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venus2tinkerbell
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posted April 10, 2015 04:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus2tinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
1. What is the difference between the expression or experience of a Moon in an element (like fire) and the Ascendant in that element?

2. What are the fundamental differences between an Aries and a Leo?

3. Would you be able to tell the difference between say, and Aries Moon and a Leo Asc? How?

4. ...And...what is the difference between a Taurus Moon and an Aries Moon? Yes, I'm serious.

Bonus question:

Would you be able to tell the difference between a Leo Asc/Taurus Moon and a Cancer Asc/Aries Moon? How?

If you're kind enough to give your two cents, don't feel obligated to answer all questions. You can pick and choose, just let me know which you're answering. THANKS!

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posted April 10, 2015 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok if we start duking it out, this thread gets sent to GU.

2)Both are leaders, both inspire, but Leo is more of a control freak with a touch of perfectionism. A Leo will oversee each aspect of a project and it becomes very personal to them, they strive for excellence and the finished product will be worthy of him putting his name on it.

Aries hates this type of monotony and feels he has a larger group he has to oversee so he'll spend the extra money to hire/appoint the top guy in that field.
He feels the smooth running of his project is a reflection of his awe-inspiring ability.

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posted April 10, 2015 05:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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2. What are the fundamental differences between an Aries and a Leo?

Aries wants to be the first person to do it. Leo wants to be the best to have ever done it.

In flirting the Aries will come off as a jerk. Leo will be charming.

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posted April 10, 2015 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LucieLemonade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:

4. ...And...what is the difference between a Taurus Moon and an Aries Moon? Yes, I'm serious.


If the person in question were angry and they happened to be standing in front of a cake, would the person throw the cake or eat the cake?

Aires moon would throw the cake.
Taurus moon would eat the cake.


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posted April 10, 2015 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus2tinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by lalalinda:
Ok if we start duking it out, this thread gets sent to GU.

LOL! That's hilarious. I'd love to see an Aries and a Leo duke it out.

Thanks so much for you're responses so far! Much appreciated.

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posted April 10, 2015 05:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DeepFreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've never actually felt or noticed my own or anyone else's asc.

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posted April 10, 2015 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for joandreamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
LOL! That's hilarious. I'd love to see an Aries and a Leo duke it out.

It's definitely not pretty! Lol I'm a Leo and have had a lot of misunderstandings with Aries. We're both stubborn and want the last word.

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posted April 10, 2015 06:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for joandreamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The differences between a Cancer Asc/Aries Moon and Leo Asc/Taurus moon.. I would say the Leo is more out there with an opinion that is hard to change. They don't mind being loud about it either and sharing the views right away. But a Cancer Asc may be a little quiet at first and will not speak up unless they have to, and once they do, you'll want to run and hide

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posted April 10, 2015 06:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Koho     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you want a good primer on Ascendants Kannon's is the best one I've seen on the internet. It hasn't failed me on confirmed Ascendants. He needs to expand it into a book, or at least an e-book.

Physical typing works well but there have been instances where I felt the person's Ascendant. I had someone's Libra Ascendant conjunct my Libra Venus and it clicked right away. It was a distinct feeling. So pay attention to that too.

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posted April 10, 2015 06:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Koho:
If you want a good primer on Ascendants Kannon's is the best one I've seen on the internet. It hasn't failed me on confirmed Ascendants. He needs to expand it into a book, or at least an e-book.

Physical typing works well but there have been instances where I felt the person's Ascendant. I had someone's Libra Ascendant conjunct my Libra Venus and it clicked right away. It was a distinct feeling. So pay attention to that too.


i second that! Kannon is the best at this.
I also had the experience of feeling someone's ascendant. i just knew. And Kannon confirmed it..

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posted April 10, 2015 08:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus2tinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks so much. The reason behind my questions is two different schools of astrology have given me two different sets of placements. The funny thing is, while reading your answers I'm thinking, both! I relate to both

I want to be the first and the best, and often those desires conflict. I'll move so fast to be the first, I make a mistake and take myself out of the running for being the best. I think I'm charming when I flirt, but maybe people think I'm a jerk...I'm kind of a jerk in general. I would split the cake in half, throw half and save the other half for after the fight, and cry over it while I eat...

This here by Joandreamer

The differences between a Cancer Asc/Aries Moon and Leo Asc/Taurus moon.. I would say the Leo is more out there with an opinion that is hard to change. They don't mind being loud about it either and sharing the views right away. But a Cancer Asc may be a little quiet at first and will not speak up unless they have to, and once they do, you'll want to run and hide

It depends on my mood. I can be loud and stubborn, or I can sit back until I think you want to/need to see this "nightmare dressed as a daydream"

Koho and EmGem, thanks for your advice. Heading over to Kannon's site as soon as I can.

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posted April 10, 2015 09:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Koho     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"I would split the cake in half, throw half and save the other half for after the fight, and cry over it while I eat..."

Just seems like a good middle ground to me

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posted April 10, 2015 10:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vixen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
1. What is the difference between the expression or experience of a [b]Moon sign in an element (like fire) and the Ascendant in that element?

2. What are the fundamental differences between an Aries and a Leo?

3. Would you be able to tell the difference between say, and Aries Moon and a Leo Asc? How?

4. ...And...what is the difference between a Taurus Moon and an Aries Moon? Yes, I'm serious.

Bonus question:

Would you be able to tell the difference between a Leo Asc/Taurus Moon and a Cancer Asc/Aries Moon? How?

If you're kind enough to give your two cents, don't feel obligated to answer all questions. You can pick and choose, just let me know which you're answering. THANKS!

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Moon is your soul, what you're on the INSIDE, what is often hidden from others. Others don't usually know your Moon unless they have closer relationship with you. Everyone can see your ascendant. But that (of course) depends on where is your ascendant ruler placed and how it's aspected. An that's for another discussion...

Now, Arian and Leonine people, don't kill me please! I actually love you very much! But let's be open... Aries tends to be more selfish and abrasive than Leo. Leo usually IS self-centered and wants a lot of attention, but they are also very generous and giving. Arian folks I know are more playful, funny, crazy (in a good way) and childlike, while Leonine ones are more poised and dignified. Need to be worshiped and totally respected is greater in Leo than in Aries... That's my personal experience...

Oh, Taurus and Aries Moon are COMPLETELY different from each other. Aries moon is warrior princess, hyperactive and ready to fight. Aries Moon often wants tho win at ALL costs, while Taurus Moon is more laid-back, casual and lazy.

The person with Cancer Asc will probably appear to be soft and meek...

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posted April 10, 2015 10:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for the89freespirit     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
If the person in question were angry and they happened to be standing in front of a cake, would the person throw the cake or eat the cake?

Aires moon would throw the cake.
Taurus moon would eat the cake.


Hahaha, priceless!

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posted April 10, 2015 10:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for the89freespirit     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
1. What is the difference between the expression or experience of a [b]Moon sign in an element (like fire) and the Ascendant in that element?

2. What are the fundamental differences between an Aries and a Leo?

3. Would you be able to tell the difference between say, and Aries Moon and a Leo Asc? How?

4. ...And...what is the difference between a Taurus Moon and an Aries Moon? Yes, I'm serious.

Bonus question:

Would you be able to tell the difference between a Leo Asc/Taurus Moon and a Cancer Asc/Aries Moon? How?

If you're kind enough to give your two cents, don't feel obligated to answer all questions. You can pick and choose, just let me know which you're answering. THANKS!

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1. The Ascendant is the person we meet. The Moon is the person we get close to. So, a Fire Ascendant would come off as exuberant, spirited, confident, etc. From the get go. A Fire Moon expresses that spiritedness, confidence, and childlike energy on an intimate level.

2. I personally don't think Aries are leaders. Don't shoot me, Rams! I think Aries is action-oriented so it makes it easy for them to take charge of situations. But, they don't actually want to lead people. They just want to do things. So, often times, putting an Aries in charge can be messy because they tend to be blissfully unaware of the consequences of their actions and/or their impact on others.

Leo, on the other hand, is super-aware of how they're influencing others, which is why they are the true leaders, at heart. Leo knows how to positively affect people and truly wants to do this: to teach, to inspire, to encourage, empower, etc. But, on the other hand, this can also make Leo much bossier and more dominant than Aries. Because they, well, always want to affect you and sometimes that goes overboard. Whereas I don't find Aries bossy, generally. They let you do your own thing, so long as you're not in their way.

I see Aries as the eternal child while Leo is the eternal teenager. That makes their potential self-absorption different. Aries self-absorption is much more impulsive and irresponsible, like a kid on a playground, while Leo self-absorption is very dramatic and expressive, like a high schooler on an emotional roller coaster.

But, of course, those are just the potential negatives. Still, I do think even a very mature Aries is still an 8-year-old at heart, in some way, and a very mature Leo is still a 16-year-old at heart, on some level.

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posted April 11, 2015 12:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
1. What is the difference between the expression or experience of a [b]Moon sign in an element (like fire) and the Ascendant in that element?

Moon sign is how you carry your feelings and how they contact with others' feelings.

Asc sign is your physical body/personality package.

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2. What are the fundamental differences between an Aries and a Leo?

Only the planetary principle and the quality of the sign. Aries follows the Martial principle of doing with a forward-leaning orientation with the cardinal quality of initiative. They can easily be enticed into doing if something is put before them.

Leo's fixed quality and Solar principle is more centered and heart-centered and tends to be longer-term oriented, rather than see-and-do.

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3. Would you be able to tell the difference between say, and Aries Moon and a Leo Asc? How?

Not always, because you are actually talking about people and in the context of astrology no one can be sliced up into 2 fragmented bits of astrology. In astrological terms, a person is the entire chart, not a couple of selected pieces or signs.

Leo Asc conj/parallel/square/opp Mars can be more Martial than Moon in Leo. Moon conjunct Venus in Aries can be as sweet and agreeable and likable a person as any other Venus-based stereotype.

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4. ...And...what is the difference between a Taurus Moon and an Aries Moon? Yes, I'm serious.

Moon in Taurus (Venus principle) is generally steady and down-to-earth, looks for the smooth path through things, comfort, living a balanced life, in no hurry, tends to run cool physically.

Moon in Aries (Mars principle) is active/reactive, running the range from bossy to hypersensitive, and tends to run hot or heat up easily (emotionally or physically). They either enjoy conflict to understand how they feel or some degree of stress to challenge themselves internally.

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posted April 11, 2015 01:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I took to long to post and in the meantime the 2 Astrologers I was going to suggest just posted.

Thank you
Kannon McAfee and
the 89freespirit

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posted April 11, 2015 02:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Moon conjunct Venus in Aries can be as sweet and agreeable and likable a person as any other Venus-based stereotype

interesting Kannon. Just out of curiosity, I know an aries venus who is very sweet and agreeable. It conjuncts his sun, mercury and trines his moon. Would this possibly cause this because i was perplexed knowing the stereotype about typical aries venus men!

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posted April 11, 2015 04:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaturnFan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
If the person in question were angry and they happened to be standing in front of a cake, would the person throw the cake or eat the cake?

Aires moon would throw the cake.
Taurus moon would eat the cake.


LOL... I have Taurus Moon and my mother has Aries Moon, but I usually beat her to the cake when we argue :P

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posted April 11, 2015 04:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaturnFan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
1. What is the difference between the expression or experience of a Moon sign in an element (like fire) and the Ascendant in that element?

There've been great response to this question so far, I'll just add my personal observations. All Fire AC people I know have water Suns and other water placements, but you only see that (their great sensitivity, empathy etc.) after knowing them for a while. Before you reach that point with them, they appear like unreachable and unshakeable kings/ queens who have it all in hand, stride easily and unbothered through life, and could rule the world if they decided to. This goes for Leo ACs in particular, but the Sag ACs I know are coming very close, except they don't appear to want to rule anything, but just enjoy the ride instead.

The Fire Moons I know are all hidden under Water and Earth ACs and Suns, so when you encounter the Moon (it seems to come to the surface in situations when they are very upset) it feels like you've been sitting next to a small calm lake and all of a sudden you're hit by a tsunami.

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posted April 11, 2015 10:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for the89freespirit     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by lalalinda:
I took to long to post and in the meantime the 2 Astrologers I was going to suggest just posted.

Thank you
Kannon McAfee and
the 89freespirit


Thanks, lalalinda! Though kudos to Kannon for answering them all! My brain was too tired at the time to give them all a go.

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posted April 11, 2015 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus2tinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What's the only thing worse than not having your question answered on LL?

having several answers by brilliant astrologers, students, and thinkers, and not having the time to give everyone their due appreciation.

I must say that ALL of you have really been so helpful. I appreciate you so much. Thank you, for your time and attention! I have some delicious mind food to chew on for a bit.

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posted April 14, 2015 01:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus2tinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by lalalinda:
Ok if we start duking it out, this thread gets sent to GU.

2)Both are leaders, both inspire, but Leo is more of a control freak with a touch of perfectionism. A Leo will oversee each aspect of a project and it becomes very personal to them, they strive for excellence and the finished product will be worthy of him putting his name on it.

Aries hates this type of monotony and feels he has a larger group he has to oversee so he'll spend the extra money to hire/appoint the top guy in that field.
He feels the smooth running of his project is a reflection of his awe-inspiring ability.


I have worked both ways described here. Right now I'm trying to create something I can be Leo about (Leo as you described above).

Great descriptions.

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posted April 14, 2015 02:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus2tinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
1. The Ascendant is the person we meet. The Moon is the person we get close to. So, a Fire Ascendant would come off as exuberant, spirited, confident, etc. From the get go. A Fire Moon expresses that spiritedness, confidence, and childlike energy on an intimate level.

2. I personally don't think Aries are leaders. Don't shoot me, Rams! I think Aries is action-oriented so it makes it easy for them to take charge of situations. But, they don't actually want to lead people. They just want to do things. So, often times, putting an Aries in charge can be messy because they tend to be blissfully unaware of the consequences of their actions and/or their impact on others.

Leo, on the other hand, is super-aware of how they're influencing others, which is why they are the true leaders, at heart. Leo knows how to positively affect people and truly wants to do this: to teach, to inspire, to encourage, empower, etc. But, on the other hand, this can also make Leo much bossier and more dominant than Aries. Because they, well, always want to affect you and sometimes that goes overboard. Whereas I don't find Aries bossy, generally. They let you do your own thing, so long as you're not in their way.

I see Aries as the eternal child while Leo is the eternal teenager. That makes their potential self-absorption different. Aries self-absorption is much more impulsive and irresponsible, like a kid on a playground, while Leo self-absorption is very dramatic and expressive, like a high schooler on an emotional roller coaster.

But, of course, those are just the potential negatives. Still, I do think even a very mature Aries is still an 8-year-old at heart, in some way, and a very mature Leo is still a 16-year-old at heart, on some level.




These answers are so great. I just love number 2. It's so meaty! What can I say? It's full of substance and ideas to ponder and smile about. I'm close to a few undeniable Aries, and your description is perfect- a child at heart. And not necessarily leaders, but just wanting to do something. Again, I relate to both of these signs. During my teens and 20s, I was rediculous. I knew how to pretend to be sophisticated when necessary, but if it was relax time, I was a kid- climbing things, taking challenges and dares. When I was 25, if you told me you had a lovely tree in your front yard (maybe you were describing your expensive landscaping)I would be waiting to ask if you could climb it or if you had climbed it. That maybe a bit more literal than you meant, but it has to start somewhere to evolve into that. It was in my heart. Since, I have grown into the teenager. In my world, I'm just kind of a fabulous drama queen, shaking up my world for good, and stepping all over people's toes who never stop loving me.

And either way what doesn't change is...duh, duh, duh...how self absorbed I am

I'm working on it, but I'm not.

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posted April 14, 2015 02:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus2tinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Koho:
"I would split the cake in half, throw half and save the other half for after the fight, and cry over it while I eat..."

Just seems like a good middle ground to me



How'd I miss this? Ha ha, yeah good middle ground. That seems to be a theme in my chart and charts. Middle ground and balance. Maybe a Libra Pluto requires a focus on balance in life, in general (?).

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