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unforgiven_soul
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posted April 04, 2015 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for unforgiven_soul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is my grandfather and I'm really curious to find his ASC. Any help would be appreciated.
This is his birth chart with time unknown and a photo.

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Kannon McAfee
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posted April 04, 2015 07:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd prefer to see more pictures of him if you possibly have them.

What is/was his personality like?

Most often it helps to first write out a description of him based on how you know him and what others said of him. Then compare it to the signs and see which fit the most, which you can eliminate.

His face is broad/rectangular enough to make a fixed sign possible, but not eliminate a mutable one. But because he has Moon in Scorpio, he could have Cancer rising. Just can't say based on one picture.

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posted April 05, 2015 04:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for unforgiven_soul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
I'd prefer to see more pictures of him if you possibly have them.

What is/was his personality like?

Most often it helps to first write out a description of him based on how you know him and what others said of him. Then compare it to the signs and see which fit the most, which you can eliminate.

His face is broad/rectangular enough to make a fixed sign possible, but not eliminate a mutable one. But because he has Moon in Scorpio, he could have Cancer rising. Just can't say based on one picture.


One more photo and a synastry of his chart and the death chart:

When he was young he drank and smoke a lot, and had a tough father. He met my grandmother when he was 30 and changed his whole life. He took him away and they started their life from the beginning. He was a lovely man, grandfather, father and husband. He taugh me many things, he knew a lot about history, read so many books, he was wise in every decision and advice, and very funny. I never connected more with any other person in my life. Even now he's dead he comes in my dreams and shows me the way. I will never let go of him. The outter circle is his death chart.

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posted April 05, 2015 05:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am thinking Pisces MC at 7 Degrees. Probably very late Gem Asc(28 Deg) if born in or around Athens.

His love of books could be explained by the Neptune/Jupiter conjunct in Leo. A person who idealizes education and embarks on exhaustive studying(especially with Jupiter in 3rd).

The square of Saturn to Mercury speaks of someone who likes detail. And not just getting to detail but finding out the "how".

Saturn square Mercury also explains the love of history.And that means the person digs into the details to find facts etc.

The ruler of the 1st(Mercury)is in the 6th.This together with the ruler of the 1st house squaring Uranus, would explain the nervous disposition and propensity for drinking and smoking when young.

Saturn in 4th- difficult upbringing. Strict and austere conditions.

Mars in 5th. Enthusiastic, playful, full of fun, ardent lover,demonstrative.

Pluto in 1st square Mars in 5th- Love life has profound effect on one's psychological psyche.

The Sun being so close to the 7th house cusp(28 Sag) in this case, would emphasize how one's sense of self (Sun)is tied into relationships(7th).

Relationships light up his life(Sun)and have an enriching influence on him.

The MC in early Pisces( say 7 degrees) would arc to square Pluto in Cancer(house 1)at age 30. Bringing with it, the death of the old and the start of the new.

This is the "new beginning" I was basing my hypothesis on.

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posted April 05, 2015 07:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for astra7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just wanted to say....
Wow, tPluto conj. nSun, tMars conj. nPluto, tUranus on Asc.

He looks earth sign to me. Virgo Asc?
That would make it tPluto was in his 4th H (end). nMars in 9th - loved studying history with Virgo vibe.

Have a look where tJupiter was transiting when he got married.

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posted April 05, 2015 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
unforgiven_soul,

What a great relationship to have with your grandfather In life he was your guiding source of wisdom, and in death your connection to Spirit.

Here is what we know:
- Moon was definitely in Scorpio, ranging from 17-29* over the course of that 24-hour period.
- Declinations:
Moon: 17S44 to 19S37;
Merc: 18S39 to 18S54;
So the Moon was unquestionably Parallel Mercury -- this is the source of your grandfather's depth and capacity to communicate wisdom to you. This eliminates any apparent need for a 'Mercurial' Ascendant condition.
- The year period around age 30 (1950) when he met your grandmother Jupiter made a transit right over his Uranus. So this being a great luck/change factor it is hard to draw more specific chart information from this general event.

What I suggest is that you post your birth data and let's see if we can use clues in your chart to point to his. Because you were so close, this could be the thing that narrows it down at least to a time range of a few hours.

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posted April 05, 2015 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As to the very late Gemini Asc with 7* Pisces MC mentioned by Aries23Degrees, it sounded plausible to me, so I checked it out.

The closest possible Asc to this is at 26 Gemini which is closely opposite and contra-parallel the Sun in Sag. This is also plausible to me based on what little I know about Pappous. Saturn was CP that MC (and in wide opposition to it). Mercury is square the MC of that chart. In addition, when Jupiter transited over his Uranus it would have made a sextile to a 26 Gemini Asc, which would be a trine to the DC of that chart.

However, the layout and features of this chart strongly suggest someone who would have not been content to stay at home or in their home country and may have moved to a different country or traveled extensively.

Rather than focusing on the possibility of one particular degree out of 360 for his Asc, I'd rather find out more about him and see your birth data -- hopefully you have a birth time for yourself.

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posted April 05, 2015 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for unforgiven_soul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm reading all of your posts and I'm amazed of how much you all know. This is really helpful to me. This is my synastry with my grandpa and I'm the inner circle. I agree that probably his AC is Mercurian, 'cause many important people in my life have Mercurian traits, if you think that my IC is in Gemini and my DC is in Virgo. I'm more fond of the Virgo AC in his chart though, 'cause he was always a hard worker, a bit narrow minded to some things concerning the public image, and devoted to his family. Looked more earthy indeed. I think his Sun sign acted 'till 30's when he met my gradma. Sagittarius are usually known for drinking and smoking a lot, and their love about books and wisdom.

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posted April 10, 2015 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for unforgiven_soul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by astra7:
Just wanted to say....
Wow, tPluto conj. nSun, tMars conj. nPluto, tUranus on Asc.

He looks earth sign to me. Virgo Asc?
That would make it tPluto was in his 4th H (end). nMars in 9th - loved studying history with Virgo vibe.

Have a look where tJupiter was transiting when he got married.


I checked it now astra and tJupiter in 1950 was in Pisces, so is he's a Virgo AC it transited his 7th house, which is very possible.

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posted April 10, 2015 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for unforgiven_soul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
As to the very late Gemini Asc with 7* Pisces MC mentioned by Aries23Degrees, it sounded plausible to me, so I checked it out.

The closest possible Asc to this is at 26 Gemini which is closely opposite and contra-parallel the Sun in Sag. This is also plausible to me based on what little I know about Pappous. Saturn was CP that MC (and in wide opposition to it). Mercury is square the MC of that chart. In addition, when Jupiter transited over his Uranus it would have made a sextile to a 26 Gemini Asc, which would be a trine to the DC of that chart.

However, the layout and features of this chart strongly suggest someone who would have not been content to stay at home or in their home country and may have moved to a different country or traveled extensively.

Rather than focusing on the possibility of one particular degree out of 360 for his Asc, I'd rather find out more about him and see your birth data -- hopefully you have a birth time for yourself.


I'm really confused Kannon, 'cause if he has a Gemini AC, he would travel or have moved abroad which he didn't do, he wanted stability in his home. But also my grandmother is an early Sagittarius too. Maybe her Sun falls in his 7th house, but only if his AC is in the first degrees. If he's a Virgo AC his Sun falls in IC or his 4th house, which fits him a lot and possibly my gradmas too. Either IC or 3rd house. The family was like this: my grandparents and my father all Sagittarius and my uncle a Virgo. An important aspect in his chart is Moon conjunct North Node in Scorpio, in which house do you think it would fit the most?

Moon conjunct North Node: The need for home, family and emotional security is extra strong. Issues revolving around dependency and nurturing are highlighted. The mother figure (and the nurturing role) have a strong impact on this person's sense of safety. Food may be their security blanket. They're vulnerable to the moods of people in their environment. They may strive to protect themselves or others, and are working on the balance between the two.

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