posted February 11, 2015 02:11 AM            

What aspect would make a person (especially guys) have a very difficult or absent relationship with their father? What could reveal that a persons father might died in early age?

I ask this because I think that especially males with an absent or dead father, sometimes get some really hard psychological problems later in their lives. Some people really seem to suffer from this.
And this also makes me wonder about if is because of their aspect or that their father was actually gone? Does the hard aspect that tell about an absent father make it harder for the person to get over it, or does it just tell about it?
How much is up to the individual to change, or is it enough to just have some certain aspect, that will mess the whole life up?

Some people got an absent father, but somehow they managed to "make another father figure" in their lives, who was steady throughout their upbringing. Would these kind of people still got the aspect and were they just lucky?

posted February 11, 2015 03:31 AM            

He had problems with it over the next few years but I helped him get over it the first year I moved in (his frequent nightmares almost stopped completely, he gained many new friends and confidence, and now takes part in sports as he desires to do). I'm not male though I'm not some typical female either and easily adopt both feminine and masculine roles. I did worry when he shared a dream he had that his father came for him who was a vampire but as they were leaving I--who was Buffy the Vampire Slayer--dusted (that is staked/killed so that he instantly turned to dust) his father and that's when he realized he was a vampire himself and I chased him until he woke up. But he's become very close to me.

Perhaps his 10H Sag (for what it's worth his mother is a Sag sun, Gemini ASC) makes us compatible in that sense given my 5H Sag stellium (including Mars), though I'm sure my participating with him in various traditionally male activities (and he loved when we "constructed lightsabers" together before dueling which drew 3 grown men with their own lightsabers and I beat them all, he couldn't stop talking about that for days after) helped. (One grown man hearing of that asked me to adopt him. )

posted February 11, 2015 11:32 AM            

love my dad, however was largely absent from age 6 onwards, when he 'broke up' with mum and moved out.

his saturn is also on scorp 28, so returning at the same time.

my step dads ascending degree happens to be 28 scorp.

posted February 11, 2015 12:37 PM            

I've also seen particularly difficult relationships between son and father with hard aspects of Uranus to Saturn or Neptune to Saturn. The latter sometimes manifests as addiction to alcohol. So, even though the father is there physically, they are missing in action.

posted February 11, 2015 12:42 PM            

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Originally posted by next to neptune:
If a person have a sun-saturn aspect, this could make the relationship with the father very strict, right?

What aspect would make a person (especially guys) have a very difficult or absent relationship with their father? What could reveal that a persons father might died in early age?

I ask this because I think that especially males with an absent or dead father, sometimes get some really hard psychological problems later in their lives. Some people really seem to suffer from this.
And this also makes me wonder about if is because of their aspect or that their father was actually gone? Does the hard aspect that tell about an absent father make it harder for the person to get over it, or does it just tell about it?
How much is up to the individual to change, or is it enough to just have some certain aspect, that will mess the whole life up?

Some people got an absent father, but somehow they managed to "make another father figure" in their lives, who was steady throughout their upbringing. Would these kind of people still got the aspect and were they just lucky?

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I think that there are certain signs who are more "aware" of what love that "should" be there but is missing or comes in dribs and drabs,more so than others.

Certain signs that are more sensitive and heavily dependent on guidance at a very early age.

Not that we don't all need love,but some of us seem to thrive in conditions that may have paralyzed others.Some don't take it personally. Really!

Whilst in other cases those that we thought had it all,have deep emotional issues still pending to be healed or find release.

Males with Sun/Moon in water- yes.

Males with Sun/Moon in fire-yes.

Males with a personal/outer planet in a water sign making a challenging aspect with their Sun/Moon-yes.

Males with a personal planet/outer planet in a fire sign making a challenging aspect with their Sun/Moon-yes.

In my experience,water and fire Moons are the most sensitive.Whilst earth signs and air Moons tend to rationalize things a lot more and take them less personally.

posted February 11, 2015 02:31 PM            

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Originally posted by anno_lucis:
sun trine saturn (2h scorp 28)

love my dad, however was largely absent from age 6 onwards, when he 'broke up' with mum and moved out.

his saturn is also on scorp 28, so returning at the same time.

my step dads ascending degree happens to be 28 scorp.

edited to add: my step dad has only been in my life for the last 2-3 years.

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Originally posted by anno_lucis:
sun trine saturn (2h scorp 28)

love my dad, however was largely absent from age 6 onwards, when he 'broke up' with mum and moved out.

his saturn is also on scorp 28, so returning at the same time.

my step dads ascending degree happens to be 28 scorp.

edited to add: my step dad has only been in my life for the last 2-3 years.

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posted February 11, 2015 02:47 PM            

well, i just double checked. my fathers is actually more like 29'56 scorpio (fairly critical!), my bad.

my step dad is a 28'12 scorpio ascendant and my saturn is at 27'57.

Scorpio 29: AN INDIAN WOMAN PLEADING TO THE CHIEF FOR THE LIVES OF HER CHILDREN

Indian Woman Pleading To The Chief

This Symbol implies the need, or the ability, to be an advocate for the rights of others, particularly youngsters or children, and being prepared to argue with others in order to bring about a desired result. You may find yourself standing-up for those in your care, or for those who need your care, whether it is your children, your ideals or creative pursuits. Even if they sometimes deserve rejection, punishment or judgment, the solution will possibly be found not in being defensive as in simply asking for consideration, mercy and leniency. This degree can also show people who bring about a healing for others, whether it’s through their own actions or through finding the healers that are needed to affect a cure.

Patterns of family dominance. Pleading one’s cause. Family law courts. Lawyers. Advocates. Having firm ideas. Guilt and innocence. Intervention. Intercession. Courts.

The Caution: Being prepared to be dominated. Making a sacrifice of one’s self to achieve peace and quiet. Ramming one’s opinions. Being expelled. Being made an example of.

posted February 11, 2015 03:05 PM            

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Originally posted by anno_lucis:
peony:

well, i just double checked. my fathers is actually more like 29'56 scorpio (fairly critical!), my bad.

my step dad is a 28'12 scorpio ascendant and my saturn is at 27'57.

Scorpio 29: AN INDIAN WOMAN PLEADING TO THE CHIEF FOR THE LIVES OF HER CHILDREN

Indian Woman Pleading To The Chief

This Symbol implies the need, or the ability, to be an advocate for the rights of others, particularly youngsters or children, and being prepared to argue with others in order to bring about a desired result. You may find yourself standing-up for those in your care, or for those who need your care, whether it is your children, your ideals or creative pursuits. Even if they sometimes deserve rejection, punishment or judgment, the solution will possibly be found not in being defensive as in simply asking for consideration, mercy and leniency. This degree can also show people who bring about a healing for others, whether it’s through their own actions or through finding the healers that are needed to affect a cure.

Patterns of family dominance. Pleading one’s cause. Family law courts. Lawyers. Advocates. Having firm ideas. Guilt and innocence. Intervention. Intercession. Courts.

The Caution: Being prepared to be dominated. Making a sacrifice of one’s self to achieve peace and quiet. Ramming one’s opinions. Being expelled. Being made an example of.

yup.

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anno_lucis, even though the degree is not the same, it's very close and I think still significant.

I've had significant relationships with three (out of 7) people born between October 15-17.

posted February 11, 2015 03:07 PM            

Sun sag@4.28
Saturn leo@2.50
BM Lilith aries@3.04

posted February 11, 2015 04:37 PM            

I do have sun conj Nept in the 1st. But I've never heard that being it. Peony, do you have more info on that?

Someone said Lilith in the 10th.

posted February 11, 2015 08:09 PM            

Then again too many people lock in to my mommy/daddy issues based on my chart so maybe.

I still think it's coincidence. Never liked the theory much.

I mean there's a little nuance here -

If by my Moon and Saturn states a person thinks they can determine what my parents are then I think it's reaching

But if they mean by my Moon and Saturn my relationship to them I think this has a little more ground but a flimsy muddy dirty smelly ground because I think my whole chart determines my relationships with my parents and their chart.

But, perhaps, if the chart is a map of our lives then I guess mommy and daddy are represented in there.

posted February 11, 2015 09:34 PM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
I have never been able to figure out my dad's death in my chart. He died when I was just going into middle school.

I do have sun conj Nept in the 1st. But I've never heard that being it. Peony, do you have more info on that?

Someone said Lilith in the 10th.

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Lucie, do you want to put your chart up and the date of your father's death and get feedback?

About Sun-Neptune and absence of the father, I've noticed it looking at charts over the years. Liz Greene mentions this correlation also in her "Neptune" book.

posted February 11, 2015 09:36 PM            

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Originally posted by peony:
anno_lucis, even though the degree is not the same, it's very close and I think still significant.

I've had significant relationships with three (out of 7) people born between October 15-17.

Presidents Lincoln and Kennedy, iirc, had the same degrees ruling four houses in their charts.

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october 17 is libra, no? funny you should mention because my saturn is rx at the libra decan/duad (can't remember which) of scorpio

i'm pretty sure a lot of my karma in this lifetime is relationship based, i also have a libra ascendant/ venus in aries rx in 7th.

posted February 11, 2015 09:51 PM            

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Originally posted by peony:
About Sun-Neptune and absence of the father, I've noticed it looking at charts over the years. Liz Greene mentions this correlation also in her "Neptune" book.

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Interesting ~ my father died when my pr sun was conjunct tr Neptune.

ETA: I have sun and Saturn in mutual reception. My dad and I had more like a friendship.

posted February 12, 2015 03:33 AM            

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Originally posted by LuvinU:
LucieLemonade - how many degrees away from the ASC is your sun and Neptune? How old were you when your father died and does the age match how many degrees away from the ASC your sun and Neptune are?

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I ran off to look. But no. My ASC is 12 Scorpio my Nept is 0,53 sag and my sun 7,47 sag. I was 10 when he died.

Hmm, that's not as close a conj as I thought. I guess that's why the description of sun/nept only sort of resonates with me. I wonder if my TOB is off? It's what was recorded on my BC.

posted February 12, 2015 03:38 AM            

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Originally posted by peony:
Lucie, do you want to put your chart up and the date of your father's death and get feedback?

About Sun-Neptune and absence of the father, I've noticed it looking at charts over the years. Liz Greene mentions this correlation also in her "Neptune" book.

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When I was writing my post last night I was thinking "I need to get some real books". LOL.

posted February 12, 2015 12:51 PM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
Is that too cheeky of me to ask?

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I had to look up the meaning of "cheeky." lol No, you're not. Just sent you an email. Do you want to delete your addy?

posted February 12, 2015 03:12 PM            

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Originally posted by peony:
I had to look up the meaning of "cheeky." lol No, you're not. Just sent you an email. Do you want to delete your addy?

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Muah!