posted February 18, 2015 04:04 AM            

What is your view on the idea that planets which square the nodal axis represent 'skipped steps' from past lives?

There's more about it in the link below, but in short: if a planet squares your NN and SN, it shows lessons which you were supposed to learn in a past incarnation but, for some reason, did not learn at all or at least not fully. Do you agree with this, looking at your own chart (if you have any planets squaring your nodes?)

For example, I have my Saturn/ Uranus conjunction square my nodes. I definitely can see a skipped step in Saturn (discipline) but am still struggling to figure out Uranus.

posted February 18, 2015 04:20 AM            

It looks like my NN squares both Mars in Gemini 11th house and Neptune in Sagittarius 5th house.

I'm a NN groupie so I'll investigate and get back to you. Thanks for this discussion.

edit: ok so it is more accurate to say that Mars and Neptune in opposition to one another are square my nodes. Lol. That's as far as I've gotten in understanding this! The fact that they are two planets in opposition seems to complicate things more. I will have to do some serious work to even guess at which planet was conjunct which node, let alone find and understand the square aspect.

another challenge for me is that I can't deny past lives in the spiritual sense. But when we try to discuss past lives in application I feel something is lost- this is common. The mod in this discussion seems to me to have studied this topic extensively, but I would really have to read the work of someone I consider enlightened (Yogananda, mentioned in the article) first. I seem to always have to approach things from a spiritual understanding first. That understanding is my guide in determining whether the nature of what is practiced or practical has a beneficent and expanding effect, or a limiting effect. Blah blah, dont mind my rambling. My point is this is very very interesting and you've opened me up to a lot more reading. Thanks!

posted February 18, 2015 06:46 AM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Saturn square nodes but it didn't make much sense for me.
Unless I'm missing something either in article or in my life.

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DeepFreeze, I have the same placement and can definitely see a skipped step when it comes to discipline. I'm the kind of person who always leaves things for the last moment, I procrastinate both things I find enjoyable and not-so-enjoyable. I've been working on it lately and when I have better control of how I manage my time, I feel truly empowered. Saturn is in my 11H so I think this is telling me that the key to achieve my goals (which are big, I have a stellium in the 11H) is through discipline.
Do you resonate with any of this?
I think it could be connected with authority as well - for example, I've conformed with authority a lot despite a rebellious streak in my nature, and in past years have been embracing a tendency to question structures and look for / build alternatives. This might be Uranus squaring my nodes though. (If we assume that this whole thing about 'skipped steps' is true, of course )

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Originally posted by theunknown:
I have moon square nodes

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posted February 18, 2015 07:12 AM              

My Suturn is in Leo, in 10th house. Saturn also makes no aspects to personal planets except minor to moon and mercury.

I've always been very rebellious to authority. I wasn't the kind of kid (Or young adult) that would purposely do anything wrong (except speeding LOL). But I definitely had a defiant side. (Still do sometimes. I don't think it will ever go away completely) If I didn't like something, it didn't matter who the person was, they certainly knew about it and I had little to no fear in burning bridges and destroying relationships or opportunities to prove a point.

posted February 18, 2015 10:56 AM            

My moon is at the end of 11th house but it does feel like 12th at time, and it is also my fire singleton.

posted February 21, 2015 04:18 AM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
You know, now that you mention that stuff I think I see.

My Suturn is in Leo, in 10th house. Saturn also makes no aspects to personal planets except minor to moon and mercury.

I've always been very rebellious to authority. I wasn't the kind of kid (Or young adult) that would purposely do anything wrong (except speeding LOL). But I definitely had a defiant side. (Still do sometimes. I don't think it will ever go away completely) If I didn't like something, it didn't matter who the person was, they certainly knew about it and I had little to no fear in burning bridges and destroying relationships or opportunities to prove a point.

As I've gotten older, I've used it much more contructively. Communication with those in authroity to express what I think are problems and also trying to generate ideas to overcome them. Now rather than raw expression, I try to build and improve instead. Using my Mercury trine Jupiter to generate ideas.

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posted February 21, 2015 04:25 AM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
i have aries moon square venus, uranus, sesqui quadrate Pluto.

My moon is at the end of 11th house but it does feel like 12th at time, and it is also my fire singleton.

I am not sure how to interpret it. I mean I am an aqua with earth heavy so I don't tend to feel much any way (in the watery sense). I have strong opinions and feelings about certain subjects but I am very much rational (or I'd like to think)

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I have Moon square Venus too, and what I've read about it (and I fully resonate with), is that it can introduce an internal conflict which the native tries to resolve by projecting onto romantic relationships, which he/she is never happy with because they satisfy either only the Moon or only Venus. So it's all about resolving this internal conflict within yourself first in order to have a fulfilling relationship.

I'm not sure how this resonates with you, especially since other aspects contribute a lot, but if Venus conjuncts your nodal axis, I'd guess that relationships would be a life-theme for you and the Moon squaring this could hold a lot of potential and insight as to how to approach these placements.

posted February 21, 2015 04:28 AM            

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Originally posted by lalalinda:
Hello Saturn Fan! Welcome to LL

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posted February 21, 2015 04:33 AM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
My skipped step is jupiter. It's square my NN. Sagittarius is intercepted falling completely in my 6th house. I have tried to figure this out and I still have no idea

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What is your relationship with religion and belief systems? Since you're obviously into astrology, this shows that you've done some searching beforehand - it might be that Jupiter is what has sent you this way. There might be themes around wealth - managing it with a sense of purpose (not wastefully), or earning it via following your life's purpose.

Any of this resonate? I'm still trying to figure it all out myself too.

posted February 21, 2015 04:35 AM            

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Originally posted by AngaCrowley:
If thats the case, I havent skipped anything. I ... definitely doubt that, lol.

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posted February 21, 2015 05:00 AM            

My pluto is in7th so relationships transforms me but my venus conjunct nose in a wide orb (8 degree) while uranus has a closer conjunct (5 orb) so I feel the uranus more. I'm actually not very relationship oriented and have no interests in marriage or children.

posted February 21, 2015 07:02 AM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
What is your relationship with religion and belief systems? Since you're obviously into astrology, this shows that you've done some searching beforehand - it might be that Jupiter is what has sent you this way. There might be themes around wealth - managing it with a sense of purpose (not wastefully), or earning it via following your life's purpose.

Any of this resonate? I'm still trying to figure it all out myself too.

ETA: I found the following on your placement http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/forum/index.php?topic=503.0;wap2

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posted February 21, 2015 11:18 AM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
@Saturn Fan: well my sun is in Aqua so my sun and moon are in pretty compatible signs. I'm very saturnian and saturn sextile my moon. I think moon square venus doesn't play out as badly to me because I tend to either date air subs with strong earth or water emphasis or Scorpios (who has firey chemistry with aries enery) any way so I don't feel like one side of me is fulfilled and another is not. But I do feel that my values are in conflict with my family's and I do have the people pleaser charms that moon-venus people have.

My pluto is in7th so relationships transforms me but my venus conjunct nose in a wide orb (8 degree) while uranus has a closer conjunct (5 orb) so I feel the uranus more. I'm actually not very relationship oriented and have no interests in marriage or children.

I think the issues of skipped steps with me is getting over the emotional impulses and reach the capricorn integrity. I skipped steps a lot in my life and learned the hard way to have to go back and build things up brick by brick

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posted February 21, 2015 11:19 AM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
@saturnfan- wow, this is a really interesting interpretation; thank you so much for sharing! I think you just might be right on with this It makes a lot of sense!

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posted February 21, 2015 06:48 PM            

However, there are some potential cracks in the foundation for this theory in my view. What is he using as a basis for judging someone's past? He can only look at their present life or at the birth chart of the person's present incarnation.

I will skip some doubts I have about the notions expressed relating to evolving, de-evolving and how they arrived at their information and assessments.

Green's description of the theory and what it implies is really loaded when you apply it to an actual chart:

Premise: The Node that last formed a conjunction to the planet squaring the nodal axis is the one through which the person must work. This is the node that he sees as consistently being the one that creates integration point for the opposite node and its implied energies.
- In my chart Mars 5*32' Gemini squares N.Node 10*08' Pisces and last made a conjunction with it. That plants things squarely in the 6th house operating through the Neptune principle as well in the 3rd.

He says the opposite Node will then show what has already been acted upon in previous lives and is not 'new' - in my case the South Node/12th/Virgo/Mercury.
- How is he certain of this? Is he accessing people's akashic records? Doing hypnotic regressions?
There must be some reference point outside astrology for such assertions to move forward with confidence.

Then he makes an almost staggering, sweeping assertion:

"In all three areas--the planet squaring the node, the houses and signs of the North and South Nodes, and the location of their planetary rulers--have not been consistently developed, causing this fluctuation."

Write that down ... I'll write mine down:

- Mars
- 6th & 12th houses
- Pisces & Virgo
- rulers Neptune & Mercury
- 3rd house (Neptune)
- 9th house (Mercury)

His assertion applied to my chart seems at least somewhat contradictory to what I know about my own past lives.

All those areas are supposedly underdeveloped, leading a 'fluctuation' of efforts at developing the two opposite ends of the nodal axis.

I want time to digest this assertion and all its implications.

I'm sure Green has observed patterns related to the charts of numerous people that have helped him form this theory. However, I tend to lean personally in the direction that this is an overreaching of the meaning in terms of 'evolutionary' progress/regression.

If anyone can point me to the bases for his assertions, i.e., outside astrology, please do.

What is interesting is that Jeffrey Green's business partner, fellow astrologer Noel Tyl has stated that you *cannot* tell a person's evolutionary level from their birth chart. I might have to hear him elaborate on that <if anyone wants to post such quotes> to see exactly what he means.

I'm not a student of either of those authors/astrologers and not particularly impressed with Tyl's writing or astrological methodology (I have one of his books).

posted February 21, 2015 07:02 PM            

I didn't read through the entire thread, but glanced at the last response from Kannon.

My NN is at 5 Sag
Squared by Sun at 6.45 Pisces
Moon at 5.46 Virgo.

Hey, we're even Pacific Northwest neighbors (as the crow flies).

posted February 22, 2015 02:47 AM            

I've got CHIRON square my NODES (0º10); it last made a conjunction to the NNODE, at 0º ARIES, on Valentine's Day (evidently) in 1969. That's quite a jump though, from 1980. I feel I'm misinterpreting something.

Or is it the last point which was conjunct the NODES? Which one? NNODE? SNODE?

VENUS was the last planet to be conjunct the NNODE; when the SUN was at 0º LIBRA, actually. (Huh. That's kind of cool, really.) The MOON was conjunct the SNODE.

So, I can certainly do my own research, but I'm not quite following. Is this for those who don't have a very obvious point square the NODES?

posted February 22, 2015 03:02 AM            

So, in 1977, CHIRON (which natally squares my NODES, as stated in the last post, 0º10) was conjunct the tSNODE, 0º. My mistake.