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deepseablues
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posted January 26, 2015 01:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for deepseablues     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ASC 11 deg
Sun 13 deg
Mercury 15 deg

This is my brother. I find him very difficult to talk to, very self righteous. It's like he only ever thinks about himself and doesn't even consider other points of view, yet changes his all the time, and every time his view is totally right (in his mind/view) even when it is the opposite of the view he used to have. So frustrating. I was SHOCKED when his ex-girlfriend and a friend said that he talks about me and talks like we are super close (example: upon meeting one of his closest friends at the time the friend says to me, "it's sooo weird we haven't met yet!" Me: "Why, its not like me and [brother] are very close." Friend: Looks very confused.) cause I go for months (half a year to a year sometimes) without talking to or hearing from him and when we do talk it seems like he doesn't hear anything I say, nor give a crap what's going on with me.

Anyway any opinions on these aspects and how to deal with them?

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posted January 26, 2015 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DeepFreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Advice:

Don't take it so personally when he does this.
We don't behave this way for the purpose of being an @ss. We're As*es very naturally, but our intentions are not nasty.
Having them in first house would also possibly give him a "me first" feel.

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posted January 26, 2015 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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the89freespirit
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posted January 26, 2015 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for the89freespirit     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by deepseablues:
ASC 11 deg
Sun 13 deg
Mercury 15 deg

This is my brother. I find him very difficult to talk to, very self righteous. It's like he only ever thinks about himself and doesn't even consider other points of view, yet changes his all the time, and every time his view is totally right (in his mind/view) even when it is the opposite of the view he used to have. So frustrating. I was SHOCKED when his ex-girlfriend and a friend said that he talks about me and talks like we are super close (example: upon meeting one of his closest friends at the time the friend says to me, "it's sooo weird we haven't met yet!" Me: "Why, its not like me and [brother] are very close." Friend: Looks very confused.) cause I go for months (half a year to a year sometimes) without talking to or hearing from him and when we do talk it seems like he doesn't hear anything I say, nor give a crap what's going on with me.

Anyway any opinions on these aspects and how to deal with them?


Hmmm, yeah. Sun conjunct Mercury rising in Leo can be intensely self-involved. This can be a really narcissistic combination, especially when very young, as I take your brother to be. Because of it, he definitely sees himself as being the complete center of his environment. It's already common for a plain Leo Sun to think the world revolves around them. But, put a Leo Ascendant and Mercury in the mix, both conjunct the Sun, and life is his endless movie. He's the starring role and everyone else is either the supporting actor or one of the extras.

I'm guessing that - and this has not much to do with astrology, really - he keeps saying you two are very close because that's the life that he wants to be living and that's the image that he wants others to believe. Narcissistic people are very good at creating this very idealized picture - of themselves, their family, their whatever else - for other people to buy into.

How old is he, by the way? Leo energy can be highly egotistical when young but can mellow out as the person gets older. I'm a Leo Sun and used to be rather obsessed with myself but that's something that I've mostly grown out of as I've gotten older (even though I'm still very young myself: 25). Just try and understand him, accept why he is the way he is, but definitely give yourself the necessary space. If he tries your patience enough to require that much time without talking, you're entitled to that choice (which I'm sure you know already). And don't take him creating these stories about you too personally. Just realize he's just living in his own little world.

(I feel like an advice columnist right now. )

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Solar_Leo_Queen
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posted January 26, 2015 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solar_Leo_Queen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ugh that's difficult. You're lucky your brother doesn't have Mars in Leo conjunct those other planets. My sister is another Leo like me and her Mars is in Leo conjunct her sun. Her mercury is in a later degree, but I could still see its effects. She thinks she's always right and always pushes her way through things. My Virgo mercury just sits there and thinks, "You dumb little b*tch." I think it's normal for Leo mercuries to be inflexible. Heck, I noticed almost every fixed mercuries act like that, except in Leo, it stems more from the ego.

I think you should just ignore your brother's attitude. That's what I do. I mean, there's no point in trying to make inflexible minds see your point of view right? Just ignore it, no matter how annoying it is. At least you still have the satisfaction of knowing you're way smarter than those people.

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posted January 26, 2015 07:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for deepseablues     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the advice everyone! I do try not to take it personally, however it can be difficult because we do not really have family and are not close either so it just feels like there is so much disconnect but it is hard to be close and feel connected when it feels like all someone cares about is themself/view and like they are not even fully present when you are around them/talking to them.

@the89freespirit, he is 26 at the moment. I like your view on this and you would make a good advice columnist haha.

@Solar_Leo_Queen, I do both try to ignore it and not try to force my views/opinions on him as I think that can be annoying to anyone, but its just so messed up, he went from being a heroin addict, to being a completely clean straight edge vegan buddhist, to being a hunter survivalist but every transformation the way he sees everything is like the one and only right way. When he was a vegan it was "this is the only right way for people to eat and live!" and now he's a hunter and "this is the only right way for people to eat and live sustainably and locally!" with no wiggle room whatsoever.

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posted January 27, 2015 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for the89freespirit     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by deepseablues:
Thanks for the advice everyone! I do try not to take it personally, however it can be difficult because we do not really have family and are not close either so it just feels like there is so much disconnect but it is hard to be close and feel connected when it feels like all someone cares about is themself/view and like they are not even fully present when you are around them/talking to them.

@the89freespirit, he is 26 at the moment. I like your view on this and you would make a good advice columnist haha.

@Solar_Leo_Queen, I do both try to ignore it and not try to force my views/opinions on him as I think that can be annoying to anyone, but its just so messed up, he went from being a heroin addict, to being a completely clean straight edge vegan buddhist, to being a hunter survivalist but every transformation the way he sees everything is like the one and only right way. When he was a vegan it was "this is the only right way for people to eat and live!" and now he's a hunter and "this is the only right way for people to eat and live sustainably and locally!" with no wiggle room whatsoever.


Thanks. Guess my Virgo planets are showing.

Are his Leo planets squaring Pluto in Scorpio? Because that doesn't just sound like Leo ego at play. That sounds like good, old-fashioned Plutonian extremism. All of the various radical life phases (very radical, from the sound of it) and such. And it sounds like some self-destruction was involved in some of them. If so, that makes even more sense, as Leo can be very stubborn and self-righteous isn't exactly an extreme sign, by itself. And if he does have a strong Pluto influence, know that this can mellow over time, as well, as long as self-awareness and a willingness to take a less dramatic, more balanced approach to life is involved.

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deepseablues
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posted January 27, 2015 09:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for deepseablues     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow good deduction powers on that one!

They are all squaring Pluto which is at 9 deg Scorpio.

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Randall
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posted January 28, 2015 09:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Aries23Degrees
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posted January 29, 2015 04:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Your brother's grand gesture to others about the nature of your sibling relationship is typical of this placement; blowing things completely out of perspective.

I used to know a Venus in Leo guy who talked about his woman like she was a "goddess".

My Mercury in Cap was very sceptical about this. And when I did meet her, she was a far cry from the description he painted

Do you have Leo placements yourself? Or rather what placements do you have that you think could be responsible for this apparent "disconnect"?

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deepseablues
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posted January 29, 2015 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for deepseablues     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No I don't have any Leo placements beyond my SN, Vertex and some asteroids.

I'm not entirely sure the reason for the disconnect, I suppose our childhood/ way were raised has some to do with it... We never got a long and fought terribly as youngsters, never ever been close, it was much worse in childhood with a lot of tension, disagreements, competition etc etc. I was utterly amazed when I was introduced and spent time with families whose sibling got a long, or even more than that, outright showed LOVE for each other. Shocked!!! I think its lovely when families are genuinely close I wish its something I could experience.

Synastry wise his ASC/Sun/Mercury Square my Pluto even more tightly than his own Pluto. His Mars completes my T-Square making a Grand Cross with his Mars landing in my 4th and squaring my ASC/Neptune/Saturn by 1 deg, Uranus by 6, Jupiter by 2, and opposing my Moon by 8, also his Moon Squares my nodes so I'm thinking that all this contributes.

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bansheequeen
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posted January 29, 2015 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bansheequeen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Weird that he changes his view so much. This was my experience with a leo rising sag sun and moon person. changed his mind a lot and every time he did, his view was 100 percent the only viewpoint ever.

You don't need to jump into his bandwagon. Just pet the big kitty. let him know you respect his viewpoints and don't argue if it's not really important if he always changes them anyway.

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