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MoonBunny
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posted March 24, 2015 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonBunny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello! I am having an ASC identity crisis lol. I always considered myself an Aries ASC, simply because according to my documented birth time that is what I was. So one day I was looking at my chart I noticed that I was an Aries ASC at 28 degrees. Out of pure curiosity I thought, let me see how many minutes past this would make me a Taurus ASC. Well it turns out that if I were born 4 minutes later, I'd be a Taurus ASC at 0 degrees. This not only changes my ASC, also it moves my 9th house Mars into the 8th to join my saturn and uranus there. I have read descriptions for both Aries and Taurus ASC over and over again, and I honestly feel both, which is conflicting because I have no Taurus anywhere in my chart (with the exception of my north node in Taurus. I feel the Aries is confusing because I have Venus in Aries, and a cuspy Sun at 29 degrees Pisces, so I keep thinking well maybe this is why I identify with Aries. Haha I am so confused! So I am going to make myself incredibly uncomfortable and post my picture in hopes that you smarties will help me figure this out .

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posted March 24, 2015 09:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Post your birth data and I may be able to give you a definitive answer. I can see the Pisces, but I'd rather not stab at it based on one picture alone. Let's look at where the rest of the plants are and with the specific data and I can tell what what possibilities actually exist for your Asc. It normally is not simply a matter of choosing 28/29 vs 0 degrees of the next sign.

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posted March 24, 2015 10:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted March 24, 2015 10:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonBunny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kannon, thank you! Do you want me to just post my chart?


here it is

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Again thank you!

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posted March 24, 2015 11:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would guess Taurus Ascendant based on appearance. Your eyes look Taurean to me. Aries has close-set eyes. Yours are more wide-set, which I associate with Taurus.

And Aries Sun/Moon or ASC - often have a slight eye problem, like being slightly cross-eyed. It's not very noticeable, but you can usually tell that their eyes are not properly aligned.

E.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strabismus

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posted March 24, 2015 11:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've noticed it with a few famous Aries-influenced people as well. Russell Crowe has it:

I'm guessing it's because Aries rules the head, so they are more prone to eye-related issues.

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posted March 24, 2015 11:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonBunny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Odette that is very insightful! Looking at Russell Crowe that is very true. Do you think its the same case with Shakira?? I think she is also an Aries Asc.

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posted March 25, 2015 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmm. well at-least your TOB is known.

I would say that you should play around with the MC/IC axis to the planets and see if anything rings a bell.

The MC arcs to square the Sun at age 19

Sun rules the 5th. So perhaps that was a year of creativity and artistic expression?

The MC opposes the Moon at age 2

Maybe you were too young to remember,but the Moon rules the 4th. But perhaps there was a move/birth/job change or something that occurred to affect the home dynamics?


The MC squares Venus at age 4.

Venus rules the 7th house. Perhaps your 1st interaction with boys or some boy crushing on you?

It could also have been a change in relationship of the parents i.e marriage/separation or even divorce?

The MC arcs to conjunct Mars at age 22.

The last one should be BIG because Mars rules your 1st house.

So something concerning your image/ outlook/ your appearance should happened at age 22.

I had natal Mars and Moon arc to square/ oppose my MC respectively at age 11. I had a car accident.

Physically I needed to be repaired and that same year,my sister was born.

Mars rules my 1st house(Physical body).Moon rules the 4th house(Home).

The square of both by the MC in the same year confirmed this MC was a sensitive degree.

Also,Mercury arced to conjunct the MC/oppose the IC two years later.That's when we moved houses.

Play around with the MC/IC axis.

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posted March 25, 2015 01:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moon Bunny,

This is a tough one because there are so many possibilities for your chart. 1 Taurus is possible. 27-28 Aries is possible. Statistically speaking and based on your picture here, Aries is most likely.

I do not believe you are Taurus rising because there are no angular aspects to an early Taurus chart to support the tapering, Aries-like facial outline you have. With a Pisces-only impression, the outline of the face tends to run in a smooth line tapering with no distinct cheek bones.

When we see the outline make a wave, as with your lovely face, over the cheekbones, then tapering inward again to the chin which punctuates bluntly rather than with a point, we are generally seeing Aries, very similar in effect to the Libra type.

With Asc 27-28 Aries you'd have Jupiter contra-parallel the Asc which would indicate an active, involved, generous, out-reaching nature.

As it is your chart has a 1st-7th interception which adds Taurus wholly to your 1st house and this may be the factor that leads you to identify with both signs.

I say keep your chart there and let's see if you have life events that confirm it. (Moves of residence, achievements, beginning/ending of jobs/relationships, etc).

If you don't mind sharing this could be quite instructional and helpful to others.

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posted March 29, 2015 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonBunny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aries23Degrees, Thank you sooo much for your insight !!

I don't want to talk about my childhood but I will answer starting from 19 years of age.

The MC arcs to square the Sun at age 19

Sun rules the 5th. So perhaps that was a year of creativity and artistic expression?

>> Yes it actually was, I'd say more accurately it started when I was 18. I started writing my fantasy novel, in which I did complete when I was 19. It was amazing!! I actually want to start writing again. I can only hope that I have the same gusto as I did at this period of time.

The MC arcs to conjunct Mars at age 22.The last one should be BIG because Mars rules your 1st house.So something concerning your image/ outlook/ your appearance should happened at age 22.

>> I would say it started more so around 21 years of age, I finally started to become comfortable/ accepted being 'female'. From the time I was 6, I strongly identified with being male. I wouldn't label it as I was a transgendered person, because it turned out not to be a permanent thing such as that is. I'd say it was more than just being a 'tom boy' without going into too much detail. But it finally ended when I decided to go to beauty school and learn to be a hairstylist. Guys also started to notice me, and I started to get the typical male attention that I never got before. I graduated from beauty school at 22 years of age.

Thank you for your example!! I will indeed play around with the MC/IC axis !!!


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posted March 29, 2015 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonBunny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kannon,

Thank you so much for all of your input!!
Aries it is then! I do have that wave along the side of my face as you said.

With Asc 27-28 Aries you'd have Jupiter contra-parallel the Asc which would indicate an active, involved, generous, out-reaching nature.

>> I'd say I definitely agree with this!! I am happiest when everyone else around me is also happy. So I outreach to make that happen.


I say keep your chart there and let's see if you have life events that confirm it. (Moves of residence, achievements, beginning/ending of jobs/relationships, etc).

If you don't mind sharing this could be quite instructional and helpful to others.


>> Do you mean look at the MC/IC AC/DC axes for the moves ending of jobs and such??

Well oddly enough Pluto is very close to my MC, and Mars is even closer to my AC. I am becoming increasingly angry and displeased at job. It's definitely a big ending approaching. I am already applying like crazy for other things/ on my way out the door even without another job lined up type of thing. I am calling it my current 'life crisis'

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posted March 29, 2015 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonBunny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aries23degrees, (I hope this isn't a double post)


Thank you very much for your insight!

I don't really want to discuss my childhood, but I will answer the questions about age 19 and 22.

19 was a super creative time for me. It truly began when I was 18, I started writing my fantasy novel. I finished writing my novel when I turned 19. It was an amazing experience, and I hope to capture that same energy again because I'd love to start writing this other story that I have in my mind.

22, something did indeed change about my appearance/outlook. From the age of 6 onward I had identified strongly with being 'male'.It was definitely more than just being a 'tom-boy'. However, Id did all change when I went to hair school at 21 years of age, in which I graduated at age 22. I definitely finally embraced being female at that time, and finally became comfortable with it. This was also the start of me receiving male attention.

I will definitely play around with the MC/IC axis as you have suggested to test things out !!

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posted March 29, 2015 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for maira     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I get a Taurus vibe

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posted March 30, 2015 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonBunny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Maria ^__^ all input is very appreciated.

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posted March 30, 2015 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for birdy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Going to say Aries rising with ruler in Sag.

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posted April 01, 2015 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonBunny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you birdy! That is what Kannon said too, I think I am going to stick with that . It makes me happy because I love Sagittarius in people.

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posted April 01, 2015 01:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theunknown     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
as a taurus asc .... I think you are a Taurus asc

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posted April 02, 2015 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonBunny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
theunkown, Do week have similar characteristics physically??? Very interesting ^__^ Thank you!

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posted April 02, 2015 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am with Odette. I feel Taurus.

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posted April 03, 2015 03:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh yes, I forgot the most basic thing of all.

The ruler of the house cusp(i.e Planet) counts more IME as to detecting where exactly trials/tribulations will come in transiting planets.

You are in luck. Uranus/Pluto have both transited your natal Venus in Aries.

With Aries Asc,the transit of Uranus to your Venus would have had a sudden "busy-ness" in the area of life that concerns your finances/relationships or both(as Venus rules the 7th and 2nd house).

Its either you made a huge purchase,had an increase/decrease in cash inflow, or find that you have to spend money/can't resist spending money at the drop of the hat. Usually though, on yourself(Venus in Aries).

Anything ring a bell? Because Uranus usually has that sort of disruptive effect on finances and it may have been hard to maintain a budget?

On the relationship front/social sphere, you may have gotten more invitations, felt that you want to broaden your social life or have been presented with plenty opportunities (often too many to accommodate at once and some let go of)to meet people for love interests or friendship?

Often these people have a very "Aries-like" quality or are independent of nature. Meet any Aries/Aquarius strongly flavored people lately?

Or if Taurus is Ascending,then Venus rules the 1st and 6th house.

Your daily routine,sleeping patterns,amount of work you have to do,diet or even exercise routine either got a fresh new outlook or got disrupted?(Uranus)

With Venus in Aries,independence or working alone at the office may have been emphasized. You may have wanted to work-out alone or maintain a certain level of autonomy over what you eat/how you exercise or live out your day to day routine.

On the image front,you may be more open to experimenting with your looks/wardrobe, meet up with very eccentric characters around this time, not able to make commitments as easily as you used to or want to be more independent?

In the latter, a hairdresser or image consultant with Aries/Aquarius placements may be found appealing. Or one that is slightly more boisterous and eccentric in taste and preferences.

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posted April 07, 2015 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonBunny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ami, Thank you for your input!! I appreciate it. Taurus again :0) I need to tally up the score.

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posted April 07, 2015 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonBunny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aries23degrees,

First of all thank you for your continued input, you are so nice !

<<With Aries Asc,the transit of Uranus to your Venus would have had a sudden "busy-ness" in the area of life that concerns your finances/relationships or both(as Venus rules the 7th and 2nd house).
Its either you made a huge purchase,had an increase/decrease in cash inflow, or find that you have to spend money/can't resist spending money at the drop of the hat. Usually though, on yourself(Venus in Aries).>>

--> About the finances, I have had a big change. My job isn't giving me as many hours as I'd like, and its hitting me hard. However, I find it hard to stop spending money as you said. Some days I am good, and some not so much. The problem is I like to spend money on my friends and boyfriends equally as much as myself. But I have definitely been spending money to enhance my outer imagine lately (clothes, skincare etc). But whats weird is after I check my bank account after being so worried it usually isn't as bad as I thought.


<<On the relationship front/social sphere, you may have gotten more invitations, felt that you want to broaden your social life or have been presented with plenty opportunities (often too many to accommodate at once and some let go of)to meet people for love interests or friendship?
Often these people have a very "Aries-like" quality or are independent of nature. Meet any Aries/Aquarius strongly flavored people lately?>>

---> I won't say I am anti-social completely, but I am very SELECTIVELY social rather. I have noticed a little more than before I get more invites to go do things. As a kid I didn't have many friends so this sudden influx is very new and can stress me out. However I am really grateful for it all nonetheless. I would say these invites period regardless of the person are very Aries/Uranian in nature. For some reason lately if someone asks me in advance to do something (often very vague with not many details, like lets 'hang out') I am more likely to end up declining than if someone asks me to day before/day of to go do something more exciting and specific (like go to a show or do a specific activity). So I guess that makes sense! But I will add my Aries friends are popping up more lately. And I have one guy friend who is very Uranian in nature around me a lot now.

<<<Or if Taurus is Ascending,then Venus rules the 1st and 6th house.
Your daily routine,sleeping patterns,amount of work you have to do,diet or even exercise routine either got a fresh new outlook or got disrupted?(Uranus)>>>>

----->Definitely disrupted, as I mentioned about the my hours at my job being cut. About sleeping, I definitely want to attempt to start waking up earlier period, however this has been a lifelong struggle. I used to exercise all the time, and it kept me more sane. Here lately not so much. Oddly enough I haven't gained much weight because of it, but mentally I am suffering from lack of exercise.

<<<<<With Venus in Aries,independence or working alone at the office may have been emphasized. You may have wanted to work-out alone or maintain a certain level of autonomy over what you eat/how you exercise or live out your day to day routine.>>>>>>

----> This part I am not so sure about. Here lately, I love working out with other people (as long as they aren't bossing me around). Working out alone is okay too, but I haven't enjoyed it as much I as used to lately. About the rest all I can say is that I love having control over my day to day routine, and here lately I haven't had much control which makes me uneasy and angry.


<<<<On the image front,you may be more open to experimenting with your looks/wardrobe, meet up with very eccentric characters around this time, not able to make commitments as easily as you used to or want to be more independent?
In the latter, a hairdresser or image consultant with Aries/Aquarius placements may be found appealing. Or one that is slightly more boisterous and eccentric in taste and preferences.>>>>>

----> If the commitments are important I always meet them. However casual ones I have trouble keeping lately, which sucks. About my wardrobe I would say the main thing that has changed is that i am wearing more make up nowadays. I am used to wearing zero. So I am playing around with that. Also I seem to like jewelry more (necklaces and rings...not expensive ones necessarily). Haha when I was in hair school I feel like I did all the cool uranian hair possible (rainbow colors, short hair etc). But now I am more reserved with it and more concerned with not frying it all the time. I have been wanting to cut my hair short for a while lately but I don't think I will go through with it. My hairstylist currently is a very conservative Virgo (haha!!).

Over all I'd say Aries rings more true, but again the Taurus has some truth in it as well.
But I felt I connected more with the Aries over all in this message.

Thank you again this was extremely helpful!

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posted April 08, 2015 09:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for theunknown     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MoonBunny:
theunkown, Do week have similar characteristics physically??? Very interesting ^__^ Thank you!

Aries Asc always a big grin or twinkles in their eyes even if they ware earth heavy or have a scorpio moon.

You can look at Taurus Asc eyes by checking celebs on astrotheme.com

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posted April 08, 2015 11:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonBunny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks! Will do.

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