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Topic: Magi was right all along!
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Aubyanne Moderator Posts: 6756 From: The Multiverse Registered: Sep 2014
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posted March 28, 2015 12:48 PM
Not sure I buy that. However, I don't doubt that JUNO might have some sexual relation to it in some regard. Which would explain its 1º-2º conjunction to SATURN and ALMA for me (as it's also my 5R). I'm asexual, actually. So is my boyfriend, who has his VENUS 5º from his JUNO. Perhaps it's got more weight in the composite in regards to the type of sexual relationship two may have. It's 1º conjunct VALENTINE and MERCURY for us, 11H. This makes some sense, as we're very scientific, curious and even studious about our sexual relationship, though its inherently loving, and existent at all because we're such strong friends with a genuine basis of respect and appreciation. Well, that's interesting ... with my husband it's 2º conjunct URA. Our sexual relationship (and marriage in general) is certainly unconventional and has never truly been traditional. But then aren't we going with JUNO as the sort of commitment or partnership we're having? In either respect -- whether it's describing my marriage or the sexual relationship that's a part of it, URA would apply. And as to my boyfriend? I can see why MERC would be a good description for our very 'mercurial' yet deeply and genuinely loving relationship based in true friendship. Hm. Hard to say. IP: Logged |
Peluches Knowflake Posts: 1472 From: the sky Registered: Jul 2014
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posted March 28, 2015 01:29 PM
While it's obvious the Magi have done a lot of research and I won't disregard that, the few theories which have worked for me so far are the Juno 'most Sexual Planet' ones, as Auby mentioned, and it's linkages to other 'Sexual Planets' -- i.e. Venus, Mars, Pluto. The so-called '(Super) Romantic Linkages' have kinda worked too, but they seem to show good, if not very good affinity, without necessarily promising an actual relationship or a friendship at its best (there were always ups and downs). Aside from that, I remain sceptical about the opposition and square considered bad and not even counted, as single aspects (not part of a pattern -- the Magis are very fond of that) I mean, in synastries.IP: Logged |
peony Knowflake Posts: 1143 From: U.S. Registered: Dec 2014
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posted March 31, 2015 01:29 AM
Gemini, something that came up for me recently is people who commented may not be familiar with Magi's orbs which could change what is or is not a Juno aspect.IP: Logged |
peony Knowflake Posts: 1143 From: U.S. Registered: Dec 2014
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posted March 31, 2015 01:42 AM
quote: Originally posted by Aubyanne: I'm asexual, actually.So is my boyfriend, who has his VENUS 5º from his JUNO.
Magi doesn't consider this a conjunction. An orb of up to three degrees is allowed, unless it's part of planetary geometry involving three or more planets, in which case one planet is allowed an orb of 4.0. IP: Logged |
Gemini30 Knowflake Posts: 738 From: Los Angeles Registered: Sep 2014
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posted March 31, 2015 05:04 AM
quote: Originally posted by peony: Magi doesn't consider this a conjunction. An orb of up to three degrees is allowed, unless it's part of planetary geometry involving three or more planets, in which case one planet is allowed an orb of 4.0.
Peony, correct me if im wrong, but wouldnt that be considered parallel? I believe parallel is 2 planets in the same sign but doesnt create a conjunction aspect? Also what exactly is a contra parallel? Ive lost myself on trying to figure what a contra parallel is.
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Enneline unregistered
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posted March 31, 2015 05:19 AM
One of my very best friends has a close mars/juno conjunction and she lives like a nun, despises affairs and onsIP: Logged |
Ceridwen unregistered
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posted March 31, 2015 06:37 AM
quote: Originally posted by Gemini30: Peony, correct me if im wrong, but wouldnt that be considered parallel? I believe parallel is 2 planets in the same sign but doesnt create a conjunction aspect?Also what exactly is a contra parallel? Ive lost myself on trying to figure what a contra parallel is.
parallel and contraparallel are the aspects in the declination. Magi uses an orb of 1.2 (1°12) in geocentric, and uses the latitudes for heliocentric and an orb of 0.3 (0°18). They only use the 12th harmonic aspects, and lately expanded to the 7th zodiac, which is actually just another name for the 7th harmonic aspects (septile, biseptile, triseptile). I do think they occasionally use the quintile and biquintile as well, calling them "chaotic aspects". But the basic ones seem to be the 12th harmonic aspects (the signbased aspects within a 3 degree orb, or 4 degree orb for one aspect, if part of planetary geometry). They give most emphasis to the conjunction, trine and quinkunx (linkages, unless Saturn is part of the quinkunx, then it is an activation - a challenging aspect) and the square and opposition (activations). Sextile and semisextile are only used when they are being part of planetary geometry, which is actually the basis of the interpretation (and I agree with them on that - isolated aspects are just blocks to build the castle of interpretation, but the castle itself is based on several aspects being part of a larger configuration). Juno can be very sexual due to her passionate nature, if paired with the sexual planets Venus, Mars and Pluto. It seems to be like that also when paired with Chiron, due to Chiron`s relation to the physical (goes deeper than just the physical though, but it has a lot to do wtih "touch" in what way ever, it is nto a coincidence tha his name is derived from the greek for "hand"). He`s the bridge between the soul ( or maybe spirit) and the physical (hence he is located between Saturn and Uranus, going beyond the physical into the transpersonal or spiritual, and has the very difficult task to balance those two antagonistic energies somehow - that is of course not Magi interpretation. While I do agree that Chiron aspects are meaningful in synastry and that Juno aspects are or can be passionate and sexual, I believe the reasons for them being that is different than what the Magi say. As for their research, well, honestly, everyone can say or write anything. I can tell you I have researched 10000 synastry chart and found out that Mercury really means you will be out of your head, overcome with passion if it has linkages in synastry to what planet ever. Does that mean you have to believe me? Of course not. I have not even shown you the parameters of my research or the example charts or anything to back up my claim. And I am not even getting into the possibility that an observed result might be associated with the wrong reason or source. For example: In a certain city in England it was observed that children were getting Cancer more often than usual. At the same time they observed that more storks were nesting there than in any other place in England. Conclusion: The presence of storks heightens the probability children will get Cancer. Right? Of course not. It`s more likely the nuclear power plant nearby had something to do with it (and luring the storks closer because of the warmth it generates). )
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peony Knowflake Posts: 1143 From: U.S. Registered: Dec 2014
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posted March 31, 2015 09:40 AM
quote: Originally posted by Gemini30: Peony, correct me if im wrong, but wouldnt that be considered parallel? I believe parallel is 2 planets in the same sign but doesnt create a conjunction aspect?
Hi Gemini, it is a conjunction. What I meant was five degrees isn't considered in aspect because it's too wide according to Magi's rule. Hope that's clear. I don't want to give you wrong information. There's a lot of that floating around. To be sure, I'd suggest going to the Magi website or Magi Helena. I heard her do a reading on the radio and I was impressed, not only with her skills, but her as a person. IP: Logged |
Chiemi Knowflake Posts: 2110 From: Michigan Registered: Feb 2012
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posted March 31, 2015 09:40 PM
Hmm, I don't know if the semi-square counts, but I have Mars semi-square juno at 1'12.I also have Mars/Jupiter/Pluto in 5th, and Moon square Pluto. I would say that I do have a high drive and that I am pretty sexual - or at least comfortable with my sexuality but I'm not promiscuous. I've only been with one guy. IP: Logged |
peony Knowflake Posts: 1143 From: U.S. Registered: Dec 2014
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posted March 31, 2015 10:14 PM
quote: Originally posted by Chiemi: Hmm, I don't know if the semi-square counts, but I have Mars semi-square juno at 1'12.I also have Mars/Jupiter/Pluto in 5th, and Moon square Pluto. I would say that I do have a high drive and that I am pretty sexual - or at least comfortable with my sexuality but I'm not promiscuous. I've only been with one guy.
Hi Chiemi, the semi-square is not among the aspects used in Magi Astrology. IP: Logged |
Gemini30 Knowflake Posts: 738 From: Los Angeles Registered: Sep 2014
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posted March 31, 2015 11:36 PM
quote: Originally posted by peony: Hi Chiemi, the semi-square is not among the aspects used in Magi Astrology.
Exactly. I bet if he/she did have a Juno enhancement aspect then this person probably be super promiscuous! Hey Peony, a parallel example would be like Juno at 12 degrees cancer and venus at 27 degrees cancer right? And although Magi makes no mention of Juno squares or oppositions, how do you feel about the square and opposition? IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 157711 From: I hold a Juris Doctorate (J.D.) and a Legum Magister (LL.M.)! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 02, 2015 07:37 PM
Not sure how I feel about Magi yet.IP: Logged |
peony Knowflake Posts: 1143 From: U.S. Registered: Dec 2014
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posted April 03, 2015 01:32 AM
quote: Originally posted by Gemini30: Hey Peony, a parallel example would be like Juno at 12 degrees cancer and venus at 27 degrees cancer right?
Hi Gemini, no, that's not correct. A parallel is "two or more planets at the same degree North or South in the geocentric declinations or heliocentric latitudes within magi orbs." To find these, go to astro.com and get a chart. When you have the chart on the screen, look towards the upper left side of the page and click on "Additional Tables (PDF)." Another page will appear. Where it says "Planetary Positions," you'll see a column for each the planets. In the far right column are the geocentric Declinations. You'll see the degrees, North and South, for each of the planets. Two or more planets having the same degree north or "N" is a parallel. Two of more having the same degree, one being north "N" and one being south "S", is a contra parallel. I hope that's clear. In the column with the heading "Latitude," these are the heliocentric latitudes. Here are the orbs for each: Geo Parallel 1.2 Geo Contra-parallel 1.2 Helio Parallel 0.3 Helio Contra-latitude 0.3 quote: And although Magi makes no mention of Juno squares or oppositions, how do you feel about the square and opposition?
Magi refers to squares and oppositions of Juno with the sexual planets as "sexual clashes." These are characterized as creating an initial attraction which burns out or leads to conflict. I haven't observed these aspects personally. IP: Logged |
Gemini30 Knowflake Posts: 738 From: Los Angeles Registered: Sep 2014
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posted April 03, 2015 02:46 AM
quote: Originally posted by peony: Magi refers to squares and oppositions of Juno with the sexual planets as "sexual clashes." These are characterized as creating an initial attraction which burns out or leads to conflict. I haven't observed these aspects personally.
I checked Cameron Diaz has Venus square Juno and she has stated she travels to far distances to spend time with her sexual partners!Thank you for responding back Peony! It's a little more clear. You said 2 or more planets in the same degree of NORTH are parallel. So looking at my own chart, my venus in declination is at 7.35 N and my Juno in Declination is at 7.26 N. Is that a parallel? Sorry Peony, don't understand why i'm not totally getting this  IP: Logged |
peony Knowflake Posts: 1143 From: U.S. Registered: Dec 2014
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posted April 03, 2015 05:47 PM
quote: Originally posted by Gemini30: I checked Cameron Diaz has Venus square Juno and she has stated she travels to far distances to spend time with her sexual partners!
I don't have any information about how these relationships work out for her to verify the "clash" concept regarding Diaz's square. I don't know if these are brief encounters or not, but I imagine one could avoid the conflict with fleeting interactions with changing partners. quote: You said 2 or more planets in the same degree of NORTH are parallel. So looking at my own chart, my venus in declination is at 7.35 N and my Juno in Declination is at 7.26 N. Is that a parallel?
Yes, that's a parallel! I'm glad you asked because I should have said "two or more planets in the same degree of north "N" AND two or more planets in the same degree of south "S"" are parallel. IP: Logged |
Gemini30 Knowflake Posts: 738 From: Los Angeles Registered: Sep 2014
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posted April 05, 2015 02:00 AM
quote: Originally posted by peony: Yes, that's a parallel! I'm glad you asked because I should have said "two or more planets in the same degree of north "N" AND two or more planets in the same degree of south "S"" are parallel.
Thanks alot Peony! I now understand what a Parallel, Contra-parallel/lattitude aspects are! Seeing as i do have a Parallel aspect with Venus/Juno, i would say i'm highly sexual, i think about it everyday, even at times when i shouldn't be thinking about it but i'm not promiscuous at all. And i'm a guy  I think the Conjunctions and Trines are way more powerful than the Parallel IP: Logged |
erickaf Knowflake Posts: 2042 From: Europe Registered: Oct 2014
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posted April 05, 2015 07:43 AM
If this is true it will explain a lot of my nature...I have Mars exact contra-parrallel Juno...its hard for me to be faithful and well I can be highly sexed...I used to think its just a scorpio trait LOL but my best friend has scorpio sun and moon and she doesn't even like sex...imagine that!IP: Logged |
peony Knowflake Posts: 1143 From: U.S. Registered: Dec 2014
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posted April 05, 2015 06:42 PM
quote: Originally posted by Gemini30: Thanks alot Peony! I now understand what a Parallel, Contra-parallel/lattitude aspects are! Seeing as i do have a Parallel aspect with Venus/Juno, i would say i'm highly sexual, i think about it everyday, even at times when i shouldn't be thinking about it but i'm not promiscuous at all. And i'm a guy  I think the Conjunctions and Trines are way more powerful than the Parallel
Gemini, you're welcome. If you don't mind my asking, is there something other than Juno, a planetary aspect or sign placement in your chart that would account for the high sex drive? IP: Logged |
Gemini30 Knowflake Posts: 738 From: Los Angeles Registered: Sep 2014
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posted April 05, 2015 10:56 PM
quote: Originally posted by peony: Gemini, you're welcome. If you don't mind my asking, is there something other than Juno, a planetary aspect or sign placement in your chart that would account for the high sex drive?
No I dont mind  I have Mars Opposition Neptune and Uranus (orbs are 7-8 degrees though) Mars trine Jupiter (only 6 deg orb) Moon trine mars (my closest aspect) MOON opp Venus (2nd closest aspect) And Moon conj pluto (9 deg orb) I have mars in gemini trine libra asc. My sun, mercury, and mars are in the 8th house. Out of those aspects, id say my moon trine mars, and 8th house placements contribute to my sexual nature. IP: Logged |
Robin Goodfellow Knowflake Posts: 312 From: Registered: Aug 2010
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posted April 06, 2015 06:28 PM
wow! this is all so fascinating! Where can I go to find my Juno aspects? IP: Logged |
yellowelevator Knowflake Posts: 437 From: Michigan/Neptune Registered: Nov 2013
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posted April 06, 2015 07:10 PM
Huh, this is interesting. If Juno does indeed have a sexual linkage to it, than my chart agrees lol.I have Juno conjunct Mars, and Venus square Juno. I have a few other aspects to it as well, such as Mercury sextile and Moon loosely conjunct. Eros is even loosely sextile. I wouldn't say I'm promiscuous, as I haven't been with a whole lot of people. But I'm no doubt a highly sexual person with a high sex drive, and will admit to thinking about sex a lot, probably even at the wrong times, lol. Most people would probably not even suspect that I'm highly sexual, as I don't really give any outward indications of an interest in sex. I'm in my first very serious relationship, so I can't say I've ever cheated or that by nature I would commit infidelity. But I have done my fair share of flirting with many people in the past, and engaging in sexual activities. I do not equate sex with love, unless it is done with total serious intent, and with someone I care deeply for. Of course right now, it is. And it is partially done to further and deeply express what I cannot express verbally, and that which is meant to be expressed physically. IP: Logged |
peony Knowflake Posts: 1143 From: U.S. Registered: Dec 2014
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posted April 06, 2015 08:14 PM
quote: Originally posted by Gemini30: Out of those aspects, id say my moon trine mars, and 8th house placements contribute to my sexual nature.
I agree. It'd be interesting to see if absent sign, planetary aspects or house placements, a Juno aspect to a sexual planet alone would result in increased sex drive. IP: Logged |
Robin Goodfellow Knowflake Posts: 312 From: Registered: Aug 2010
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posted April 06, 2015 08:21 PM
quote: Originally posted by yellowelevator: Huh, this is interesting. If Juno does indeed have a sexual linkage to it, than my chart agrees lol.I have Juno conjunct Mars, and Venus square Juno. I have a few other aspects to it as well, such as Mercury sextile and Moon loosely conjunct. Eros is even loosely sextile. I wouldn't say I'm promiscuous, as I haven't been with a whole lot of people. But I'm no doubt a highly sexual person with a high sex drive, and will admit to thinking about sex a lot, probably even at the wrong times, lol. Most people would probably not even suspect that I'm highly sexual, as I don't really give any outward indications of an interest in sex. I'm in my first very serious relationship, so I can't say I've ever cheated or that by nature I would commit infidelity. But I have done my fair share of flirting with many people in the past, and engaging in sexual activities. I do not equate sex with love, unless it is done with total serious intent, and with someone I care deeply for. Of course right now, it is. And it is partially done to further and deeply express what I cannot express verbally, and that which is meant to be expressed physically.
Hello YE where did you get your Juno info? IP: Logged |
yellowelevator Knowflake Posts: 437 From: Michigan/Neptune Registered: Nov 2013
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posted April 06, 2015 09:34 PM
quote: Originally posted by Robin Goodfellow: Hello YE where did you get your Juno info?
Hello! You can see it on astro.com when you go to Extended Chart Selection. Juno is in the scroll box under 'Additional Objects'. If you want to already see which aspects to Juno you have, I used http://www.configurationhunter.com/astrology-online/aspects.php The orbs might be a little off sometimes, but it automatically gives you written-out aspects from asteroids.  IP: Logged |
Robin Goodfellow Knowflake Posts: 312 From: Registered: Aug 2010
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posted April 07, 2015 04:32 PM
quote: Originally posted by yellowelevator: Hello! You can see it on astro.com when you go to Extended Chart Selection. Juno is in the scroll box under 'Additional Objects'. If you want to already see which aspects to Juno you have, I used http://www.configurationhunter.com/astrology-online/aspects.php The orbs might be a little off sometimes, but it automatically gives you written-out aspects from asteroids. 
Thanks! what do I put in for the time zone? IP: Logged | |