posted April 17, 2015 11:49 PM            

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Originally posted by whaaat:
If someone has a water, or air etc void in their chart, do you think it's possible for them to develop the water qualities or air qualities that their chart lacks?

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Hmm

I do think we may attract what we lack, or

seek it out.

In doing so, through our relationships with

these people, I would think Yes.

posted April 17, 2015 11:56 PM            

However, it is an assumption of far-reaching proportions to pin any such notions to what does or does not show in the birth chart of a person for this lifetime. Just because a person was born with an emphasis in earth, for example, does not mean they have not developed fire, air, or water qualities in previous lifetimes.

This is one reason I do not subscribe to sign-based notions 'lack of' in interpreting birth charts. The elements are first and foremost the planets, not signs.

posted April 17, 2015 11:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:

This is one reason I do not subscribe to sign-based notions 'lack of' in interpreting birth charts. The elements are first and foremost the planets, not signs.

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posted April 18, 2015 12:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
That's what we're all doing -- evolving -- only it tends to happen slowly with occasional jumps at critical points.

However, it is an assumption of far-reaching proportions to pin any such notions to what does or does not show in the birth chart of a person for this lifetime. Just because a person was born with an emphasis in earth, for example, does not mean they have not developed fire, air, or water qualities in previous lifetimes.

This is one reason I do not subscribe to sign-based notions 'lack of' in interpreting birth charts. The elements are first and foremost the planets, not signs.

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Ehh

Mars was fire and water

Now it's just fire

Unless you subscribe to 'co-rulerships' of

Signs-- and there may be some validity in that.

Then again, with new discoveries taking place all

the time.. there may not.

posted April 18, 2015 01:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Liliya:
Just wanted to say that you are one of my favourites here. Thank you for being open minded and understanding beyond your own chart.

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That's very sweet of you to say, Liliya :x

posted April 18, 2015 01:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Eirlys:
Ehh

Mars was fire and water

Now it's just fire

Unless you subscribe to 'co-rulerships' of

Signs-- and there may be some validity in that.

Then again, with new discoveries taking place all

the time.. there may not.

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Yes, but its not so much "co-rulers" as a simple recoginition of the vibratory resonance of each planet. Mars and Pluto both vibrate red. Saturn and Uranus, green. Venus, cyan/light blue. Jupiter and Neptune darker blue.

There is not a 1:1 correlation between a planet's 'rulership' of a sign and the element of that planet. You're conflating the two. Mars has always been fire, but in the long absence of Pluto in astrology there was no 'underworld' ruler to associate with the undercurrent and power nature of the fixed water sign. Associating Mars with rulership of a water sign does not make Mars water. Scorpio operates on the principle of conserved, contained, submerged, comparable to Mars retrograde.

Again, planets are primary in astrology and the elements are first associated with their energies, not with the signs. Signs are background. Nothing actually happens without planetary movement.

To address notion of 'void of' ...

To point out that a chart has a 'void of' a particular element because it does not have any planets in that element is to:
(a) not recognize that planets are primary and define these elements;
(b) assume that the chart should be different than it is, which fails to respect the intentions and development process of the soul in question;
(c) distracts from the full aspect picture and other more substantive factors in such a birth chart, which are especially found in the declinations;

Any given birth chart can only represent this lifetime and the intentions for it only. Nodal associations are very general, you could say with fuzzy edges that allow for quite a lot of creative leeway. They certainly cannot be interpreted very specifically.