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deepseablues
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posted March 24, 2015 12:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for deepseablues     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I often wonder and think about, what Earth's natal chart might look like if we could know? What would the placements/aspects be? And furthermore, I often wonder about the Karma of Earth/Gaia (so this thread is obviously geared towards those who believe in Karma...)

What did Mother Earth/Gaia "do" to "deserve" the Karma she experiences, through humans and other (ET) races? Why would she "sign up" for this incarnation/experiences she is having?

Thoughts? Opinions?

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posted March 24, 2015 01:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Technically, Earth would have formed well before the astrological signs, and besides, I think astrology only works because sentient life gave them the meanings they do and the planet may be immune to that, and she's certainly from before that.

As for karma...I believe in that, but more in the traditional sense than new age sense, that is as cause and effect and amoral as gravity rather than one plans it out with a mentor to learn and grow on some higher plane of existence (though that may happen as well).

As for what Earth could have "done..." Well nature is incredibly brutal in a way we humans now insulated and protected from the worst of it by our technology and science can't understand. It's not just the gazelle as it bleats in agony, still alive, while lions are already feasting on it or the spider stung into paralysis to serve as food for the larvae of a wasp. It's the maggots that come out the skin of still living beings or countless parasites that still infect lifeforms (human and otherwise) to this day should they drink of the water or even just fall in which will turn them into pain wracked skeletons urinating blood or cause their brain to swell until it kills them. Heck, plenty of animals attack each other for fun (I recall one particularly interesting footage of killer whales having a grand time biting into and tossing a seal around like a game of ball, or dogs with a bone).

As said in World War Z (and quoted here for truth), "Nature is a serial killer." Forget the Disney and Miyazaki anime that portrays nature as gentle and friendly, it's often without mercy. People today often wonder why our ancestors lived in the smelly, filthy, diseased, polluted and poisoned death traps that were cities once upon a time (far more filthy and polluted than today with possible notable exceptions of cities like Magnitogorsk or even Mexico City, though any city in the third world with a lot of livestock roaming free is probably a contender) and it's because it was better and less deadly than the alternative of living in nature which was also deadly, unpredictable, frequent starvation and deprivation, and often loneliness and despair (and that's before factoring in the people who would often happily rob and kill them, sometimes with sadistic fun thrown in, in the name of their own survival and madness from such endurance of a harsh natural world). Even today it can be brutal and dangerous to live in rural regions (despite the technology now available and other factors that prevent predators, human and otherwise, from overwhelming them) where they're at the mercy of nature with little aid from civilization.

Mother Earth is a harsh mistress and if there's justice as we humans understand the concept involved at work on some cosmic level then perhaps we're as much the judgment against our earth mother as much as our mother is a judgment against us (and all life here, and probably everywhere). I know it's not a comforting thought for those who like to believe in a benevolent universe or creator but I'm more interested in truth than pretty lies.

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posted March 24, 2015 01:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This might be of interest, a very brief artistic look at the (roughly) beginning of life on Earth to the detonation of the atom bomb (called "Neverwhere Land"):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miar5eKG4uY

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posted March 24, 2015 01:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Swanlake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
..."nature is incredibly brutal...."

That's an extremely bizarre and lopsided view
what you said up there Pixie Jane!!
What about the earth's bounty?????
And the beauty of nature?
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What a tragedy that our present technological age has wreaked more damage to our earth in the past eighty years than in all of the past 2000 yrs! The destructive greed of those psycopathic monsters who rule over the rest of mankind,to whom we are but cattle!
As to Karma- it only applies to thinking acting entities, which obviously a planet is not!!!!

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posted March 24, 2015 01:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for deepseablues     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting opinions PixieJane..

There are some schools of thought or theories that the "harshness" of nature is merely a reflection of our inner psyches... that animals can be so brutal because they learned it from us.. theories that the animals learned how to kill from us, that their behavior is merely a reflection of ours, that if our collective consciousness was more evolved, this would be reflected in the nature around us. If one believes that the outer is a manifestation of the inner, as within so without...

I also believe that the meaning of the planets/signs exist before/beyond sentient life gave meaning to them, I believe that we merely tapped into their already existing meaning, not that we created the meaning itself. So I disagree on that one. I'm also not sure if the Earth is older than all the signs..

But obviously we are all entitled to our own opinions etc, I am just saying where my thoughts differ, not saying they are true or right or wrong. I opened this thread to try and stretch my own thoughts and hear different perspectives (just in case this is interpreted in any other way than musing/friendly debate. Because it's hard to know the tone when reading text so I just want to ensure that it's clear there is no heat to my musing's, just stating thoughts and ideas etc)

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posted March 24, 2015 02:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well the earth is material like our physical bodies so I would think Capricorn or earth signs would have to do with that.. But in esoteric astrology Earth is ruled by Sagittarius.

As for the Karma the Earth is just a temporary home where we can experience material life to evolve ourselves as souls to gain wisdom through being falsely separated from our divinity. All you see around is the result of collective consciousness and the earth is patiently waiting the day when the collective consciousness has evolved into Christ consciousness so that we may complete our earthly lessons and achieve heaven on earth.

The earth has destroyed civilizations before such as Atlantis whenever the human race becomes a threat. She turns the tide of darkness upon itself.

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posted March 24, 2015 02:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus2tinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your question about Earth and Karma is beautiful and it made me think about men and angels in religion. I won't be specific about which religions I'm thinking about (more than one) because I am just sharing an idea.

Angels are the wide eyed divine. If you believe in angels and you were to feel the presence of one you would suddenly feel you have just what you need in that moment and more. We see angels as (representing) higher power. Then why, in texts are the angels told to bow to Adam? Adam is special because he knows the names- And before God breathed His breath into Adam, the Angels were afraid of him. "the sound his dry clay made when they hit it". Manifestation

and the Fallen Angels, who were jealous of men. Why did they descend? They took women and taught forbidden secrets. Because of life and death. Everyone wants it. men and angels and Earth. She's here because she wants to be like everyone else wants to be. She is just special enough to flourish and suffer and live and die. The other planets live, but I don't think they will experience death the way she will (speaking in the eternal/karmic sense). Even compared to great Jupiter (angels on an orbit), Earth is exalted.

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posted March 24, 2015 02:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Swanlake:
..."nature is incredibly brutal...."

That's an extremely bizarre and lopsided view
what you said up there Pixie Jane!!
What about the earth's bounty?????
And the beauty of nature?


What about it? It's irrelevant to why Earth would be having a hard time, whether you think of karma the way I do or the more popular new age (and anthropomorphized) way.

I never denied that there's beauty, bounty, love, and joy in nature as well as horror, pain, deprivation, and despair. While I'm at it I could point out some good traits (from kindness and mercy to how they can look good) of plenty of serial killers and mass murderers as well. Acknowledging the brutality of nature doesn't therefore preclude more positive aspects (which may or may not just be a matter of perspective, especially as bounty to wolves is death and horror to many different animals, planting a garden typically necessitates the killing of varmints and insects which in turn deprives predators that feed on them and so on) as well.

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posted April 09, 2015 06:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And the "winner" of the biggest polluter of the aeon on earth goes to....Mother Earth!
http://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/acidic-oceans-implicated-in-earths-worst-mass-extinction/ar-AAaEMjX

Did she really think she'd get away with that!?

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