while to completely get over everything. For 2 months, I was hoping he'd come back and make it up to me. But I realized I wasn't the only one he hurt. When I did realize this, Saturn has already moved into my 6th house and I started to feel like I needed a change in my daily life.

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(From Dark Pixie Astrology) Saturn transiting the 5th house:
In romance, you may feel like you have less love in your life, and have to learn to feel worthy of love because you’re a good person and not because of what other people think of you. Self-love is something that you may need to cultivate.

It all makes sense.

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posted January 21, 2015 12:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ikja     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I made a similar post the other day. Unfortunately, I misworded the title and it didn't quite take off.

When tSaturn went through Scorpio, I literally had a struggle with my identity. I found that issues involving my past relationships and hurts were brought to the surface and I had to accept them and move on. This was difficult 1. Because I hate talking about my emotions, I find this quite difficult and 2. I thought that a lot of the issues that resurfaced had been dealt with. I guess not. I found that quite a few of the issues were interlinked and tied to feelings of 'abandonment' and the fact that many key people in my life had left, although I understood that they were fighting their own demons; it hurt me because I needed them as a sister, friend or girlfriend (at the time). However, knowing that I have a tendency to feel abandoned when people fail to follow through, that period of time forced me to a. Look at all the things I have achieved without the people I thought I needed b. Realise that no one can ever do for me, what I can do for ME and c. See that I have so many strengths which are assets.

Fast forward to this year, tSaturn is messing with Sagittarius - opposite Gemini (my Sun) and therefore is causing problems with my relationships - already!!!!!!! I'm thankful because I realise now (relatively early on) that I am worth so much more than half hearted efforts. Given all of the things I learned last year, I am realising that I don't have much time for anyone who is not ready to sacrifice for me/our relationship. Therefore, I'm already losing people because I'm putting my foot down and saying no more to people.

It saddens me because my ex is one of those people and I really wanted a future with him, but I refuse to be the only one who gives now. A relationship is a two way street and for a long time, I was walking it alone. If I'm honest, he left me and told me a long time ago that he didn't want to be with me anymore; but instead of seeing the glass as half empty... It's half full because I deserve better than 10%. I actually refuse to be an afterthought to anyone. I want better; and hopefully... I'll get better by the end of tSaturn's trip.

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posted January 21, 2015 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 3l3n     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Indeed, it is now almost making sense.

Saturn's now close to the end of my 5th.. He will be going retro soon again though.
Maybe some unfinished buisiness still needs working on.

Last time he went retro, & forward again, I really understood what toxic could mean

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posted January 21, 2015 12:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is so interesting since Saturn has moved into saggy I've had several Ex's pop up out of the blue.
I'm struggling to find out where they belong in my life and realizing I don't need them because they don't fill in or fit with my needs, they only fit with a small part of what I need. I can do better!

Saturn is movin up on my 2/3rd house saggy Sun/Merc/Nep stellium...Saturn will be trine my leo Saturn very soon also, so your thoughts make sense.

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posted January 21, 2015 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MineAgain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
That is so interesting since Saturn has moved into Mars, I've had several Ex's pop up out of the blue, I'm struggling to fun out where they belong in my life and realizing I don't need them because they don't fill all my needs, just part of what I need. I can do better!

Saturn is movin up on my 2/3rd house saggy Sun/Merc/Nep stellium...Saturn will be trine my leo Saturn very soon also, so your thoughts make sense.


Yeah, my stalker ex popped up too a couple days ago. Unfortunately, the one "ex" I wanted to talk to hasn't popped up

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posted January 21, 2015 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MineAgain:
Yeah, my stalker ex popped up too a couple days ago. Unfortunately, the one "ex" I wanted to talk to hasn't popped up

I edited my post, it was terrible! I'm on my phone. Ugh!

I have a stalker to and yes he has made an appearance also but I caught him and he quietly disappeared again, lol...why do these psychos get attached to us??

Maybe this transit will help them see we don't belong in their lives?? Wouldn't that be nice?

How does Saturn aspect you? It's trining my natal leo Saturn and moving onto my saggy Merc/Sun.

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posted January 22, 2015 08:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Kannon McAfee
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posted January 22, 2015 11:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn transits generally do this sort of cutting of ties when making angular aspects to Mercury, sometimes Venus or Moon.

And yes, that is how it operates very often. Saturn (sickle) is an instrument of cutting down what is ready to use. In other words, when the growth has reached its maximum, it is harvest time. Chop!

And that is why it felt so natural. It isn't about enmity or any resentment. Doesn't have to be anyway.

Angular Saturn transits to natal Mercury are 'goodbye' transits so often, even if its saying goodbye to a habit of our own mental construction.

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posted January 23, 2015 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MineAgain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I think that's why I suddenly felt this "instant detachment" as soon as Saturn left Scorpio. The relationship with my mother had run its course and there was nothing left to salvage, unfortunately.

What is very strange is that it's as though she never existed to begin with. I have neutral feelings towards her. The hate-affection perspective I had no longer is.

Towards the end, she was bringing me down more than she was supporting me. When I ended up with no money, she literally stopped talking to me because I couldn't buy her clothes/makeup. She kept bringing me down when I was already at my lowest point.

My dad was a great support during my job search but she did nothing but kick me down. After years of suffering, Saturn removed this negative energy of my life. I no longer stress out about what she thinks/says. It's useless. She no longer has an impact on my life.

I think I just didn't expect Saturn to also take away toxic family members. The flip side is that I feel more confident in who I am and what I want ever since I "cut her off".

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posted January 23, 2015 12:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheresthemoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Saturn transits generally do this sort of cutting of ties when making angular aspects to Mercury, sometimes Venus or Moon.

And yes, that is how it operates very often. Saturn (sickle) is an instrument of cutting down what is ready to use. In other words, when the growth has reached its maximum, it is harvest time. Chop!

And that is why it felt so natural. It isn't about enmity or any resentment. Doesn't have to be anyway.

Angular Saturn transits to natal Mercury are 'goodbye' transits so often, even if its saying goodbye to a habit of our own mental construction.


Very interesting. After reading this I decided to go back and look at the transits in effect when I cut a certain friend out of my life. He was a very toxic person...always complaining and hated my SO for no reason (I think he had feelings for me, but I had made it clear many times that I did not have those feelings for him). The sun was conjunct my natal saturn in the seventh and I just realized, "This friendship has no future." I just realized that my friendship with him was like carrying a corpse around...an angry, bitter corpse. So I cut him off, and I've never once regretted it.

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posted January 23, 2015 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MineAgain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, it felt as though I was carrying a "dead body". The ghost of her toxic behavior was following me everywhere.

For my own sanity, I chose to erase her existence from my life. No one wants to cut off family, but sometimes you have no choice but to move on with your life. Some people never/change or grow up, unfortunately.

For years, I was wondering why I was feeling so insecure/bad about myself and plain miserable. The moment I released her energy from my life, I finally started to breathe. I felt free.

It's sad but probably for the best.

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posted January 23, 2015 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheresthemoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MineAgain:
Yes, it felt as though I was carrying a "dead body". The ghost of her toxic behavior was following me everywhere.

For my own sanity, I chose to erase her existence from my life. No one wants to cut off family, but sometimes you have no choice but to move on with your life. Some people never/change or grow up, unfortunately.

For years, I was wondering why I was feeling so insecure/bad about myself and plain miserable. The moment I released her energy from my life, I finally started to breathe. I felt free.

It's sad but probably for the best.


I'm sorry you went through that. My mother has had to do the same with her mom. She hates it, but she is better off without the toxicity. I'm glad you feel good about your decision!

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posted January 23, 2015 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ann7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is an interesting thread. Both my boyfriend and I are experiencing saturn right on top of our safe dents at the moment... Unfortunately for me, saturn is also tightly squaring my natal moon. My boyfriend who in 7 years only primped when we first started dating - is all of a sudden fixated on his appearance while I on the other hand am dealing with intense depression. My gut tells me our relationship is starting to dissolve (even though he swares everything is fine).

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posted January 23, 2015 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MineAgain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think Saturn tends to bring to the surface the unspoken truth/issues for you to work on them. If these issues are workable, then it tends to strengthen your ties. If the situation can't be salvaged, then it triggers a complete death of the relationship.

When Saturn was transiting my sign, I had to look at the roots of my issues. Some other issues came up with my mother which made me realize she was at the roots of my insecurities. As an adult, I realize she can't have a power on me anymore. She used to pull the emotional strings and I was hostage. Now that I am able to distinguish the healthy from the unhealthy, I finally saw the raw truth.

Saturns brings the truth to the surface, no matter how inconvenient/painful it is. If there are hidden issues/deceit in any way, Saturn will make sure you know about them and you deal with them.

It's about responsibility and assertion. You tend to isolate yourself so you can work on what's wrong with you/your life. Dysfunctional situations tend to get even more dysfunctional for your to realize it's a dead end.

I felt depressed when Saturn was in my sign. It's normal.

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