posted March 27, 2015 02:41 PM            

But, anyway, I think astrologers who just tell you that a placement sucks, without giving you any tools to overcome that, suck themselves. Don't take them too seriously. They use astrology to tell themselves and others that the sky is falling.

In my opinion, the North Node in Scorpio is an awesome placement. My logic is the North Node is all about evolution and shedding old habits. And isn't that what Scorpio represents? Killing off old habits, transforming into a higher self? If the North Node was possibly exalted in any sign, I would think it would be Scorpio for that very reason. Sure, the South Node in Taurus means that old habits will die hard. But, this is a very empowering placement, once you transcend those old patterns. It can make you over into a completely new and improved individual.

posted March 27, 2015 02:45 PM            

Western astrologers tend to give much more proactive, empowering interpretations. Some can be a bit negative but not THAT negative.

posted March 27, 2015 02:49 PM            

I think almost everyone agrees that North Node loses its negative effect at its late stage (somewhere around early 30's)

And as we all know, Scorpio represents transformation.

So what I assume here is that, the gap between transformation and the maturity of North Node is very.. short here in comparison to other signs

posted March 27, 2015 02:50 PM              

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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
First off, just based on that whole system of "negative" placements that I LOATHE, no one can really say there's a weak placement for the North Node because no planet or sign rules the North Node. It's not like Cancer Moon being dignified because the Moon rules Cancer. So, the whole rule of dignities and falls is kind of null and void with the North Node.

But, anyway, I think astrologers who just tell you that a placement sucks, without giving you any tools to overcome that, suck themselves. Don't take them too seriously. They use astrology to tell themselves and others that the sky is falling.

In my opinion, the North Node in Scorpio is an awesome placement. My logic is the North Node is all about evolution and shedding old habits. And isn't that what Scorpio represents? Killing off old habits, transforming into a higher self? If the North Node was possibly exalted in any sign, I would think it would be Scorpio for that very reason. Sure, the South Node in Taurus means that old habits will die hard. But, this is a very empowering placement, once you transcend those old patterns. It can make you over into a completely new and improved individual.

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Great Post!

posted March 27, 2015 02:51 PM            

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Originally posted by midnightvenus:
That would be Aquarius, I guess.
This video is very helpful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzaaV5WtJ9A

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posted March 27, 2015 02:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
He's talking about Aquarius ASC here, not North Node. Aquarius does quite well as a North Node sign

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Agreed. I do love my Aquarius North Node. I've really been living it out throughout my twenties.

Basically, I'm just saying don't let someone else tell you what's negative or positive about your chart. It's really just a way of using astrology to be a bit down on yourself. There's a difference between saying some placements come with challenges and saying that they are "weak."

And, really, I don't know if I would ever describe a Scorpio placement as weak. It might bring some difficulties, sure, but once it's on a mission, it takes over the world. And the North Node is all about your spiritual mission. So, having Scorpio there, even if it takes a while for you to reap the positive benefits, has to be very powerful.

posted March 27, 2015 02:56 PM            

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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
First off, just based on that whole system of "negative" placements that I LOATHE, no one can really say there's a weak placement for the North Node because no planet or sign rules the North Node. It's not like Cancer Moon being dignified because the Moon rules Cancer. So, the whole rule of dignities and falls is kind of null and void with the North Node.

But, anyway, I think astrologers who just tell you that a placement sucks, without giving you any tools to overcome that, suck themselves. Don't take them too seriously. They use astrology to tell themselves and others that the sky is falling.

In my opinion, the North Node in Scorpio is an awesome placement. My logic is the North Node is all about evolution and shedding old habits. And isn't that what Scorpio represents? Killing off old habits, transforming into a higher self? If the North Node was possibly exalted in any sign, I would think it would be Scorpio for that very reason. Sure, the South Node in Taurus means that old habits will die hard. But, this is a very empowering placement, once you transcend those old patterns. It can make you over into a completely new and improved individual.

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Furtheremore... let's be honest to ourselves guys..Everyone has bad signs and good signs..
And to ignore the possibility of certain signs being weaker than others, defeats the purpose of astrology in my opinion, in a sense that astrology is all about self improvement and so on

posted March 27, 2015 03:08 PM            

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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
By the way, the info in the link in your OP is from a Vedic astrologer, which is often a very fatalistic branch of astrology. The post in the link doesn't look all that bad but, still, consider the source. I don't really listen to Vedic astrologers, no offense to anyone. But, they often use astrology as a narrow-minded prediction of doom or tragedy, in my experience. I advise people to take them with a grain of salt.

Western astrologers tend to give much more proactive, empowering interpretations. Some can be a bit negative but not THAT negative.

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posted March 27, 2015 03:09 PM              

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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
Furtheremore... let's be honest to ourselves guys..Everyone has bad signs and good signs..
And to ignore the possibility of certain signs being weaker than others, defeats the purpose of astrology in my opinion, in a sense that astrology is all about self improvement and so on

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I see it as I was born as I am for reasons that I may never fully understand.
There are things in my chart that are difficult. But even those difficult aspects offer gifts of their own.
Despite what shows to be a gift or an obstacle in my chart I carry on and push to be who I want to be. Nothing is set in stone. I've learned over years that if I really want to change something about myself, it may hurt or be an annoyance but I know the end result is what I want.

I'm babbling. Basically, I don't believe in looking at one of your squares fit example and telling yourself, "damn. I'm screwed." No, it's a challenge that is able to be conquered, or at least somewhat controlled.
Gifts lie in hidden places!
Anyone who looks at Bruce Lee's chart and knows a little about him well see that a "difficult" chart, let alone placement can be a blessing of sorts.

That said, the node to me is a very personal placement. Plenty of others may have it, but yours, in the house it's in, etc. Combined with your chart, really is quite powerful.

posted March 27, 2015 03:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
Furtheremore... let's be honest to ourselves guys..Everyone has bad signs and good signs..
And to ignore the possibility of certain signs being weaker than others, defeats the purpose of astrology in my opinion, in a sense that astrology is all about self improvement and so on

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Well, I'll have to respectfully disagree. The idea of "good signs" and "bad signs" is too simple and too judgmental. It slaps an easy little label on certain placements, placing them in categories that are just not that simple.

Besides, who's to say that exalted placements can't be challenging, for instance? I think that they can be a case of too much of a so-called "good" thing. Sun in Aries' assertiveness and desire to get what it wants can turn into complete self-involvement and insensitivity. Moon in Cancer's need to nurture and be nurtured can become so overwhelming that it becomes very co-dependent.

On the other hand, the so-called "weak" or "bad" placements can end up producing wonderful outcomes. I think the way that fallen placements go against the grain of the planet's traditional function can be the biggest blessing. Venus in Virgo, for example, might be very picky in love. But, those high standards can allow them to attract more satisfying, healthy relationships than those with other Venuses who are not as selective. Moon in Scorpio's really intense emotions is what can give the person the strength and inner resources to nurture (Moon) people through tough times that other people don't have.

There is a difference between saying "this placement has its challenges" and saying "this placement is bad." How do you qualify that term? And people being fed that does not often result in self-improvement. It often results in people thinking that they're screwed because of a certain placement and not being able to overcome those challenges, only seeing the negative.

I don't think placements should be sugarcoated. I always list the negative potentials of any placement on my blog, for example. But, I make sure to put something proactive in there, as well. The astrologers I respect most do the same. But, astrologers who simply say "this placement is weak" and repeat the same negative descriptions that we've heard 100 times before tend to provoke nothing but an eye-roll from me.

posted March 27, 2015 03:29 PM              

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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
And I apologize in advance DeepFreeze, nothing against you but I just find North Node in Scorpio absolutely fascinating (especially in 2nd house), and I MUST KNOW MORE

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posted March 27, 2015 03:37 PM            

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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
Well, I'll have to respectfully disagree. The idea of "good signs" and "bad signs" is too simple and too judgmental. It slaps an easy little label on certain placements, placing them in categories that are just not that simple.

Besides, who's to say that exalted placements can't be challenging, for instance? I think that they can be a case of too much of a so-called "good" thing. Sun in Aries' assertiveness and desire to get what it wants can turn into complete self-involvement and insensitivity. Moon in Cancer's need to nurture and be nurtured can become so overwhelming that it becomes very co-dependent.

On the other hand, the so-called "weak" or "bad" placements can end up producing wonderful outcomes. I think the way that fallen placements go against the grain of the planet's traditional function can be the biggest blessing. Venus in Virgo, for example, might be very picky in love. But, those high standards can allow them to attract more satisfying, healthy relationships than those with other Venuses who are not as selective. Moon in Scorpio's really intense emotions is what can give the person the strength and inner resources to nurture (Moon) people through tough times that other people don't have.

There is a difference between saying "this placement has its challenges" and saying "this placement is bad." How do you qualify that term? And people being fed that does not often result in self-improvement. It often results in people thinking that they're screwed because of a certain placement and not being able to overcome those challenges, only seeing the negative.

I don't think placements should be sugarcoated. I always list the negative potentials of any placement on my blog, for example. But, I make sure to put something proactive in there, as well. The astrologers I respect most do the same. But, astrologers who simply say "this placement is weak" and repeat the same negative descriptions that we've heard 100 times before tend to provoke nothing but an eye-roll from me.

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posted March 27, 2015 03:41 PM            

My most challenging placements have given me so much grief in my life, but have triggered so much growth as well - and I'm not breaking new ground by saying this, in some if not most astrology literature challenging aspects are described exactly as places for growth.

I don't believe in 'weak' placements. Especially when it comes to the Nodal Axis, which represents your soul's direction in this incarnation. How can you have a 'weak' direction?

posted March 27, 2015 03:48 PM            

First the Nodes' sign positions do not represent personal, specific energy dynamics. The nodes take about 1.5 on average to go through single sign pairs. That is even less personal than Jupiter (1 year/sign avg).

Also the nodes do not represent activities or energies of the same type as the planets. They have to do with a general orientation that will bring balance to your Soul expression as a human.

Think about how the Nodes are calculated by determining the point at which the Moon's path crosses the Sun's path (ecliptic). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_node

This is something like a moving mid-point between these two paths. Thus, we are not calculating the position of any body, luminary or planetary, but of a path. This is very important. A path might imply a particular destination that may or may not be visible on the horizon, but it should not be equated with such a specific destination.

Thus, the Nodes have to do with general orientation or direction.

So what does the North Node in Scorpio represent generally? Empowerment, depth, tenacity, self-possession, resourcefulness, passion.

To contrast it with its South Node being in Taurus, that draws from being natural, comfortable, accepting what comes, being grounded in earthiness. This is body/earthy/pleasure starting place that is practical.

The North Node in Scorpio represents more an aim towards one's imagined or felt potential, what one can gather into oneself -- as opposed to simply a comfortable place of meeting one's needs. N.Node in Scorpio: creative, spiritual potential; S.Node in Taurus: material/physical acceptance and pleasure orientation.

Now, having said that, it is very important to understand that these two Nodes are on a single axis, just like two ends of one stick. They are 'opposite' ends of one thing. You cannot separate them, especially into a 'bad' one and a 'good' one. You don't create balance in your Soul by rejecting what is associated with your S.Node to lunge at what is represented by your N.Node. Instead, we draw upon the S.Node/familiar/past in order to fuel our move towards the N.Node/unfamiliar/future.

Maybe we astrologers have poisoned the Nodal well by use of such terms as 'destiny' to refer to the N.Node's implications in our charts. There is no fixed destiny at which you are supposed to arrive. There is a general orientation, a landmark maybe, which if you pass it, you know you are headed in the right direction.

posted March 27, 2015 04:03 PM            

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Venusincap89,

First the Nodes' sign positions do not represent personal, specific energy dynamics. The nodes take about 1.5 on average to go through single sign pairs. That is even less personal than Jupiter (1 year/sign avg).

Also the nodes do not represent activities or energies of the same type as the planets. They have to do with a general orientation that will bring balance to your Soul expression as a human.

Think about how the Nodes are calculated by determining the point at which the Moon's path crosses the Sun's path (ecliptic). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_node

This is something like a moving mid-point between these two paths. Thus, we are not calculating the position of any body, luminary or planetary, but of a [b]path. This is very important. A path might imply a particular destination that may or may not be visible on the horizon, but it should not be equated with such a specific destination.

Thus, the Nodes have to do with general orientation or direction.

So what does the North Node in Scorpio represent generally? Empowerment, depth, tenacity, self-possession, resourcefulness, passion.

To contrast it with its South Node being in Taurus, that draws from being natural, comfortable, accepting what comes, being grounded in earthiness. This is body/earthy/pleasure starting place that is practical.

The North Node in Scorpio represents more an aim towards one's imagined or felt potential, what one can gather into oneself -- as opposed to simply a comfortable place of meeting one's needs. N.Node in Scorpio: creative, spiritual potential; S.Node in Taurus: material/physical acceptance and pleasure orientation.

Now, having said that, it is very important to understand that these two Nodes are on a single axis, just like two ends of one stick. They are 'opposite' ends of one thing. You cannot separate them, especially into a 'bad' one and a 'good' one. You don't create balance in your Soul by rejecting what is associated with your S.Node to lunge at what is represented by your N.Node. Instead, we draw upon the S.Node/familiar/past in order to fuel our move towards the N.Node/unfamiliar/future.

Maybe we astrologers have poisoned the Nodal well by use of such terms as 'destiny' to refer to the N.Node's implications in our charts. There is no fixed destiny at which you are supposed to arrive. There is a general orientation, a landmark maybe, which if you pass it, you know you are headed in the right direction.

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I am really lost..
So are you saying when it comes to nodal axis, it's only the house placement that matters??
All I am trying to ask is..
Which 'direction' is found to be difficult in comparison to other directions/path???
How does certain nodal axis differ in comparison to other nodal axis?
When we make such comparisons, are there certain nodal axis positions that strggule a bit more in comparison to others???

posted March 27, 2015 04:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
I see that it is political correctness that you are uncomfortable with.
Please forgive me but i meant to say... 'in comparison'
But Wouldn't you say that there are certain signs in your planet that you feel more comfortable with? In comparison to other signs you have?
I don't mean to over simplify the suggestion here but that is the basic approach to what I was trying to get at..
Once again, I do not underestimate the complexity of aspects and other variables, but I think we would be lying to our selves, if there isn't one single sign that we don't feel comfortable with
I once again apologize for political incorrectness

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Oh, no. No worries. A part of me gets where you're coming from. There are placements that, conventionally speaking, are or seem "easier" than others. But, I personally just don't like the idea of good or bad signs. Because, when you think about it, a sign isn't just a sign. It's always expressed through a person. So, saying this placement is "bad" means that you're saying, in a certain sense, this person is "bad." For what? Just being born? For having some not-so-great qualities, which we all have?

But, no, I don't think you were being politically incorrect and I wasn't offended at all. I was just making my point. It can sometimes just a bit hard to tell a person's tone online.

posted March 27, 2015 04:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
I am really lost..
So are you saying when it comes to nodal axis, it's only the house placement that matters??

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No. Nowhere did I say that. I spent a lot of words here describing the difference between Taurus and Scorpio in the S.Node/N.Node pair. Read it again.

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All I am trying to ask is..
Which 'direction' is found to be difficult in comparison to other directions/path???
How does certain nodal axis differ in comparison to other nodal axis?
When we make such comparisons, are there certain nodal axis positions that strggule a bit more in comparison to others???

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Nodal axes don't 'struggle.' People struggle. Struggle is a fight mostly within oneself.

If what you are asking for are signs of detriment and fall for the Nodes, there are none.

The Nodes are not planetary bodies so they do not resonate to any particular color frequencies which are the energetic basis for dignities and detriments. Furthermore, the classical method for determining particular dignities or detriments was to observe the heliacal rising position, which does not apply here because nodes are not planetary bodies, but phantoms which cannot be observed, only calculated.

If what you are looking for is struggle or difficulty, then you are creating it for yourself right here.

If what you are looking for is clarity, try reading the posts again -- mine and the89freespirit's post.

Besides, it is irrelevant how 'difficult' the placement might be. If it is your chart, then it only matters that you rise to the challenge.

posted March 27, 2015 04:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Nodal axes don't 'struggle.' People struggle. Struggle is a fight mostly within oneself.

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