posted April 03, 2015 02:20 PM            

People seem to like my simple articles. I believe in learning in as easy a way as possible. This sad( but very prevalent) subject is worth studying because it is NOT one’s fault if one was abused. Understanding this fact can help alleviate guilt, from which most abuse victims suffer. I know of what I speak because I endured abuse, as well.

1. Child Conjunct, Oppose or Square Dejanira

Dejanira is the victim asteroid. The Child asteroid shows the nature of your childhood. Hence, one can put together these two asteroids and come to the, likely, conclusion that the native suffered childhood abuse. One caveat with all asteroids. Then orb must be very close. Some Astrologers only accept an exact orb.

I accept up to a two degree orb with conjunctions and fewer with the other aspects. Sometimes, I will allow a three degree orb but will see the aspect as more ambient.

2. Moon Conjunct, Square or Oppose Dejanira

This aspect should be number one because it is worse. The Moon is a more pivotal planet to any native because the Moon is one’s soul. Hence, what fragments one’s soul is not to be taken lightly.

I have seen this fragmentation in almost every Moon/Dejanira I have seen. In a case or two, the person says she was not abused but I believe that she blocked it out, most likely. This can happen and that is why the self reports of people have to be assessed in the light of denial, which is a defense mechanism, in the event that pain becomes overwhelming. People may remember their abuse later or not at all. When this occurs, the person will suffer in other ways as a result of repression, such as experiencing headaches, stomachaches, food issues or insomnia. These are some common examples of the sequela of repression of abuse.

For general information, the conjunction is the strongest of aspects, due to it’s proximity of the planets.

3. Chiron conjunct the Sun

In all the cases that I have seen, these natives have abuse from the father. The closer the orb, the more intense the abuse. I cannot say this enough, in terms of orbs for asteroids. In these cases, the native seems to carry the father with her, in terms of her telling herself the same painful messages( verbal or physical) as her father. With exact conjunctions, it is very hard to overcome the situation. I believe a true relationship with God can overcome anything, though. Chiron carries with it the possibility of helping others, even if the native cannot find the same help which she is able to give.

I have not examine the square and opposition the same way I have the conjunction, so I will leave this entry with the conjunction, only. I like to talk from experience, only, not from reading other Astrologers, so I will have to watch the other Chiron aspects as I do charts and may comment later.

4. Chiron Conjunct the Moon

This is abuse from the Mother. I have seen the same pattern with the opposition and square but the conjunction seems to be more intense.

5. Chiron Conjunct Venus

This native seems to attract abuse in love, through no fault of her own. NOTHING is the fault of the native. If I can say one thing in my articles and on my website, it is this. Imparting this truth to others is one of the reasons that I do Astrology. Hence, with this native, there may be a string of painful love affairs. Again, the orb is key. People with a three degree orb and people with an exact orb will experience this aspect differently. That is part of the problem with self reports. One must look at the closest conjunctions when using asteroids( or Chiron) and base their conclusions accordingly.

6. Moon conjunct Saturn

I cannot classify this as abuse, per se. I would say that the native had a stern, perhaps cold, mother. The native, in turn, criticizes himself in the same manner he was taught by his mother. This native may feel as if he cannot “do anything right”. He may strive to be perfect because that was what was demanded in childhood.

7.Sun conjunct Saturn

This aspect is the same as the previous except for the stern relationship is with the father.

8. Saturn Conjunct the ASC

This cannot be said to be abuse, per se. This is a native who had to grow up early. This aspect is the aspect of the “little old man”, the child who is expected to be an adult.

9. Pluto conjunct the IC

This seems to be a tumultuous early home in all the cases I have seen.

10 Uranus conjunct the Moon

This native seems to have an instability with the mother. The mother may have been unstable or not present. The native may find commitment to be very painful, as a result. He may not like routine in jobs or the “sameness” of a long term relationship.

There are more aspects but I will stop at ten and ask for your wonderful input, as always.

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posted April 04, 2015 01:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
9. Pluto conjunct the IC

This seems to be a tumultuous early home in all the cases I have seen.

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posted April 04, 2015 02:24 AM            

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6. Moon conjunct Saturn

I cannot classify this as abuse, per se. I would say that the native had a stern, perhaps cold, mother. The native, in turn, criticizes himself in the same manner he was taught by his mother. This native may feel as if he cannot “do anything right”. He may strive to be perfect because that was what was demanded in childhood.

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posted April 04, 2015 04:18 AM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
[b] I 'felt' my mother was absent and our relationship is a strange one. I tell her everything but we only grew closer after my father passed away. I still feel like I am numbed when I'm around her in a way - which is strange considering I can tell her everything. I think i tended to be 'good' to help her when I was growing up as she was depressed. So I silenced myself in the process. Still learning to get around this.

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I am a mother whose child has Moon Saturn Conjunct.
NOT MANY mothers get to "view" their unfortunate, unconscious parenting at the time....
many years later via evidence in their offsprings birthchart....

A story to be told.

(I should start a thread. Mother of a Moon/Saturn child...My Dearest child -My eternal regrets..How I wish I'd known what I do now!!!)

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posted April 04, 2015 07:57 AM            

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Originally posted by erickaf:
Thanks for making this thread. I always been curious with Chiron-Venus because I know a guy who in our group of friends the 'lucky' one when it comes to love, he has venus-chiron exact conjunction. He is a fascninating case, astrologically. He has only one girlfriend all his life since he was 17 and been together more than 20 years and seems so happy. I think his chiron-venus probably affects him artistically since he always wanted to pursue a different career (in the arts). Because of social pressures and his family he never pursued his real desire for art/humanties...but now he is approaching 40 and he is slowly going back to school to pursue a career in art...it is something to think about.

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I have Venus trine Chiron. I am not sure how the trine works, exactly. I think I can take my pain and make something beautiful out of it for others.

I had a client a few weeks ago. She told me about her life and I could RELATE and with that ability, she got a big healing.

It is just how God made it. We need each other.

I can help people with their pain due to the fact that I UNDERSTAND.

I wish I didn't, really, because I had to go through so much to be that this place but it was God's will and He knows best.

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posted April 04, 2015 10:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Astra:
I have chiron conjunct sun. My father has brought me nothing but pain. Because of him I have never felt safe in this world.

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How close, my dear Friend?

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posted April 04, 2015 10:41 AM            

Also, there are mitigating factors such as the Child asteroid etc

If he was close to his mom and they were good to each other, the chart would show this.

The chart shows everything

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posted April 05, 2015 02:00 PM            

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posted April 05, 2015 07:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Swanlake:
I am a mother whose child has Moon Saturn Conjunct.
NOT MANY mothers get to "view" their unfortunate, unconscious parenting at the time....
many years later via evidence in their offsprings birthchart....

A story to be told.

(I should start a thread. Mother of a Moon/Saturn child...My Dearest child -My eternal regrets..How I wish I'd known what I do now!!!)

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Please start that thread!

posted April 05, 2015 07:10 PM            

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Originally posted by ScorpioMoon:
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I would call that more ambient, my Friend.

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posted April 05, 2015 07:16 PM            

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posted April 05, 2015 10:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
This is kind of random but, Ami how does sado conjunct north node synastry work?
assuming that they are within 1 degree

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I am a NN nut because the NN plays out lol

Who has this

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posted April 05, 2015 10:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Venusincap89:
[b]This is kind of random but, Ami how does sado conjunct north node synastry work?
assuming that they are within 1 degree

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I am a NN nut because the NN plays out lol

Who has this

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I recently reconnected with someone that I met from last year
turns out that my sado is on her north node?
also her north node is on my IC exact or below 0.5 degrees

unfortunately, these kind of stuff is really hard to control so.. maybe i should just avoid her?

oh wow and I just realized I have natal sado conjunct IC

holy cow

posted April 05, 2015 10:36 PM            

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