posted April 13, 2015 10:19 AM            

I do have a little of intuition when it comes to people.
I also heard that this placement can make you intense with women? I'm not really intense when it comes to women though because of my moon trine venus and mars trine venus. My venus is in aries/7th house, so I don't get any of that.

..I would love to hear some more people's point of view on this, especially the men on here who have it.

*Additional information* My mother died when I was younger and i've heard this is common with a moon/pluto people.
..I also have a moon square saturn and my rising is in Libra.
..If anybody wants to see my chart, just ask.

posted April 13, 2015 10:39 AM              

From experience, whether or not Pluto is retrograde is VERY important on how Pluto aspects play out.

From doing research, when Pluto is retrograde in the natal chart, the intensity, depth, passion etc of Pluto is magnified and also turned inward which creates a constant internal battle with the emotions and everything Pluto related.

From my own personal relationships, most of the individuals who have this aspect, act as if it doesn't exist. They all have managed to create this impenetrable emotional wall that won't allow anyone in except themselves. It's very frustrating for a Scorpio stellium individual like myself.

From observing people who have this aspect, once things get too deep, they run or cut you off without a warning or and explanation and the only reasoning behind it is they don't want anything to do with that part of themselves which is why they are constantly projecting it onto their partners aka MYSELF. They attract people who are very Scorpionic and'or Plutonian because they have yet to recognize or accept this part in themselves.

Unless you understand this aspect and the behavior patterns of people who posses hard aspects to Pluto, you will feel emotionally cut off and alienated no matter how much time, attention, affection ,etc they show you. It's similar to Saturn in my opinion, only it's much deeper and it has an illusive quality to it which creates passion and interest.

Self-denial and self-illusion is the two biggest issues with this placement.

posted April 13, 2015 10:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Yanmorg:
I'm not familiar with the square, but the opposition is similar.

From experience, whether or not Pluto is retrograde is [b]VERY important on how Pluto aspects play out.

From doing research, when Pluto is retrograde in the natal chart, the intensity, depth, passion etc of Pluto is magnified and also turned inward which creates a constant internal battle with the emotions and everything Pluto related.

From my own personal relationships, most of the individuals who have this aspect, act as if it doesn't exist. They all have managed to create this impenetrable emotional wall that won't allow anyone in except themselves. It's very frustrating for a Scorpio stellium individual like myself.

From observing people who have this aspect, once things get too deep, they run or cut you off without a warning or and explanation and the only reasoning behind it is they don't want anything to do with that part of themselves which is why they are constantly projecting it onto their partners aka MYSELF. They attract people who are very Scorpionic and'or Plutonian because they have yet to recognize or accept this part in themselves.

Unless you understand this aspect and the behavior patterns of people who posses hard aspects to Pluto, you will feel emotionally cut off and alienated no matter how much time, attention, affection ,etc they show you. It's similar to Saturn in my opinion, only it's much deeper and it has an illusive quality to it which creates passion and interest.

Self-denial and self-illusion is the two biggest issues with this placement.

These people need to heal before trying to love someone else I feel.. [/B]

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posted April 13, 2015 11:46 AM              

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Originally posted by Yanmorg:
I'm not familiar with the square, but the opposition is similar.

From experience, whether or not Pluto is retrograde is [b]VERY important on how Pluto aspects play out.

From doing research, when Pluto is retrograde in the natal chart, the intensity, depth, passion etc of Pluto is magnified and also turned inward which creates a constant internal battle with the emotions and everything Pluto related.

From my own personal relationships, most of the individuals who have this aspect, act as if it doesn't exist. They all have managed to create this impenetrable emotional wall that won't allow anyone in except themselves. It's very frustrating for a Scorpio stellium individual like myself.

From observing people who have this aspect, once things get too deep, they run or cut you off without a warning or and explanation and the only reasoning behind it is they don't want anything to do with that part of themselves which is why they are constantly projecting it onto their partners aka MYSELF. They attract people who are very Scorpionic and'or Plutonian because they have yet to recognize or accept this part in themselves.

Unless you understand this aspect and the behavior patterns of people who posses hard aspects to Pluto, you will feel emotionally cut off and alienated no matter how much time, attention, affection ,etc they show you. It's similar to Saturn in my opinion, only it's much deeper and it has an illusive quality to it which creates passion and interest.

Self-denial and self-illusion is the two biggest issues with this placement.

These people need to heal before trying to love someone else I feel.. [/B]

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posted April 14, 2015 10:33 AM              

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Originally posted by Astrochologist:
I have it. It's tough. Because the psychological state of everyone around you is so easily picked up, your own stomach goes through a rollercoaster of anger and calm all of the time.
It's easy to detect shifty, disingenuous people and anything seen as such gives us this violent emotional response of rejection. Internally though. Most of the time others can't detect it because we keep it hidden very well.i

More later...

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I feel this is the main issue with this aspect.

a lot of the deceit, rejection, etc you're feeling is imagined, at least in my situations.

From my own personal experiences (I have to keep putting emphasis on this), people with moon-pluto hard aspects have this crazy idea in their heads that everyone is out to get them. You might really believe you can see the window to everyone's soul, but with the hard aspect, it's probably your own paranoia and insecurities working against you.

No one can read minds or read someone's heart. Yes, we give certain vibes to certain people and energy doesn't lie, but there's a thin line between intuition and paranoia. A lot of you guys are simply just paranoid.

I know because I can recognize this flaw within myself. You can't automatically write someone off because of a certain feeling you get unless there are other factors to back this up.

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posted April 14, 2015 03:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Yanmorg:
Self-denial and self-illusion is the two biggest issues with this placement.

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These people need to heal before trying to love someone else I feel..

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posted April 14, 2015 03:54 PM            

Please, be nice. I don't want anymore fights for a while. I am tired

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posted April 14, 2015 04:10 PM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
When I learned about my t-square, and realised how much grief it had caused me, I felt cursed for a little while, but now I love it and absolutely adore Pluto. As with all challenging placements, when you face them and start working through them, you see all the hidden potential

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SaturnFan, how do you go from seeing other people as the cause of one's problems and/or focusing on what's wrong with other people, and taking full responsibility, as you have done?

posted April 14, 2015 04:31 PM            

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Originally posted by peony:
SaturnFan, how do you go from seeing other people as the cause of one's problems and/or focusing on what's wrong with other people, and taking full responsibility, as you have done?

It's so obvious to me that running into the same problems in relationships over and over is about us, and other people are mirrors. But for many of us it's so hard to look in the mirror.

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posted April 14, 2015 05:14 PM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
hi peony
Agree it's very hard to look in the mirror, but I've found there's no avoiding it either (or at least not for people like us with various Pluto/ Moon / Venus combinations ). Personally for me, I used to blame others for years and ended things on bad terms with them, until the last big heartbreak which was the worst of all - it led to an awful depression, feeling suicidal for a brief period, as if I was an outcast and not even part of the world, as overly dramatic as this may sound, so I was faced with no choice but to work with myself rather than constantly trying to find validation in other people. (Funnily, I'm still good friends with this last guy, he's the only one we ended things on very good terms with ) I feel the Universe keeps sending the same message until you get the point, and each time it's stronger than before so sooner or later you can't help but listen. For people who are especially connected with their ego this seems to take forever, but luckily we Pluto-influenced souls learn the lessons about the ego early on That's my take on it!

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Thanks, SaturnFan, much appreciate your take. I know the word "transformation" is overused, but you've done it and with a fixed t-square to boot!

posted April 14, 2015 08:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Geminiyoungster:

I do have a little of intuition when it comes to people.

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Would you say you can sense emotional undercurrents, i.e., feelings in people that aren't being expressed?

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My mother died when I was younger and i've heard this is common with a moon/pluto people.

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This is one of the manifestations of Moon-Pluto, yes. What ties in here is that Moon-Pluto people have a keen awareness how easily human ties can be severed. They fear rejection, abandonment, and loss. So, there's a tendency to hold back, to keep people from getting too close, which is a protective device.

Astrologer, Robin MacNaughton, says the square is associated with strong ambition, and a great deal of drive. It tends to be cautious, secretive, and distrustful, but also trustworthy and loyal. Solitude is needed periodically as a way to renew oneself, particularly in times of trouble. This placement can be moody. There's a desire for control in all areas of life, including relationships. This is a tough one because it's hard to express warmth and spontaneous affection. The love life could be greatly improved by focusing on fulfilling the needs of your partner.

posted April 15, 2015 01:19 AM              

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Originally posted by peony:
That would be wise for anyone with emotional problems, not just Moon-Pluto people.

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Yes but maybe these character flaws appear more in people with this aspect.

posted April 15, 2015 07:51 AM            

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Originally posted by peony:
This is one of the manifestations of Moon-Pluto, yes. What ties in here is that Moon-Pluto people have a keen awareness how easily human ties can be severed. They fear rejection, abandonment, and loss. So, there's a tendency to hold back, to keep people from getting too close, which is a protective device.

Astrologer, Robin MacNaughton, says the square is associated with strong ambition, and a great deal of drive. It tends to be cautious, secretive, and distrustful, but also trustworthy and loyal. Solitude is needed periodically as a way to renew oneself, particularly in times of trouble. This placement can be moody. There's a desire for control in all areas of life, including relationships. This is a tough one because it's hard to express warmth and spontaneous affection. The love life could be greatly improved by focusing on fulfilling the needs of your partner.

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posted April 15, 2015 08:00 AM            

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Originally posted by peony:
Thanks, SaturnFan, much appreciate your take. I know the word "transformation" is overused, but you've done it and with a fixed t-square to boot!

I've also noticed cases where Moon-Pluto people have shown an amazing capacity for forgiveness. One in particular was a woman who forgave the man who murdered her child!

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posted March 14, 2018 07:33 PM            

I was always taught that for men w/ Moon Sq. Pluto - watch out - it's the classic position of the misogynst and sometimes, a man so deeply in the closet, he doesn't even KNOW he's in the closet! These days, with all the individuation and gender fluidity, things play out in all different ways but...it is almost always emotional intensity + trouble of some sort with women (unless you get a nice planetary assist.)

Usually, the male falls hard in the beginning and then feels he was burned in his first love relationship. (Even though 98% of most people's first relationships don't work out - their deep sensitivity takes it to heart & they become resentful and bitter.) If the relationship with Mom isn't already challenging, something happens to cause a deep distrust of women in particular. Sometimes they're distrustful of everyone. Sigh. Verrrrrry complex relationships.
I feel there is good intuition mixed with paranoia with a dollop of bad early coping habits on the side. The square I think is tougher b/c there is more projection than with the conjunction which seems a bit more self-aware (unless they're doing spiritual work or into astrology - yeah!) The square tends to antagonize the partner out of insecurity and then make their own fears real by pushing the partner to the edge! Self fulfilling prophecy & a lot of confirmation bias going on.

I feel I was much more paranoid & heavier about things in the first half of life. I really thought other did not know what was up & they were suckers! Being deeply loved by another I trusted helped me overcome feeling unsafe in the world b/c it is always a struggle about self-love & worth, ultimately. Time also gives more perspective about what is drama and what is truly worth the struggle. And, spiritual work and ASTROLOGY help immensely! Some people do the work and evolve out of that reality and some do not but there will generally be good intuition and some basic understanding of depth psychology.

Moon/Plutos can be really obsessive & possessive about people that aren't interested and then get volcanically angry when they feel rejected. It's just so hard to let go. However, it's this kind of refusal to take no for an answer & emotionally manipulative tactics that cause the problems. When they are IN IT, they just cannot see their level of intensity and that obsession does not equal Love. They're typically magnetic but energetically overwhelming which tends to scare others that aren't also quite plutonic. And even then sometimes, still SCARY!

To truly overcome, you do literally have to burn down the old self and start anew but many men are not willing to do the work b/c they feel too vulnerable in the process and reluctant to give up their power & skills (even it it's the toxic kind.)

All the Men I know with Moon/Pluto aspects have MAJOR fear of being taken advantage of. So much that they will offer things to you when they feel more relaxed (or...to get something), then get icy and go back on their word, then change their mind and offer again. It's a weird & moody process that usually calms down over time.

I'm dealing with a guy right now (platonic) who does construction for me and whom I enjoy - he's really smart & resourceful. He will often offer to do things for free or very little b/c he likes me but he often flip flops and gets moody & I insist on paying. He gets so crazy intense that he scares other people around us but then he kind of gets over it and the weather clears. He has Moon/Mars in Gem squaring Pluto/Venus in Virgo. Right now, I think Pisces is squaring & opposing all of it. Holy crap! He is a Mason/concrete person and the best thing he does for himself is tons of manual labor to tire himself out nearly daily. He grew up very poor with likely some weirdness in the family, had a drinking problems at one time, near-death accident, and had a very f***** up thing going on with some drugged out ex crashing with him who "wouldn't" leave his house. He would complain bitterly about her in great detail but it was clear he was totally invested/dependent on the dynamic. Then he immediately turned his tractor beams on me but I had already got an X-ray of all his stuff. NO THANKS!!

Folks I know with the square who are super ambitious have Moon in Cap and/or Saturn aspects to the Moon which tends to modify the emotional indulgence and Jupiter aspects to the moon tend to make the person get over things a little easier in everyday life & not obsess so much even though the intensity will still be there. Both friends I know with the Moon in Cap square Pluto in Libra have had a lots of trouble with business partners & been through several lawsuits & also power struggles over home life or real estate type stuff. (Both have their 4th house being involved.) Both are very aggressive and sometimes it does blow up on them.
The best way to love & support anyone with Moon/Pluto is with truth, integrity, gentleness and respect for their sensitivity and emotions/feelings. Boundaries and clarity of your own feelings are helpful but it is crucial to show compassion and appreciation for the depth of their feelings as it so intrinsic to their nature. The yogic tradition of vibrationally "evoking" what you'd like to see in your parnter is very powerful here as it cuts through all the BS and goes straight to the heart.
Encouragement around the healing journey and transformation is empowering as it is a large theme in their life.

Although the hypersensitivity will always be there to some extent, your view of reality can & does become re-worked into one that is more optimistic, productive and clear with deep compassion for others and unparalleled resourcefulness, survival skills and dedication to your passions and the special others in your life.

posted March 15, 2018 02:25 AM            

Squares to Pluto often suggest trauma that is not forgotten or issues that affects ones ability to open up,forgive, let go, be receptive or trust others.

This could be an emotional bond interruption, separation or destruction. Or an inability to hone into one's more vulnerable/feeling side. Fearful that others will abuse/ use their hidden nature in some way.

So the person likes to be staunchly in control of their emotions and always probing or interested in the "inner" workings of others I.e their intentions, how they really feel about them and what they conceal from them etc.

In relations to others it could be the person who wants to know everything about you. But is slow or defensive in divulging information about themselves.

As lovers, they can either be up/down I.e cool and aloof one minute and then very intense and demanding in others.

The other way they can be is very controlling, obsessive and prone to be unreasonably suspicious of other's intentions to "do them in"(especially new lovers,friends or even family)

If Moon is in air sign or fire, the square aspect to Pluto in water can erode reasoning capabilities and ability to express oneself verbally and objectively in the former instance.

And it can also inhibit instantaneous open/honest expression of both affection, and anger in the latter instance. Making the individual seem a lot more restrained than how they really feel on the inside.

Cases of men I know with Moon/Pluto harsh aspect have gone through betrayal at the hands of those they thought they could trust (Moon). And these experiences are quite horrific with many of them. So I do understand their natural cynicism to other human beings.

One such case I know of personally involves the opposition(Aries Moon/Libra Pluto). The person in question was raped(Pluto) by a local priest(Moon)as a teenager.

The other involves a square(Moon Leo/Pluto Scorpio)where the guy ended up in a physical tussle(Pluto) with his old man(Moon).

Emotions run deep with these guys. With the opposition aspect likely to attract or be attracted to those with a very complex past. And the square being drawn to martial type relationships in youth but later more stable ones as they age.

posted March 15, 2018 04:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Yanmorg:
I'm not familiar with the square, but the opposition is similar.

From experience, whether or not Pluto is retrograde is [b]VERY important on how Pluto aspects play out.

From doing research, when Pluto is retrograde in the natal chart, the intensity, depth, passion etc of Pluto is magnified and also turned inward which creates a constant internal battle with the emotions and everything Pluto related.

From my own personal relationships, most of the individuals who have this aspect, act as if it doesn't exist. They all have managed to create this impenetrable emotional wall that won't allow anyone in except themselves. It's very frustrating for a Scorpio stellium individual like myself.

From observing people who have this aspect, once things get too deep, they run or cut you off without a warning or and explanation and the only reasoning behind it is they don't want anything to do with that part of themselves which is why they are constantly projecting it onto their partners aka MYSELF. They attract people who are very Scorpionic and'or Plutonian because they have yet to recognize or accept this part in themselves.

Unless you understand this aspect and the behavior patterns of people who posses hard aspects to Pluto, you will feel emotionally cut off and alienated no matter how much time, attention, affection ,etc they show you. It's similar to Saturn in my opinion, only it's much deeper and it has an illusive quality to it which creates passion and interest.

Self-denial and self-illusion is the two biggest issues with this placement.

These people need to heal before trying to love someone else I feel.. [/B]

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YES.

My ex boyfriend has this aspect. He has Pluto Retro too.

He ran away from our relationship several times and would completely cut off communication without warning when he did so. He never knew how he felt; one day he would say I am the love of his life and he wanted to marry me, the next day he would say he wasn't in love anymore.

I identify as being plutonian too; sun and mercury square Pluto in my chart.

posted July 11, 2023 06:55 PM            

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Originally posted by cultstatus:
YES.

My ex boyfriend has this aspect. He has Pluto Retro too.

He ran away from our relationship several times and would completely cut off communication without warning when he did so. He never knew how he felt; one day he would say I am the love of his life and he wanted to marry me, the next day he would say he wasn't in love anymore.

I identify as being plutonian too; sun and mercury square Pluto in my chart.

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Curious to know how this ended? Current person in my life has this and disappears for days/weeks. I’m so tired

posted July 11, 2023 07:35 PM            

Looking back, he had issue with himself - self shaming and projected it onto me and ofc I felt ashamed as a result. We were a match on that level. The relationship dynamic was toxic. I don't think he see this was the root that played out the way it did. It has nothing to do what he or I did or say.

Childhood trauma at its best.

posted July 12, 2023 02:51 AM            

My close friend has a square between Moon-Pluto and her Moon is in 8H which I read that this placement makes the Moon extremely vulnerable and easily influenced. She too can have a lot of emotional undercurrent and tend to act out with spite instead of dealing with the issue directly. What’s worse with the square is that they can become toxic when they feel insecure or hurt.