posted February 20, 2015 05:57 AM            

Which one represents death?

If Neptune is illusions and confusion, then why does it represent Karma?

Pluto seems more like a 'Judgement Day' type planet to me. There's no bullsh*tting with Pluto (or Saturn for that matter, except Pluto seems like the trial, and Saturn like the prison sentence).

posted February 20, 2015 09:19 AM            

But to answer your question, the 8th house is associated with death, but supposedly the 12th house is associated with self-undoing and perhaps the final stage of life, but not death itself. I really can't make that click. I would think the ASC symbolically represents rebirth, or a crossing over from the dying time (12H final degrees) to new life (first degrees of first house.)

posted February 20, 2015 04:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
Ummm…actually, in the classic astrology books, the 4th house usually represents death, the grave, and conditions at the end of life (e.g. when you look at Sepharial's take). 8th house would more be the manner of death, 12th house shows hospital stays and confinement/childbirth…etc.

I don't think a particular planet represents death as such. But different planets have been associated with particular manners of dying, such as Neptune - poisoning and drowning; Uranus - electrocution, accidents; Mars - injury from sharp objects, knives; surgery; Jupiter - growths/tumors; Venus - diabetes and so on.

Geez, what a morbid topic

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posted February 20, 2015 04:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
Yes, and I think it's also because the IC represents the midnight point of the sun - literally the darkest time of the day, when the Sun is as far from the horizon as it gets.

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posted February 20, 2015 04:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
Ummm…actually, in the classic astrology books, the 4th house usually represents death, the grave, and conditions at the end of life (e.g. when you look at Sepharial's take). 8th house would more be the manner of death, 12th house shows hospital stays and confinement/childbirth…etc.

I don't think a particular planet represents death as such. But different planets have been associated with particular manners of dying, such as Neptune - poisoning and drowning; Uranus - electrocution, accidents; Mars - injury from sharp objects, knives; surgery; Jupiter - growths/tumors; Venus - diabetes and so on.

Geez, what a morbid topic

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What a very unusual house for death to be in.
I just don't see how cancer/the moon/mother/nurturer is relating to death, birth, yes...death, no.
I see the nightine/midnight connection with the moon/IC but it's not as natural of a fit as Pluto and/or Neptune, both of which are death related but it very different ways.

But I have not read Sepharial's take...all I can say is at first hearing of it, it isn't a good fit with me.

I have Pluto conjunct AC, 1st house side.
I've had several near death experiences but never came close enough to do anything but scare me. I was never actually injure, except with my sons birth.

My son also has Pluto conjunct AC, but Pluto sits in 12th house...he's been in the hospital 2 times in his life for extended periods of time not expected to live. Lost half his blood(by volume) twice, once from external blessing 2nd was internal bleeding later that night. He was only 8 months old. Then he nearly died again, they were able to revive him though, he was 1n half years old.
We both nearly died at his birth...I went into a coma for 4 days.
I have 4 children, never had problems like this with any of them except my son with Pluto in 12th on AC.

I've never heard horror stories about moon conjunct AC and near death experiences.