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Topic: If you only know birthdate-which aspects can you interpret?
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ScorpieScorp
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posted April 18, 2015 02:57 AM
  
Hi--I sometimes want to do a chart on someone--but only know their birthdate and a general idea of where they were born...which aspects/planetary placements can I safely interpret?I know for sure the outside planets, Jupiter, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto pretty much are slower moving--so those are safe to interpret. But what about when you do a synastry--again I can see the slower moving ones can be interpreted... Thoughts? Tips?
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Nine
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posted April 18, 2015 03:49 AM
Everything, if you know the time of birth.Asc & other angles are generally tricky without exact birth time. Perhaps some of the other exotic features; vx, asteroids, helios, draconic... However, general planet to planet comparisons should be fine. Including the moon, if you know birth time as stated. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted April 18, 2015 08:35 AM
Everything but houses which would include the ASC, MC etc. The Moon changes degree in the course of the day, so the degree may not be right.------------------
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ScorpieScorp
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posted April 18, 2015 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by Nine:
Everything, if you know the time of birth.Asc & other angles are generally tricky without exact birth time. Perhaps some of the other exotic features; vx, asteroids, helios, draconic... However, general planet to planet comparisons should be fine. Including the moon, if you know birth time as stated.
Hi Nina--I mistyped...I meant if you don't know birth time, and only know birthdate... 
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ScorpieScorp
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posted April 18, 2015 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Everything but houses which would include the ASC, MC etc. The Moon changes degree in the course of the day, so the degree may not be right.
Hi AmiAnne--but I found that the luminaries' aspects do change...for instance I was looking at a chart where someone had a Pluto/Moon. At certain times it was trine, others opposite, etc. In synastry charts I found the same as well.. Also on synastry charts--I can figure out the overlays for the slower moving planets (only the overlays of my planets) as well... Are there other things you can tell without birth time? IP: Logged |
Blind writer
Knowflake Posts: 569
From: Texas, USA
Registered: May 2012
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posted April 18, 2015 11:29 AM
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Originally posted by ScorpieScorp:
Hi AmiAnne--but I found that the luminaries' aspects do change...for instance I was looking at a chart where someone had a Pluto/Moon. At certain times it was trine, others opposite, etc.In synastry charts I found the same as well.. Also on synastry charts--I can figure out the overlays for the slower moving planets (only the overlays of my planets) as well... Are there other things you can tell without birth time?
The MOON moves on average only about 15° in a day. The difference between a trine and opposition is a whopping 50°, which is at least 4 days-worth. Unless near a sign cusp, you can trust a MOON placement at least by sign. Aspects by sign can be a loose place marker until more accurate birth data can be found. As mentioned above, you cannot interpret the horizon/angles or the house rulerships without an exact time, nor the sensitive VERTEX axis. The SUN moves about 1° in a day, but is stable enough for most interpretations. If you know your own exact birth time, you can see where their planets overlay your chart, but not vice versa. IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee
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From: Portland, OR - USA
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posted April 18, 2015 01:29 PM
I take a look at everything but the Moon, but with a 'soft' interpretation on the stuff Venus and inward and insist on birth time.DECLINATIONS: These parallel and contra-parallel aspects move slower and often stay in range over the course of a 24-hour period. Yes, outer plants can be used to do a rough synastry, but without certainty of the inner planets, you can be wasting your time with speculation and conjecture. ------------------
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starmoon
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posted April 18, 2015 02:10 PM
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
I take a look at everything but the Moon, but with a 'soft' interpretation on the stuff Venus and inward and insist on birth time.DECLINATIONS: These parallel and contra-parallel aspects move slower and often stay in range over the course of a 24-hour period. Yes, outer plants can be used to do a rough synastry, but without certainty of the inner planets, you can be wasting your time with speculation and conjecture.
totally agree with this. i stopped doing synastry when TOB wasn't known for a partner. it's a waste of time imo. it's like looking at a puzzle with pieces missing, you can't figure it out without all the parts, and house overlays and angles make up a significant part of synastry. and the moon, especially, is vital to synastry so if it's questionable.. what's the point. you won't know angles, house positions, moon with definitiveness, etc. and outer planets don't hold enough significance to make knowing them worthwhile. besides, if you're doing synstry with someone and you don't know them well enough to ask for their TOB it's probably a fantasy synastry anyway.. which too many are. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted April 18, 2015 04:25 PM
How fast does Mercury move during a day?------------------
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Blind writer
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posted April 18, 2015 04:33 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
How fast does Mercury move during a day?
Depends, but he and VENUS can race a bit faster than the SUN at times. I'd estimate 1°-1°30' in a day. But they also station and retrograde a lot, so their positions are typically about as stable as the SUN. Checking the chart of declinations can give an idea of their speed for the day, since they take a little while to gather steam. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted April 18, 2015 04:36 PM
i stopped doing synastry when TOB wasn't known for a partner. it's a waste of time imo.It is not ideal, of course, but it still gives valuable info. It doesn't seem right to just throw it away. What do you think? You get all the aspects, except for the exact Moon degree. What if people want a synastry? The info you can get is better than nothing, in the cases in which the time of birth is unknown, for example ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted April 18, 2015 04:49 PM
Thanks BWIt is a study, I guess lol ------------------
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Kannon McAfee
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posted April 18, 2015 05:37 PM
Actually, Mercury moves faster than that. Right now at my location Mercury is at 8TAU14. Tomorrow at the same time/place it will be at 10TAU16. The day after that, 12TAU17. So you can see it is currently moving at a rate of just over 2 degrees daily. It moves up to around 2*15' per day at its fastest. So you can see that for most synastries even Mercury aspects in longitude may move out of orb in the space of a day. So it is always best to have at least a general time of day narrowed down for synastries. ------------------
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starmoon
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posted April 18, 2015 05:38 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:i stopped doing synastry when TOB wasn't known for a partner. it's a waste of time imo.It is not ideal, of course, but it still gives valuable info. It doesn't seem right to just throw it away. What do you think? You get all the aspects, except for the exact Moon degree. What if people want a synastry? The info you can get is better than nothing, in the cases in which the time of birth is unknown, for example [/B]
you don't get the house overlays and angles, and you don't get the moon position. those are vital things for synastry. i get that people might want it done anyway, but it's not a good practice, imo, to do a synastry when you're not looking at an accurate picture. synastry shouldn't be the practice of conjecture, that's how astrology gets a bad rep - "experts" are willing to read when data is missing. IP: Logged |
Blind writer
Knowflake Posts: 569
From: Texas, USA
Registered: May 2012
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posted April 18, 2015 05:52 PM
Kannon:  At his fastest, but he isn't always such a speedster.  Et al: I think it's alright to do a loose synastric interpretation if you tighten up your orbs. But as stated, houses are really pivotal to synastry. Overlays for one person with an accurate time will give some insight, but it should be appropriately prefaced with the disclaimer that it'll be a fairly one-sided analysis. IP: Logged |
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