posted January 28, 2015 03:42 PM            

This is what I've found....

Meaning of the charts-
Heliocentric - Christ Consciousness
Sidereal - Completion of Karma
Tropical - Present Incarnation
Draconic - Ongoing Soul Contract

Robert Blaschke (founder of Earthwalk Astrology School) looked at conjunctions between:
Heliocentric to Geocentric
Sidereal to Tropical
Draconic to Tropical
Orbs within 1 degree orb

Heliocentric Asteroids - conjunction within 1 degree
Heliocentric Asteroid Nodes - only ptolemaic aspects within 1 degree
Geocentric Asteroid Nodes - only ptolemaic aspects within 1 degree

Helio N - Heliocentric Nodes
Geo NN - Geocentric North Node
Geo SN - Geocentric South Node

posted January 29, 2015 10:30 PM            

Heliocentric is the energy I bring into all my Soul Creativity - from source so to speak.

Sidereal is the energy when I'm operating from my higher self.

Tropical is energy I bring in initial contacts or when my energy is on a more mundane level (personality) as it's hard to always be operating at a higher self vibration.

Draconic chart is the bridge or karmic lessons that bridge my understanding of what I needed to learn before I could differentiate between the tropical (personality) and sidereal (higher self) and eventually heliocentric.

posted January 31, 2015 11:44 PM            

First, I'll say that all four charts are 'western' astrology. The signs, planets and houses all represent the same energies that we understand so it's not to say that we need to relearn anything. What is required though is to remember that we are all on earth to evolve, grow and eventually realize our true nature, or our soul contact with the divine. "I think therefore I am" represents one of the false beliefs that is being challenged in today's new age movement that recognizes that the mind, a shadow side of ego has become rampant in today's society and is nothing more than a mechanical computer that repeats past messages and builds defenses based on subconscious behavior patterns that are usually incorrect or defective in some way. However, "I think therefore I am" is true in the sense that we create our own reality as quantum physics and science is starting to prove. The body reacts the same to a physical threat as to one perceived by the mind, just like athletes know to mentally visualize their performance and expectations before going out competing. With that in 'mind', let's try and see how each chart represents a piece of the pie, a part of the pie, a whole pie or no pie at all. One cannot say that there is a linear path to evolution - it's not to say someone operating from their Heliocentric chart is more spiritual then someone who relates more strongly to their Draconic. We are all four charts at the same time and all four charts represent the overlays, astral and etheric substance of our essence. The lessons we choose to learn in this incarnation ties directly to the chart that we associate or give the most energy to.

The DRACONIC chart isn't all about karma and a negative past. It's true role is an emergence into our North Node role and responsibility. Sometimes (but not always) the sign of the North Node becomes our Ascendant in the Draconic chart representing a soul growth or evolution towards that energy which then becomes visible through the Ascendant as we embody the lessons learned. Does this means that we have more then one Ascendant? Yes, and the one that you embody is the one that you 'perceive' the most - meaning that it is the one that your soul accepts as one of the most important lessons in your incarnation. Then, if the North Node's transition to the Ascendant is defined as your evolutionary arc, then it makes sense to say that the new signs on your planets also represent energies presenting your journey towards that purpose. This is why I define the Draconic chart as the path, the way, the map and the soul's growth.

The TROPICAL chart is the one that crystallizes the ego into a personality or the 'now'. It doesn't care about evolution, about the past, about the future, it's energy is to be used in the present moment. However, for the most part, we do not use it's energy - we are not co-creators with full understanding and comprehension - we are used by the planets, signs and aspects and we thus believe this crystallization to be 'us', our personality. Most people have no problem relating to their tropical because it is 'now', there is never a time where you cannot be now. And yet, in the now, everything is perception. When we percieve with our 5 senses, we get form and matter and the physical world is all that's apparent. In the same way, when we are tethered to the astral energies of our personality, it is usually all we see. Over lifetimes of playing different parts and personalities and 'being' creation in all it's manifestations, we learn what we are and what we are not.

The SIDEREAL chart represents 'us' when we are no longer subject to the whims of the energies being received from the Tropical chart. Call it growing up, maturity, finding ourselves, etc, but we are no longer passive recipients of energies, we are becoming radiators of energies. Our purpose has been clarified, our wills tested and forged through the joys and sorrows of experience, of lessons learned and wisdom gained. We now co-create our reality, serving a higher purpose, a higher will so to speak. Having learned that we are no longer our personality, we play with the energies that is required at the moment, and then let it go - there is less attachment because it is a flow so to speak.

As an example, my Ascendant in (Dr, Tr, Si) is Virgo, Aquarius, Capricorn. I relate to all three signs and yet to none for they are like masks that I wear. I can be organized, analytical and detail oriented. I can be broad-minded, humanitarian and detached. I can be stern, authoritarian and structured. But they come and go as the need dictates, there is no attachment and they are not 'personality' traits. The mind loves to constantly think of itself to understand itself and yet the mind never can. It reminds me of the saying, "Lose yourself to find yourself".

Lastly, the HELIOCENTRIC is your true essence or christ consciousness. The ego has died and what's left is nothing but love. (The sun as an ID ego is transcended and what's left is only source as given by the creator, as part of the creator and of the creator). It's very interesting that the earth and moon sign are usually the opposite sign of the Sun sign demonstrating that duality is only two sides of the same coin or polarity. In confronting the shadow side of your own sun sign, your consciousness is forced to expand and as duality is transcended, so are the astrological charts.

posted February 01, 2015 02:38 PM            

DRACONIC:
Capricorn Asc
Sagittarius Sun, Venus, Mercury, Saturn 11H
Gemini Moon 5H
Capricorn Mars 12H
Libra Jupiter, MC 10H
Virgo Chiron 9H
Pisces Uranus 3H
Taurus Neptune 4H
Aquarius Pluto 2H

SIDEREAL:
Leo Asc
Gemini Sun, Mercury 11H
Cancer Venus, Saturn 11H
Leo Mars 12H
Aries Jupiter, Chiron, MC 10H/9H
Libra rxUranus, NN 3H
Scorpio Neptune 4H
Virgo Pluto 2H

HELIO:
Almost the same as my Natal

All in all I am confused as he** looking at all this!

posted February 02, 2015 11:35 AM            

I'll take a stab at it and use it as a case study. Hopefully it won't just confuse you even more! ;o

Most likely your younger years were conflicted between your own emotional sensitivity and your perceived inability to communicate or interact in a balanced manner with others. You probably understood a lot of truths inherently, but your rigidness and black and white thinking would get you into trouble because of the way it was said, either too forcefully and dogmatic or too subtle and not direct enough. Because the message or truth was never received in the manner you assumed it would be, it would leave you feeling misunderstood sometimes. And yet with all your Pluto squares and planets in your 11H, it is your path to be involved in a social and humanitarian way - to not only allow others to effect and change you but for you to do the same likewise. I would even say that your inner expressiveness and confidence needed to become an outward expressiveness and confidence (looking forward towards the Sidereal Leo Asc and Mars).

The initial stage towards your full expression however first requires that you learned how to balance your emotional nature and not let your cancer sensitivity get the best of you. For every time that it would, you could bet that Pluto was looking to get involved in there somewhere, sometimes making the situation worse than it needed to be. This is initially seen with Pluto in Libra, always looking for that balance and fairness - not realizing it's your own reactions and assumptions that are causing the imbalance. This is why your Draconic Pluto in Aquarius is asking for that detachment and more broader outlook into the situation, it's not just about balancing the scales in Libra, sometimes you need to rise above the situation. This is also why your Draconic planets are mostly in Capricorn and Sagittarius. Capricorn teaches you emotional self-sufficiency and why sometimes emotions don't need to overwhelm you, but then again you already know that from your Capricorn moon - again demonstrating that your inner fortitude can become your outer fortitude and that you need not always fall back to your virgo/cancer tendencies of escapism, perfectionism and isolation. Through Sagittarius you learn the value of your truths, idealism and freedom, allowing others the same whether they disagree with you or not. Eventually, Pluto will have less and less of an influence on your life as the power struggles start to disappear and you begin to not only relate but feel connected to others around you as your differences don't seem as important as your similarities. You can interact without fearing that your own truths will be ignored or invalidated. The power of Pluto no longer reacts, it is a radiator of power - your own.

Now let's look at that Sidereal horoscope, operating from a higher level, with the wisdom of the past and life lessons learned and balanced. Leo Asc and Mars again demonstrates that if you want, your inner expansiveness and confidence can become your true self. You can shine your truth, share your energy and not need anything in return for Leo needs not, their creativity and pride is not something they need to search for, its something they exude. Your Gemini Sun and Mercury demonstrate that your previous complications about communication have been solved and balanced. Your black and white thinking has relaxed and you can now see both sides of the issue, you can listen, be tactful, be persuasive or direct when required and you begin to realize you are a born diplomat and conversationalist. Lastly, your Cancer Venus shows that you will always have a love for humanity and the down-trodden and now you fully have it within your power to help.

Cheers,
SDragon

posted February 02, 2015 01:06 PM            

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Originally posted by SDragon:
Hi charlie,

I'll take a stab at it and use it as a case study. Hopefully it won't just confuse you even more! ;o

Most likely your younger years were conflicted between your own emotional sensitivity and your perceived inability to communicate or interact in a balanced manner with others. You probably understood a lot of truths inherently, but your rigidness and black and white thinking would get you into trouble because of the way it was said, either too forcefully and dogmatic or too subtle and not direct enough. Because the message or truth was never received in the manner you assumed it would be, it would leave you feeling misunderstood sometimes. And yet with all your Pluto squares and planets in your 11H, it is your path to be involved in a social and humanitarian way - to not only allow others to effect and change you but for you to do the same likewise. I would even say that your inner expressiveness and confidence needed to become an outward expressiveness and confidence (looking forward towards the Sidereal Leo Asc and Mars).

The initial stage towards your full expression however first requires that you learned how to balance your emotional nature and not let your cancer sensitivity get the best of you. For every time that it would, you could bet that Pluto was looking to get involved in there somewhere, sometimes making the situation worse than it needed to be. This is initially seen with Pluto in Libra, always looking for that balance and fairness - not realizing it's your own reactions and assumptions that are causing the imbalance. This is why your Draconic Pluto in Aquarius is asking for that detachment and more broader outlook into the situation, it's not just about balancing the scales in Libra, sometimes you need to rise above the situation. This is also why your Draconic planets are mostly in Capricorn and Sagittarius. Capricorn teaches you emotional self-sufficiency and why sometimes emotions don't need to overwhelm you, but then again you already know that from your Capricorn moon - again demonstrating that your inner fortitude can become your outer fortitude and that you need not always fall back to your virgo/cancer tendencies of escapism, perfectionism and isolation. Through Sagittarius you learn the value of your truths, idealism and freedom, allowing others the same whether they disagree with you or not. Eventually, Pluto will have less and less of an influence on your life as the power struggles start to disappear and you begin to not only relate but feel connected to others around you as your differences don't seem as important as your similarities. You can interact without fearing that your own truths will be ignored or invalidated. The power of Pluto no longer reacts, it is a radiator of power - your own.

Now let's look at that Sidereal horoscope, operating from a higher level, with the wisdom of the past and life lessons learned and balanced. Leo Asc and Mars again demonstrates that if you want, your inner expansiveness and confidence can become your true self. You can shine your truth, share your energy and not need anything in return for Leo needs not, their creativity and pride is not something they need to search for, its something they exude. Your Gemini Sun and Mercury demonstrate that your previous complications about communication have been solved and balanced. Your black and white thinking has relaxed and you can now see both sides of the issue, you can listen, be tactful, be persuasive or direct when required and you begin to realize you are a born diplomat and conversationalist. Lastly, your Cancer Venus shows that you will always have a love for humanity and the down-trodden and now you fully have it within your power to help.

Cheers,
SDragon

I don't profess to be a professional astrologer but I have been told I have a flair for writing, so hopefully you enjoyed it even if it's not totally on spot.

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