posted May 05, 2015 01:10 PM            

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What I'm trying to learn is how the square plays out. I'm giving examples of what potentially could become from a square to another planet. It creates a weakness normally.
But I've been wondering if it's a weakness when square the NN or does it become a powerhouse?

So I guess ill have to give options on how it could play out...I was answering regarding it being a weakening aspect but it could be just the opposite.

posted May 05, 2015 01:25 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Could you list your NN(house, sign, 0-3 degree aspects) then list the planet, point or major asteroid that squares your NN and it's house, sign and 0-3 degree aspects please?

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Sure.

But do you want *all* of the 0-3 degree aspects for NN,

and the *all* of the 0-3 degree aspects for the planet

that squares it?

Or just the NN/squared planet(s) details?

Also- True or Mean Node?

Sorry, 'aspects' is plural, so I'm a little confused..

thanks

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Nothing is permanent in this wicked world; not even our troubles.

posted May 05, 2015 01:39 PM            

NN: Sagittarius / 1st house
conjunct Neptune 0°12
sextile Pallas 0°59
sextile Pluto 1°04
conjunct ASC 3°03

square Jupiter 1°03
square Ceres 0°32

Jupiter and Ceres both in Pisces in 3rd house

Jupiter:
square Neptune 1°16
conjunct Ceres 1°35

Ceres:
conjunct Jupiter 1°35
square ASC 2°19
square Neptune 0°19
quinkunx Pluto 0°32

posted May 05, 2015 03:03 PM            

"Problems that need to be recognized and overcome may be caused through an anti-social outlook and disharmonious conduct within your social environment."

posted May 05, 2015 03:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Eirlys:

Sure.

But do you want *all* of the 0-3 degree aspects for NN,

and the *all* of the 0-3 degree aspects for the planet

that squares it?

Or just the NN/squared planet(s) details?

Also- True or Mean Node?

Sorry, 'aspects' is plural, so I'm a little confused..

thanks

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posted May 05, 2015 04:04 PM            

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Originally posted by ail221:
Aquarius NN in 10th all other planetary aspects are just at 4 orbs.
Conjunct Lilith/Midheaven Aquarius in 10th 1 orb
Conjunct Mars/Vertex Midpoint in Aquarius 10th
squares:
Mars in Taurus 12th 3 orbs
trine Uranus in Capricorn 8th
Valentine in Scorpio 6th 1 orb
sextile Uranus

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Ok....so the Aqua NN(Lilith/MC) t-squares your 12th house taurus Mars opposes 6th house scorp Valentine?
With additional Uranus aspects-
Semi-sextile NN
Trine Mars
Sextile Valentine

Your life path needs to be one of brilliance and originality used in your work, you have a deep desire to be revolutionary in your thinking and come up with new ideas to overcome challenges in life esp regarding the area of your work. Some of these things others might see as inappropriate or taboo but they are living inside the box that you are trying break free from, maybe even burn that box up!! You want to use your ideas overcome the things that you feel are in the way of progress, the things you fear are controlling and oppressive to humanity. You long to free ppl from their bondage and slavery to a "perceived" higher power that has them under their control.

This energy is squared by your Mars, a "missed step" that is blessing also.
It's both of these because yes, it was something you didn't accomplish in the past life...which means in this life your getting an extra dose of stress to push you forward relating to this planet. It's this stress that pushes you forward to make sure that planets energy becomes a strength this time around. It will be hard at first, it will be a push and pull but the stress won't let you give up..it will keep pushing you.

With your taurus Mars in 12th, your first instinct will be to let others run you over, you will not take care of yourself, you will not be inclined to meet your own needs. This is how you lived in the past and the reason you didn't accomplish or have a missed step. This is the energy you will be forced to overcome this time around.

The fact that Mars is opposed 6th house Valentine gives a good indication of how you have allowed yourself to be the martyr for others...you give and give. You see others in need, they come to you for help, assistance, money, they want you to take care of them to the point you have nothing left with which to take care of yourself.
They suck you dry and leave you empty, they leave you starving. You reason "How can I turn away someone who needs my help. Without me they wouldn't have enough to survive...I need to help others"

Your mission is to find the balance between the 6th house Valentine need to help others, to do their work for them to the exclusion of taking care of yourself and your Taurus Mars....which is in a very challenged place in your chart, the 12th house.

Your Mars needs to step up and start putting yourself first....very hard for you to do with a 6th house highly dedicated scorpio Valentine. But none the less it needs to happen!
So how do you do this??
12th house, house of the subconscious, the place we fear diving into because what's in there? We don't know!! It's the fear of the unknown that's terrifying.

Did you know our subconscious mind is not afraid of being in pain? Pain is not what makes us run in fear of something...what terrifies us on a subconscious level is the unknown. That's why women who are being abused will stay with the abuser rather than take help that's offered by someone safe. They are unfamiliar with he kindness so it's the kindness that terrifies them. This is why even if they did leave the abuser they would find another abuser...it's what they know, it's safe....the pain is not what hurts or scares them as much as stepping into a situation that they are unfamiliar with.

So how does this relate to you?
Your taurus Mars being in the 12th house indicates your fight for life starts in your subconscious mind.
The only way to overcome this cycle of ppl using you until you have nothing left and feel your starving is to find these places in your subconscious that fear stepping out of this cycle and allowing yourself to slowly open up to learn things, to learn new ways to perceive yourself and attain new foundations of beliefs that become your subconscious foundation.
You must force yourself to stop the loop of voices that te you, you must be everyone else's slave in order to be a good valuable person. You must auto yourself from believing your only value is to be in service to others.
You must pick up your taurus Mars energy and let you start pampering yourself and grow accustomed to that instead of pampering everyone else to your own destruction.
This is not your life path....this is the step that needs to happen before you can fully follow your life path.
This is what prevents you from fully letting go, believing in yourself and being able to fight against the ppl that are trying to keep you trapped in the same box they are trapped in.
Your meant to be inspiring, revolutionary and the rebellious one blazing new paths. You can't be this when your fighting the feeling that your job is be the savior serving from behind, cleaning up everyone's little messes, making sure they are cared for and not making any waves as you grow weaker and weaker.

The Uranus aspects only validate that following your path requires you to look beyond the mundane, don't follow others paths...think for yourself. What others think is wrong may not be wrong for you. Don't get caught up in any one belief learn them all and crate your own based on all those beliefs after you've taken the good from them, use the good, use what ACTUALLY works after you've researched it, not what others have been blindly led into believing works.

Sorry for typos...as always in my phone. I'll edit later.

posted May 05, 2015 04:11 PM            

1H NN at 26°56' Pisces

square:
11H Saturn at 25°16' Sagittarius
11H Uranus at 27°33' Sagittarius
5H Chiron at 25°15' Gemini

posted May 05, 2015 04:16 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Ok....so the Aqua NN(Lilith/MC) t-squares your 12th house taurus Mars opposes 6th house scorp Valentine?
With additional Uranus aspects-
Semi-sextile NN
Trine Mars
Sextile Valentine

Your life path needs to be one of brilliance and originality used in your work, you have a deep desire to be revolutionary in your thinking and come up with new ideas to overcome challenges in life esp regarding the area of your work. Some of these things others might see as inappropriate or taboo but they are living inside the box that you are trying break free from, maybe even burn that box up!! You want to use your ideas overcome the things that you feel are in the way of progress, the things you fear are controlling and oppressive to humanity. You long to free ppl from their bondage and slavery to a "perceived" higher power that has them under their control.

This energy is squared by your Mars, a "missed step" that is blessing also.
It's both of these because yes, it was something you didn't accomplish in the past life...which means in this life your getting an extra dose of stress to push you forward relating to this planet. It's this stress that pushes you forward to make sure that planets energy becomes a strength this time around. It will be hard at first, it will be a push and pull but the stress won't let you give up..it will keep pushing you.

With your taurus Mars in 12th, your first instinct will be to let others run you over, you will not take care of yourself, you will not be inclined to meet your own needs. This is how you lived in the past and the reason you didn't accomplish or have a missed step. This is the energy you will be forced to overcome this time around.

The fact that Mars is opposed 6th house Valentine gives a good indication of how you have allowed yourself to be the martyr for others...you give and give. You see others in need, they come to you for help, assistance, money, they want you to take care of them to the point you have nothing left with which to take care of yourself.
They suck you dry and leave you empty, they leave you starving. You reason "How can I turn away someone who needs my help. Without me they wouldn't have enough to survive...I need to help others"

Your mission is to find the balance between the 6th house Valentine need to help others, to do their work for them to the exclusion of taking care of yourself and your Taurus Mars....which is in a very challenged place in your chart, the 12th house.

Your Mars needs to step up and start putting yourself first....very hard for you to do with a 6th house highly dedicated scorpio Valentine. But none the less it needs to happen!
So how do you do this??
12th house, house of the subconscious, the place we fear diving into because what's in there? We don't know!! It's the fear of the unknown that's terrifying.

Did you know our subconscious mind is not afraid of being in pain? Pain is not what makes us run in fear of something...what terrifies us on a subconscious level is the unknown. That's why women who are being abused will stay with the abuser rather than take help that's offered by someone safe. They are unfamiliar with he kindness so it's the kindness that terrifies them. This is why even if they did leave the abuser they would find another abuser...it's what they know, it's safe....the pain is not what hurts or scares them as much as stepping into a situation that they are unfamiliar with.

So how does this relate to you?
Your taurus Mars being in the 12th house indicates your fight for life starts in your subconscious mind.
The only way to overcome this cycle of ppl using you until you have nothing left and feel your starving is to find these places in your subconscious that fear stepping out of this cycle and allowing yourself to slowly open up to learn things, to learn new ways to perceive yourself and attain new foundations of beliefs that become your subconscious foundation.
You must force yourself to stop the loop of voices that te you, you must be everyone else's slave in order to be a good valuable person. You must auto yourself from believing your only value is to be in service to others.
You must pick up your taurus Mars energy and let you start pampering yourself and grow accustomed to that instead of pampering everyone else to your own destruction.
This is not your life path....this is the step that needs to happen before you can fully follow your life path.
This is what prevents you from fully letting go, believing in yourself and being able to fight against the ppl that are trying to keep you trapped in the same box they are trapped in.
Your meant to be inspiring, revolutionary and the rebellious one blazing new paths. You can't be this when your fighting the feeling that your job is be the savior serving from behind, cleaning up everyone's little messes, making sure they are cared for and not making any waves as you grow weaker and weaker.

The Uranus aspects only validate that following your path requires you to look beyond the mundane, don't follow others paths...think for yourself. What others think is wrong may not be wrong for you. Don't get caught up in any one belief learn them all and crate your own based on all those beliefs after you've taken the good from them, use the good, use what ACTUALLY works after you've researched it, not what others have been blindly led into believing works.

Sorry for typos...as always in my phone. I'll edit later.

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"With your taurus Mars in 12th, your first instinct will be to let others run you over, you will not take care of yourself, you will not be inclined to meet your own needs."

Not really I'am called the little warrior in my family for a reason. I literally have to burn off temper daily to stay balanced. I don't let people push me around I never have even as a kid. I was the kid most likely to enact my revenge if wronged and the first one to roundhouse a boy for getting in my way. I actually love taking care of myself and indulgence I'am not one for excess because financial stability is important to me but I do take care of myself unless I end up on some odd project to trial I need to get through.

posted May 05, 2015 04:58 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Could you list your NN(house, sign, 0-3 degree aspects) then list the planet, point or major asteroid that squares your NN and it's house, sign and 0-3 degree aspects please?

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posted May 05, 2015 05:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Keeping it simple (only the big asteroids):

NN: Sagittarius / 1st house
conjunct Neptune 0°12
sextile Pallas 0°59
sextile Pluto 1°04
conjunct ASC 3°03

square Jupiter 1°03
square Ceres 0°32

Jupiter and Ceres both in Pisces in 3rd house

Jupiter:
square Neptune 1°16
conjunct Ceres 1°35

Ceres:
conjunct Jupiter 1°35
square ASC 2°19
square Neptune 0°19
quinkunx Pluto 0°32

Did you mean it like that?

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Ceri, please read this and let me know if it's how you feel or if you feel the opposite of this. Do you think the square weakens or strengthens. Normally a square is a block but I'm wondering if when it's square NN if it becomes a strength, a powerhouse maybe? So read this and tell me how I'm wrong or right! It will help me understand how the aspect works.

Ok.. you have saggy NN/Neptune/AC square pisces Jupiter/Ceres in 3rd...Pallas/Pluto sextile NN/Neptune/AC

Very spiritual NN and it's meant for everyone to see. This would be an aspect you'd see in a monk or someone who very obviously has dedicated there life to pursuit of spirituality. Which you have obviously....you use astrology, music and your learning in this pursuit.
Your entire being from the outside seems to be this highly spiritual being, that's who you are and where your going...you know it!! You show it! You prove it everyday, so then why do you doubt it so much?
When your in your quiet moments, alone....do you feel lost or wonder what is your purpose and maybe feel you alone.

Your challenge is to for a moment drop the NN path that your putting on display and get real with yourself. Don't think you are not really the person you are putting out there, because you most definitely are!!
But you must drop the responsibility of keeping up that appearances for a moment and work on your belief in yourself.
Your pisces Jupiter/Ceres in 3rd house potentially is telling you that you cannot and have not nurtured your beliefs in yourself. In your past lives and possibly now you allowed the circumstances of your childhood to alter your core foundation of who you are. You allowed the things that happened to you to assimilate into you and become what you believe you are.
If you go back into your memories of your childhood, your beliefs about yourself you can potentially correct them. Separate your self value from what other ppl tried to get you to believe or what they taught you about yourself.
Pisces Jupiter is asking you to turn to places other than earth to find belief in yourself. It's asking you to turn inside yourself and see your infinite, see the infinite I sue you.
I know you already do this, rise above earth and reconnect to Gods love for you and then believe in that love so powerfully that it overwrites what any human has told you or treated you in a way that has led you to believe your anything other than amazing.

Maybe you ou've come into this life feeling like it's a facade...your know who you are mostly but you have doubts.

Jupiter square could shows your doubts or determination, in the 3rd house shows where those doubts originated from conjunct Ceres shows potentially how you have not nurtured your belief in yourself regarding your NN and it shows the nurturing you will do to fix it.

(Take this with a grain of salt...it's just an example)
Everytime you hear the doubts, stop and observe them. Follow them backwards don't judge or think at all about what they are saying or where they take you...just observe. Pay attention to all the details...ask questions as you hear the recordings...
Example....you are doing something that you are really proud of yourself for, then you hear or feel an energy that makes you sad come out of nowhere. Ask yourself why do I feel sad when I have not done anything wrong I should feel happy.
Then hear the answer...maybe it's something like, your stupid or what do you think you know, you don't know anything.
Ask another question...who said I was stupid, I'm not stupid I'm very smart.
Listen again for an answer....maybe it says you always lose. Nobody's ever given you praise why do you think you deserve it now? Nobody will ever give it to you, you deserve to be nothing.
For awhile, a year or more don't expect yourself to be a leader or look for praise anywhere. Just try to let go of needing that and instead focus on the recordings in your head that won't allow you to accept your greatness,

Follow these negative recordings to there deepest place, and argue with them all the way down. Keep them talking until you fully understand their perspective. Their perspective is a belief held in your subconscious foundation. In order to change these beliefs you must get to their foundation and start putting new possibilities for beliefs in their with them. Then use logic to help you see that the new beliefs make more sense and it's time to overwrite the old outdated beliefs with more enlightened, expanded and optimistic beliefs.

Once you work on this, you will find more and it's pop up to he worked on. Once you start getting some of these larger negative foundation beliefs rewritten, your mind eventually will start working on these things without so much conscious concentrated effort...you will find the negative sticks out like an ugly picture amongst beautiful ones. You'll notice it just doesn't fit with you anymore.

posted May 05, 2015 05:01 PM            

What can I say my life is full of pain and health issues.

posted May 05, 2015 05:16 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by ail221:
"With your taurus Mars in 12th, your first instinct will be to let others run you over, you will not take care of yourself, you will not be inclined to meet your own needs."

Not really I'am called the little warrior in my family for a reason. I literally have to burn off temper daily to stay balanced. I don't let people push me around I never have even as a kid. I was the kid most likely to enact my revenge if wronged and the first one to roundhouse a boy for getting in my way. I actually love taking care of myself and indulgence I'am not one for excess because financial stability is important to me but I do take care of myself unless I end up on some odd project to trial I need to get through.

"That's why women who are being abused will stay with the abuser rather than take help that's offered by someone safe"
Again, no I'm not the one to stay in a abusive relationship or even allow it to get that far.

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I was not saying you'd stay in an abusive relationship, I was using it as an example.

Then maybe your using your Mars energy more....
The opposition between Valentine/Mars is a balancing act. You may swing from one extreme to the other, but the point is these two polarities are a potential distraction that keeps you from your NN path.
Getting the balance and finding a way to do it that is positive to all is the answer.
Being that it's 6/12th house opposition shows past subconscious behaviors are playing out here.
Mars in 12th usually means a weakened Mars but it also mean it's a very strong part of your subconscious. If your able to bring it forward so easily then perhaps the balance for you is to make sure to remember to do for others as yourself.
It's about balancing these 2 energies to help you along your path.

Plus.....I'm trying to understand the missed step, if it's something that's going overboard in strength in this life because it was ignored in the last or is it something that is still going to be a weakness in this life. I've never got any feedback on how these play out.

posted May 05, 2015 05:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Selenite:
NORTH NODE SQUARE ASCENDANT:
NN 4H Scorpio 14º
squaring AC Leo 16º

"Problems that need to be recognized and overcome may be caused through an anti-social outlook and disharmonious conduct within your social environment."

Lol sigh

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I see this as what you project doesn't fit in with where your going spiritually. Like deep inside you feel you must portray something that just isn't who you feel you need to be or want to be to progress in life.
For some reason you feel you must be this certain person but you know that's not really who you are or who you want to be.

posted May 05, 2015 05:37 PM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
NORTHNODE SQUARE MOON

NorthNode Sag 26+ H1 square Virgo Moon 24+ H9,intercepted

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posted May 05, 2015 05:52 PM            

NN Scorpio 13° 7th house

Square Leo Sun 16° 4th house.

posted May 05, 2015 06:00 PM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
Hey that's great Gabby, can I get your view on my placement (after you check the others before me of course )

1H NN at 26°56' Pisces

square:
11H Saturn at 25°16' Sagittarius
11H Uranus at 27°33' Sagittarius
5H Chiron at 25°15' Gemini

My Saturn-Uranus conjunction trines Aries Jupiter, semi-squares Pluto and is part of a larger Stellium with my Capricorn Sun, Neptune and Mercury.

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Oh boy!! Ok, I'm going to think about this for a bit. I have to go for a bit but I'll be back.

The houses say something to the effect of restrictive friends not letting you be who you really are or break free from their judgments to follow your own path is needing to be balanced with the pain you feel from love. You don't feel free to enjoy life potentially, you get hurt when you try to. Maybe when you do try to go your own way and get hurt you always return to the restrictions based around your friendships. Either way your miserable....this back n forth makes it where your trapped in a cycle and distracts you from following your spiritual path.

posted May 05, 2015 06:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:
Yeah, they're weaknesses for me.

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Did you put yours up?

I kind of think these squares would be extremes either way, as in an extreme weakness or an extreme strength but that extreme strength could also be a distraction from your path. It's just a matter of finding out how it plays out in each persons chart.
Hard is not always strength sometimes it is a weakness...true strength is the ability to be flexible, adapt and change with the flow I life.
In my book I write about these 2 trees that were in my front yard as a child. One was a huge, very solid and appeared to be a very strong tree. The other was this tiny little twig looking tree that my mom had just planted.

We had a terrible storm, straight line winds tearing everything apart. I watched from my window as the wings blew everything apart and was amazed at these 2 trees.
The tree that appeared so strong wasnt, it's branches were being ripped apart, but the tiny little twig of a tree was still in tact. It was whipping around everywhere with the winds, but it never broke, it was flexible enough to have some give and adjust to the situation. The big tree was hard, it could not bend so it's branches broke off.
After the storm was over the big tree that looked strong died, wasn't strong ...it was only hard and died because of it.
That little tiny twig of a tree.....was obviously beaten up but it was still standing and lived because it was flexible and was able to bend.

In life being hard doesn't equal being strong and being soft doesn't equal weakness. It's all in how we use it. What brings strength and power is the ability to be present and comprehend when it's time to stand strong and when it's time to change and bend to the forces around you.

posted May 05, 2015 06:26 PM            

Libra Moon, 2nd house
orb: 1.47

Ceres, Libra, 2nd house
orb: 2.26