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Topic: The Difference Between the Ascendent and the MC
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 62116 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 27, 2015 11:09 AM
This is a good question. These two angles can be hard to distinguish, in practical terms. I hope I can shed some light.The Ascendent(ASC) is the part of us which interfaces with the world in our daily life. If I met you, I would see your ASC. If I was ordering dinner and you were my waitress, you would see my ASC. If I received a dish that did not taste right and I wanted to send it back, I would show my ASC in how I responded to the situation. If I was in a store, trying to return an item and the sales person told me that I could not, I would show my ASC in how I responded to that situation. If you saw me at a cocktail party, I would be dressed as my ASC. I would carry myself as my ASC. You would SEE my ASC I am a Libra ASC. Our motto is compromise. We subscribe to the motto of “win/win”. Hence, in the above situations, I would want each party to feel as if he had won, through the vehicle of compromise.If there is a money problem, I will split the difference. I am be soft spoken.I am be gracious. I am refined. I do not scream, yell or demand my rights. That would be a classic Aries ASC aspect, not to diss Aries ASC, but to make a point for purposes of learning. The Libra ASC wants BOTH people to emerge feeling like a winners. That is a classic Libra trait. As a Libra ASC,I would dress simply and in a classic manner. I do not like to call too much attention to myself by dressing too provocatively. I leave that for the Scorpio ASC. I leave the “glam” to the Leo ASC. I would not be loud or take center stage at a party. All my Libra ASC traits would be seen in casual dealings with me. This is the nature of the ASC. When I go home, I am more than my ASC. When I love you, I am more than my ASC. When I am upset and “having a melt down”, I am more than my ASC. When I let loose and show my soul,, I am more than my ASC. However, when I dress in the morning and walk out my door, I am my ASC. I am a Libra ASC, so am using Libra ASC as an example, but the same would apply to any ASC. Let’s take Scorpio, for an example. If I were a Scorpio ASC, you, probably, would not know what I was thinking. You would, probably, have to guess if I liked you, or even cared. If you met me at a cocktail party, you would see a self composed person who holds back. She does not play her cards until she is sure she will not lose an advantage by doing. You would see the wheels turning in my mind. I would not tell you much about my job, my relationships or anything personal. I would talk about the weather or the food at the party. You could tell by the look in my eyes that I was not someone to mess with. You would know, without any words, that I had a personal power that best not be tested. Hence, in the above situations, you would interface with the ASC. However, the person is much more than his ASC. Let me describe the Leo ASC before I move on because I am writing this article for a Leo ASC, Tink from LL. The Leo ASC struts her stuff. However, it is not in a sultry manner, as is the Scorpio ASC. The Leo ASC is similar to a friendly puppy who just wants to bring you a bone and see your face light up with joy at his gift. Leo ASC may talk, talk, talk, and not realize that the listener has given clues by looking, furtively, at the door. The Leo ASC is, simply, like a happy child who takes so much joy in the world that she may not pick up subtle signals that would send another ASC running for the hills. Leo ASC would, probably, dress with care. She may match her shoes to her purse. She, probably, likes glam, glam, glam. She,probably, frequents the jewelry stores, but the purchases are not, solely, for herself. She is very generous and she will give as many gifts to you, as she showers on herself. She may resemble a lion, as in a Farrah Fawcett or Robert Redford. She may have a mane of beautiful hair as does her astrological symbol, Leo the Lion. If you met her at a party, you would see the traits described above, although one must understand that we are focusing on one part of the chart only and other parts blend into the ASC. I hope that goes without saying to all my Astrological Friends. Now, let’s look at the MC. The MC is the angle facing society, in general. This includes one’s career. Hence, one may be very different in one’s career than in one’s daily life.Let me give a simple example. One may be a tyrant CEO at work, bossing the minions, at his pleasure. However, when he goes home, his wife may dominate him with a whip and chain(exaggeration for literary purposes) Hence, we see that the same person may act very differently in different spheres of his life. This general rule needs to be applied to the ASC and MC. One may know the same person in very different guises. The chart clears up the mystery of why. Let’s use the same signs and this time put them on the MC. A Libra MC would seek beauty and compromise in her career. She may be a model, a clothes designer or a lawyer. She would likely be soft spoken in her career role. Picture a Gerry Spence, a commentator during the OJ trial. He was very soft spoken and refined. However, there must have been other sides to him, in order for him to be as successful as he was. Let’s look at a Leo conjunct the MC. This native struts her stuff in the realm of career. She may be a singer. She may be dancer. She may be a librarian. If she is the latter, she will not be dressed in librarian drab. She would glam up the public library, such that little boys would find themselves frequenting the library. Leo is glam. Libra is compromise. One more, if one has Scorpio conjunct the MC, one would be discreet in one’s career. One may be a detective. One may be a writer of crime novels. Whatever career one has, one will be discrete and circumspect. I hope this explains a bit about the differences between the ASC and the MC. ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 62116 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 27, 2015 11:11 AM
I know there are typos. I will fix them later. I need more Virgo ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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venus2tinkerbell Knowflake Posts: 968 From: New York, New York, USA Registered: Nov 2014
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posted April 27, 2015 11:53 AM
This is really good Ami! Ok. I'm going to give it another shot.IP: Logged |
astra7 Knowflake Posts: 531 From: I live at 667 Registered: Sep 2014
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posted April 27, 2015 12:11 PM
Could it be.... ASC - How you show yourself e.g. your appearance, mannerism etc...MC - How public sees you? IP: Logged |
venus2tinkerbell Knowflake Posts: 968 From: New York, New York, USA Registered: Nov 2014
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posted April 27, 2015 12:23 PM
Taurus MC conjunct Moon/Chiron:I'll talk about work, but please don't quote me. I think this is interesting because I think what I am about to describe first is not my MC but my Leo Asc. I think with my co-workers it's my Leo Asc that comes through. My co-workers probably find me more and more abrasive, the more they get to know me. I am not a perfectionist or even very detail oriented, but I am proud of my work, and I often find the input of others (especially when they question me) condescending. I think this is because I have fallen into the role of cleaning up the messes my co-workers make with our client/s. And to do the clean up work I probably use my Moon/MC ability to be very charming and win anybody over. The needs of our clients, especially during a crisis do bring out my more diligent and focused nature, but to get them to trust us after a screw up, I speak to their emotions. Even in the business world it all boils down to fear and pain (and sex). Some will say no, but I know how to reach it and speak to it. And the only time I've failed, was when I didn't have the chance to get involved sooner, before the screw up became a fiasco. I'm probably a little harsh at work because c'mon, I'm a Taurus, and money's on the line. Not just money, but pride, and I guess my sense of self worth. Outside of work, but in society, my concern is fairness and rights. I've lived my life around globe trotting activists, so maybe that doesn't thrill me as much. For me it's more about the little old lady trying to cross the street, or anyone who crosses my path and is in need. I'm gonna do my Asc. in a separate post because speaking of work, I need to do some work. IP: Logged |
Libracorn Knowflake Posts: 185 From: Born in Saturn, grew up in Venus Registered: Sep 2013
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posted April 27, 2015 01:35 PM
This was an interesting article! I loved it, can you do the difference between the Sun and Moon?------------------ capricorn asc ♑ - neptune rising ♆ libra sun ♎ libra moon ♎ Triple Libran, 9th house Stellium in Libra :D IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 62116 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 27, 2015 01:39 PM
quote: Originally posted by astra7: Could it be.... ASC - How you show yourself e.g. your appearance, mannerism etc...MC - How public sees you?
YES, A, but also how YOU act toward the public. ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 62116 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 27, 2015 01:39 PM
quote: Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell: This is really good Ami! Ok. I'm going to give it another shot.
Thank you, Tink. You made my day!
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 62116 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 27, 2015 01:41 PM
quote: Originally posted by Libracorn: This was an interesting article! I loved it, can you do the difference between the Sun and Moon?
Yes, thank you, L. I would love to do an article on that. Thanks for the suggestion! ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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astra7 Knowflake Posts: 531 From: I live at 667 Registered: Sep 2014
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posted April 27, 2015 02:35 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: YES, A, but also how YOU act toward the public.
Yes that makes sense because we would act differently to our loved ones, family or friends as supposed to in a business world or people that are less familiar. I have Libra MC and people have always commented on my grace even when I am running. Honestly, I am not trying to be graceful but that's how I move. LOL IP: Logged |
LovelyAries86 Knowflake Posts: 1994 From: OH, USA Registered: Dec 2012
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posted April 27, 2015 02:35 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I am a Libra ASC. Our motto is compromise. We subscribe to the motto of “win/win”. I am be gracious. I am refined. I do not scream, yell or demand my rights. The Libra ASC wants BOTH people to emerge feeling like a winners. That is a classic Libra trait. As a Libra ASC,I would dress simply and in a classic manner. I do not like to call too much attention to myself by dressing too provocatively. I leave that for the Scorpio ASC. I leave the “glam” to the Leo ASC. I would not be loud or take center stage at a party. All my Libra ASC traits would be seen in casual dealings with me. This is the nature of the ASC.
Great articles you're posting Ami! I'm also Libra ASC. *However* I have Pluto in the First. So on the surface...I'm equally both Libran and Plutonian. My first instinct is to be fair, be polite. But I also am by no means a pushover and I will get you in line VERY quickly if you try me. I don't necessarily have to yell, but the tone of my voice and my body language will readily get my point across! As for how I dress...I don't do "simple". I'm not the t-shirt and jeans girl AT ALL. I do like classic beauty, but it needs to be beauty with an edge or a vivid sensuality - like Liz Taylor, Sophia Loren or Marilyn Monroe in the 50's! I also change hairstyles or hair colors frequently to fit my moods. I like change! The changes do have to be well put-together though, always. I'm class & sass. I'm sugar & spice. I'm open yet mysterious. Do you think people must be utterly confused by me Ami?
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LovelyAries86 Knowflake Posts: 1994 From: OH, USA Registered: Dec 2012
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posted April 27, 2015 02:59 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I hope this explains a bit about the differences between the ASC and the MC.
www.alwaysastrology.com/cancer-midheaven.html ^^This is one of better descriptions of Cancer MC that I have read. Describes us well! Take a look! IP: Logged |
Vixen Knowflake Posts: 115 From: Registered: Apr 2015
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posted April 27, 2015 04:22 PM
This article is great Thanks for explanation, I was thinking about difference between ASC and MC lately I guess my Virgo MC means I want to be perfect in things I do ... To Scorpio ASC style... I would divide Scorpio risers into two basic categories: those who like to dress in that "rrawrrr" provocative style, and those who like to hide themselves My mommy is Libra rising. She is very pleasant and often gives me advice like "You should be nice to others and treat them with kindness and respect" Everyone likes her! Plus she's Cappy with Saturn near her MC. She's very responsible and likes to have things under control. I wish I had discipline Cappy folks often have :P IP: Logged |
jenny415 Knowflake Posts: 1306 From: Denver Registered: Aug 2013
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posted April 27, 2015 04:43 PM
Hey ami! As alwy I love ur words and explaining! I have many squares on my mc. Is this meaning I'm not looked at well in public?This is how I feel sometimes though at same time everyday I get many compliments and stares of like whoa I'm alien or sum thing...so it is confusing. I'm not being conceited, I'm very shy but I would be lying to not admit I get these positive vibes from some strangers on the street. I am approached everydAy. But at same time I can always feel the negative states and negative words about me in public. No matter what I cannot hide when I walk down street no matter how best I try. what asteroids should I enter in to help me understand this?IP: Logged |
Geminiyoungster Knowflake Posts: 154 From: Registered: Jun 2013
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posted April 27, 2015 06:04 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: This is a good question. These two angles can be hard to distinguish, in practical terms. I hope I can shed some light.The Ascendent(ASC) is the part of us which interfaces with the world in our daily life. If I met you, I would see your ASC. If I was ordering dinner and you were my waitress, you would see my ASC. If I received a dish that did not taste right and I wanted to send it back, I would show my ASC in how I responded to the situation. If I was in a store, trying to return an item and the sales person told me that I could not, I would show my ASC in how I responded to that situation. If you saw me at a cocktail party, I would be dressed as my ASC. I would carry myself as my ASC. You would SEE my ASC I am a Libra ASC. Our motto is compromise. We subscribe to the motto of “win/win”. Hence, in the above situations, I would want each party to feel as if he had won, through the vehicle of compromise.If there is a money problem, I will split the difference. I am be soft spoken.I am be gracious. I am refined. I do not scream, yell or demand my rights. That would be a classic Aries ASC aspect, not to diss Aries ASC, but to make a point for purposes of learning. The Libra ASC wants BOTH people to emerge feeling like a winners. That is a classic Libra trait. As a Libra ASC,I would dress simply and in a classic manner. I do not like to call too much attention to myself by dressing too provocatively. I leave that for the Scorpio ASC. I leave the “glam” to the Leo ASC. I would not be loud or take center stage at a party. All my Libra ASC traits would be seen in casual dealings with me. This is the nature of the ASC. When I go home, I am more than my ASC. When I love you, I am more than my ASC. When I am upset and “having a melt down”, I am more than my ASC. When I let loose and show my soul,, I am more than my ASC. However, when I dress in the morning and walk out my door, I am my ASC. I am a Libra ASC, so am using Libra ASC as an example, but the same would apply to any ASC. Let’s take Scorpio, for an example. If I were a Scorpio ASC, you, probably, would not know what I was thinking. You would, probably, have to guess if I liked you, or even cared. If you met me at a cocktail party, you would see a self composed person who holds back. She does not play her cards until she is sure she will not lose an advantage by doing. You would see the wheels turning in my mind. I would not tell you much about my job, my relationships or anything personal. I would talk about the weather or the food at the party. You could tell by the look in my eyes that I was not someone to mess with. You would know, without any words, that I had a personal power that best not be tested. Hence, in the above situations, you would interface with the ASC. However, the person is much more than his ASC. Let me describe the Leo ASC before I move on because I am writing this article for a Leo ASC, Tink from LL. The Leo ASC struts her stuff. However, it is not in a sultry manner, as is the Scorpio ASC. The Leo ASC is similar to a friendly puppy who just wants to bring you a bone and see your face light up with joy at his gift. Leo ASC may talk, talk, talk, and not realize that the listener has given clues by looking, furtively, at the door. The Leo ASC is, simply, like a happy child who takes so much joy in the world that she may not pick up subtle signals that would send another ASC running for the hills. Leo ASC would, probably, dress with care. She may match her shoes to her purse. She, probably, likes glam, glam, glam. She,probably, frequents the jewelry stores, but the purchases are not, solely, for herself. She is very generous and she will give as many gifts to you, as she showers on herself. She may resemble a lion, as in a Farrah Fawcett or Robert Redford. She may have a mane of beautiful hair as does her astrological symbol, Leo the Lion. If you met her at a party, you would see the traits described above, although one must understand that we are focusing on one part of the chart only and other parts blend into the ASC. I hope that goes without saying to all my Astrological Friends. Now, let’s look at the MC. The MC is the angle facing society, in general. This includes one’s career. Hence, one may be very different in one’s career than in one’s daily life.Let me give a simple example. One may be a tyrant CEO at work, bossing the minions, at his pleasure. However, when he goes home, his wife may dominate him with a whip and chain(exaggeration for literary purposes) Hence, we see that the same person may act very differently in different spheres of his life. This general rule needs to be applied to the ASC and MC. One may know the same person in very different guises. The chart clears up the mystery of why. Let’s use the same signs and this time put them on the MC. A Libra MC would seek beauty and compromise in her career. She may be a model, a clothes designer or a lawyer. She would likely be soft spoken in her career role. Picture a Gerry Spence, a commentator during the OJ trial. He was very soft spoken and refined. However, there must have been other sides to him, in order for him to be as successful as he was. Let’s look at a Leo conjunct the MC. This native struts her stuff in the realm of career. She may be a singer. She may be dancer. She may be a librarian. If she is the latter, she will not be dressed in librarian drab. She would glam up the public library, such that little boys would find themselves frequenting the library. Leo is glam. Libra is compromise. One more, if one has Scorpio conjunct the MC, one would be discreet in one’s career. One may be a detective. One may be a writer of crime novels. Whatever career one has, one will be discrete and circumspect. I hope this explains a bit about the differences between the ASC and the MC.
If this is how the public sees you than how would a cancer MC be seen in the public eye in your opinion? I feel like being a Libra rising with a cancer MC can make us seem innocent or too caring to the public. In my opinion, this is not always good because ppl can think that we are pushovers! I have a saturn in pisces (5th house) that trines my Mc in cancer and a jupiter square mc. I would love to hear your take on this. I loved the article Ami! IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 62116 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 27, 2015 07:08 PM
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 62116 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 27, 2015 07:09 PM
quote: Originally posted by Vixen: This article is great Thanks for explanation, I was thinking about difference between ASC and MC lately I guess my Virgo MC means I want to be perfect in things I do ... To Scorpio ASC style... I would divide Scorpio risers into two basic categories: those who like to dress in that "rrawrrr" provocative style, and those who like to hide themselves My mommy is Libra rising. She is very pleasant and often gives me advice like "You should be nice to others and treat them with kindness and respect" Everyone likes her! Plus she's Cappy with Saturn near her MC. She's very responsible and likes to have things under control. I wish I had discipline Cappy folks often have :P
Thank you, V! The ASC is one of the hardest concepts to grasp.
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 62116 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 27, 2015 07:12 PM
quote: Originally posted by jenny415: Hey ami! As alwy I love ur words and explaining! I have many squares on my mc. Is this meaning I'm not looked at well in public?This is how I feel sometimes though at same time everyday I get many compliments and stares of like whoa I'm alien or sum thing...so it is confusing. I'm not being conceited, I'm very shy but I would be lying to not admit I get these positive vibes from some strangers on the street. I am approached everydAy. But at same time I can always feel the negative states and negative words about me in public. No matter what I cannot hide when I walk down street no matter how best I try. what asteroids should I enter in to help me understand this?
Thank you, Jenny!
The squares to angles are hard. My Moon sq my ASC, so I can talk from experience. They make you doubt yourself, as you describe perfectly. They make you feel insecure. YOU just helped me to see this and that is that my Moon conj the MC makes me comfortable with career but the square to the ASC makes me second guess how much of my heart I should share in real life. We help each other here! :heart"
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 62116 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 27, 2015 07:15 PM
If this is how the public sees you than how would a cancer MC be seen in the public eye in your opinion? I feel like being a Libra rising with a cancer MC can make us seem innocent or too caring to the public. In my opinion, this is not always good because ppl can think that we are pushovers! I have a saturn in pisces (5th house) that trines my Mc in cancer and a jupiter square mc.I would love to hear your take on this. I loved the article Ami! Thank you GY! OK The Cancer MC is seen as a caring, nurturing person. I was just thinking about the pushover things today, You don't know HOW many people think they can harass me and I am easy pickings. It takes me a long time to react but there is not one person who has pushed me too far that does not regret it ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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DeeMonroe Knowflake Posts: 39 From: ATL, Jawja Registered: Jun 2011
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posted April 28, 2015 12:07 AM
I wonder how ppl see me...Scorpio ASC with Leo Midheaven + 10th Leo Stellium If I'm quiet at work or a little aloof, ppl automatically assume I'm in a bad mood. Like today, I was so moody. Couldn't understand it so I kept to myself IP: Logged |
LovelyAries86 Knowflake Posts: 1994 From: OH, USA Registered: Dec 2012
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posted April 28, 2015 01:46 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: LA I am not confused by you. You are amazing
Okay I'm relieved! LOL I enjoy my Libra / Cancer energy. But I'm quite thankful for my Aries / Scorpio influence because they balances things out and help me to embrace my Power. IP: Logged |
awakemer Knowflake Posts: 960 From: sherman oaks, ca,USA Registered: Aug 2011
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posted April 28, 2015 02:36 AM
i do think that sometimes the sun or moon or even venus characteriistics come through when you meet people. for example my buddy has scorpio rising but she is very outgoing when you meet her, she is the typical discreet mysterious scorpio girl.. and yes i'm positive she's scorpio rising she really looks like one and acts like one but she's very in your face when you meet her. she has sag sun and moon in cancer. I have capricorn rising but i didn't act like one until later in life. i dressed very much like my sun/moon in leo very glamorous and flamboyant. Now i dress more modest ( i also have venus virgo) and i'm much more professional and polite, and reserved when you meet me. IP: Logged |
ikja Knowflake Posts: 1235 From: London, UK Registered: Oct 2014
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posted April 28, 2015 02:47 AM
I don't think my Scorpio ascendant SHOWS very easy tbh, but I can feel some traits at work. I can be quite shy and quiet, I think I'm more inclined to display my Gemini sun and Aries moon. However, when people get to know me on a one to one basis... I would be more inclined to unleash my Scorpio.I have a Virgo MC and I am definitely a perfectionist when it comes to my work. I always want it to be perfect and it takes me forever to finalise my research articles lol because I'm always thinking of small changes. IP: Logged |
astra7 Knowflake Posts: 531 From: I live at 667 Registered: Sep 2014
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posted April 28, 2015 04:59 AM
Just a trivial thing but I've been thinking about grace/Libra and when you look at Elvis's chart, his 4th house ruler (Mars) is in 10th H Libra (grace) and of course his home graceland is well-known (10th H). IP: Logged |
Plutonian_Gal8 Knowflake Posts: 575 From: Registered: Jan 2014
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posted April 28, 2015 05:56 AM
SO glad you stapled this topic on the forum, I've been pondering how to even ask the differences between the two as I've been lost with my chart for a few years. Hard to nestle into having a Libra MC but you've opened my mind to how these placements play out. I don't have Pluto conjuncting the MC, but simply situated in the 10th and that's the primary thing I was trying to understand. In the arena of Work and Reputation I honestly behave with intense energy. I've always had a passion for detective work and law enforcement, period. Trying to properly gauge where all my Scorpio energy goes because I feel it is projected a lot in public more so than in any other area of my life. Thank you Ami for yet another well conveyed topic!
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