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zirr1
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posted April 15, 2015 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for zirr1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi

I'm curious to what would cause someone astrologically to have a problem with compulsiveness such as compulsive lying? Also compulsive eating/etc..

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posted April 15, 2015 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lie--one would look at Neptune/Mercury

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posted April 15, 2015 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dreaminess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Strong pisces/neptune influence or strong gemini/mercury influence are the two signs i have experienced that tend to lie alot.

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posted April 15, 2015 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dreaminess:
Strong pisces/neptune influence or strong gemini/mercury influence are the two signs i have experienced that tend to lie alot.

In squares/oppositions?

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posted April 15, 2015 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dreaminess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
In squares/oppositions?


I have experienced the conjunction, square and opposition with neptune, and sometimes i haven`t even experienced the aspects but by sign instead. Like someone with only personal planets in gemini or pisces i have experienced also have a bad habit with lying.

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posted April 15, 2015 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is interesting, D. Thanks

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posted April 15, 2015 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for joandreamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All the geminis I've known are liars, whether it be their sun of moon.

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posted April 15, 2015 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As much as I love them I have to say that the Pisces' in my life have lied their eyeballs out.

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posted April 15, 2015 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have seen it in Merc conj Neptune.

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posted April 15, 2015 04:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaturnFan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looks like the responses so far are pretty accurate. I know one person who is not only a compulsive liar, but consciously enjoys it, and is even proud of the ability to "outsmart" others. It's a horrible trait, it was the reason our friendship fell apart.

She has an exact Mercury-Neptune opposition. Plus a Gemini Moon-Chiron conjunction.

I have the conjunction (along with Sun), and am pretty bad at lying Morals aside, it makes me very nervous, and feels like way too much effort. But Pluto sextiles my Sun-Neptune-Mercury, this might be what's keeping me honest.

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posted April 15, 2015 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YellowGerbera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Am I one weird Pisces that HATE to lie? Lol
I hate to lie.. I can't lie.. And I can't stand liars!!!! Good thing that I'm very intuitive and perceptive enought to smell lies right away

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posted April 15, 2015 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dreaminess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I have seen it in Merc conj Neptune.


Yeah i have noticed neptune conjunctions tend to be so natural about it, its like they try so hard to convince someone that they end up beliving their own lies. They dont have a problem living a lie nor telling a lie its like they feel at "home" with pretense.

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posted April 15, 2015 06:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
YEA

Well put, D!

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posted April 15, 2015 07:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've seen it with any exact Mercury/Neptune aspect, even the trine. The person with the trine actually made up more stories and with more frequency than the person I know with the square - and they were truly outlandish stories.

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posted April 15, 2015 07:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Swanlake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would say without a doubt adverse aspects between Merc & Nep - deliberate deception.
I think the conjunction is unconscious rather than deliberate in that the person is deceiving themselves

Interesting above how Gemini comes up- come to think of it the worst liars I've known all had adverse mec/nep PLUS Gemini somewhere in their charts.

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posted April 15, 2015 07:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for midnightvenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What do you all think about Mercury conjunct both Neptune and Uranus?

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posted April 15, 2015 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Amazing writer!

It depends on the sign as well. People with the Capricorn conjunction seem more realistic and down to earth.

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posted April 15, 2015 07:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for midnightvenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Odette:
^ Amazing writer!

It depends on the sign as well. People with the Capricorn conjunction seem more realistic and down to earth.


What if it falls in the 9H?

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posted April 15, 2015 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have mercury in Capricorn conjunct Uranus and Neptune in the 11th house. They all trine my 3rd house moon in Taurus.
I am not a compulsive liar by any means. I mean... How many guys do you know right off the top of your head that would admit they can't get women to save their lives? having said that I will lie to keep myself out of trouble or to avoid problems and hurt feelings but I'm basically honest .I feel my mercury/neptune manifests more in the sense that I lack concentration and tend to daydream more than anything.

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posted April 15, 2015 08:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Koho     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Context of the chart and person is important so I'll use myself and my cousin as an example

Mercury/Neptune, yes, probably, especially the negative aspects.

But don't forget Mars/Neptune. A cousin of mine has this and he's a nonstop exaggerator/liar. He has the square, as do I, but mine is like 5 degrees while his is nearly exact.

Notable difference, which has to take the entire personality into account. He lies to save face, make stories grander, and just purposeless lies. Issues owning up to mistakes.

Me, with the square as well, and a Mercury trine Neptune, and generally under more self review will still lie but generally with purpose and as a tactic. He lies to exaggerate stories whereas I wouldn't bother with that. But I'll lie as a tactic for some end, whereas he seems to just lie as habit, without purpose, or because he feels negated.

Frequency is also of interest. I have a willingness to lie, but not often, because I think it's only truly useful in few situations. Since I try to only use it when absolutely beneficial the frequency is low. But his is often, and again, I think it's because his personal ego is thwarted and he uses the Neptune lies and imagination to make himself feel better rather than a means to an end.

My lies tend to be of the sort where I may have a business meeting with someone new, and I did my research on the person, and I'll tell a few lies to mirror their interest to make them a little more comfortable or appreciated depending on the context.

I have a "stronger" personality. All my personal planets and Ascendant are in fixed and cardinal positions. My will is a lot more forword than his. My personal pride wouldn't allow Neptune to thwart my Mars expression to the point it does to him (and he also has the tighter degree).

And because I'm aware of the aspect in my chart I also consciously don't allow myself to sissy out of situations where I should face something head on.

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I suppose context matters though. Today at work where I share my office with my main co-worker someone had a meeting with my co-worker while I was gone. The guy was sitting in my chair. Pride wanted me to tell him to get the hell up but I didn't bother. I didn't need to sit down because my work was done for the moment but a part of me still wanted to check him.

I decided to check the pride and just went for coffee. In that situation I had to think about whether I was dealing with Mars square Neptune, or my general pride caused by my ambitious nature.

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I called him out on his exaggerating tendency once. Not in a mean way but in an empathetic and understanding way because I didn't want him to go on the defensive and just lie more. After I got him to admit to his exaggeration on the issue at hand I gave him advice that I apply to myself.

I told him,

If you find yourself embellishing a story, or making an entire experience up then after you tell that lie commit yourself to making it true so it is no longer a lie. Become the person you fantasize about and you'll probably stop being a liar.

He asked me how I handled the situation so well and getting him to tell the truth without feeling judged and I told him, this being one of my proudest astrological moments,

1. I've seen your natal chart
2. You're a ****** liar

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posted April 15, 2015 08:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^ Well the person I know with the exact Merc/Neptune trine made up she had siblings that she did not have, boyfriends that never existed, wealth and stardom that was entirely in her head - and the occasional dramatic "OMG my -insert made-up family member- was one of the victims targeted in the latest terrorist attack" :/
I've lost count of how many times I walked around with her waiting to meet up with a made-up person who never existed, like her ex "Jonathan", who "looked just like Justin Timberlake" *facepalm*

I know many with the Mars/Neptune square in Libra/Cap and Aries/Cap. I have the conjunction. I've never heard such insane things coming from them.

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posted April 15, 2015 08:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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i called him out on his exaggerating tendency once. Not in a mean way but in an empathetic and understanding way

With my "friend", there was no way to call her out. She would get extremely angry, act like the other person is betraying their friendship and attacking her - and then become vengeful towards the person :/

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posted April 15, 2015 08:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Koho     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Odette:
^^ Well the person I know with the exact Merc/Neptune trine made up she had siblings that she did not have, boyfriends that never existed, wealth and stardom that was entirely in her head - and the occasional dramatic "OMG my -insert made-up family member- was one of the victims targeted in the latest terrorist attack" :/
I've lost count of how many times I walked around with her waiting to meet up with a made-up person who never existed, like her ex "Jonathan", who "looked just like Justin Timberlake" *facepalm*

I know many with the Mars/Neptune square in Libra/Cap and Aries/Cap. I have the conjunction. I've never heard such insane things coming from them.


They probably wouldn't lie about that kind of stuff. The lies seem to me for Mars/Neptune, and specifically males, about how they directly handled a situation when in reality they were probably very meek. But again, it depends on the tightness, and their other placements which would show how well they overcome this issue

Lots of pressure on men to be tough so you can imagine a Mars/Neptune or 12th Mars male lying to save face

Mercury/Neptune would be more about big fantasies I think

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posted April 15, 2015 08:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Koho     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Odette:
With my "friend", there was no way to call her out. She would get extremely angry, act like the other person is betraying their friendship and attacking her - and then become vengeful towards the person :/

Geez, this person is an extreme example. There has to be a ton of other factors.

My cousin is completely harmless in his lies and I can understand why he does it. All he requires is a little support to come open. But harsh judgement, like from his father, makes him create more lies as a defense. Kinda like an octopus' defense mechanism!!

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posted April 15, 2015 08:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aleenaxo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Surprised I haven't seen anything related to Scorpio or Pluto since they love to hide things and be secretive... I know someone with Scorpio rising and Pluto in the first and he is a compulsive liar.

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