posted May 07, 2015 05:17 AM            

moon - emotional connection that will develop
mars - what sexually attracts him from the beginning - lust ex. cancer mars tend to like big breasted women stereotype)
venus - what kind of person he considers beautiful (ex. cancer might want a woman that's more housewife-ish)
lilith - the type of woman he wants but can't handle but tempts him (so like this would be his mistress/side chick)
juno - what he looks for in a wife

posted May 07, 2015 05:23 AM            

Could you say something about this man:

posted May 07, 2015 05:46 AM            

The moon sign serves to "decode" how that particular individual perceives love.

And the aspects to the moon suggest challenges (in the case adverse aspects) or emphasis (supportive aspects),in their perception of what that love is.

So the Moon sign in partners is so important. As it is from the emotional mind(Moon) that our life experiences are judged from.

And it is from this same planet that we continually make decisions about future experiences.

It is interesting to note that in very many cases, the aspects,position and sign of the Moon in the chart accurately describes the relationship the individual has with the mother/early maternal figure.

So you can guess that if the Moon is challenged or in a position that is uncomfortable, the man will respond in ways to "make up" or compensate for the chasm within.

posted May 07, 2015 07:24 AM            

These people are all about touch, feel, caress, smell and "feel" through life- in the physical 5 senses.

Now Aquarius is caring and altruistic. But has so many concerns that span over so many people,that they prefer a lightness of touch- as opposed to intense involvement.

So we have the Moon in Aquarius being comfortable with a "lightness of touch" vs the intensely physically involved Taurus stellium.

In marriage, he may be drawn to two types that will show this chasm to him over and over again;

1. A partner that is physically attentive and demanding sexually. Wanting him to connect with them in an intimate and involved way(Taurus).

2. A partner that is detached and seems to "downsize" the physical aspect of the relationship and even progressively replaces affection with platonic friendship and limited sexual contact(Aquarius).

If the former,he is likely to feel smothered.If the latter, he is likely to feel abandoned.

Either way, he is likely to not be too happy as he tries to "combine" the need for affection(Taurus)and simultaneously the need for personal freedom(Aquarius).

Fixed placement squares are very challenging as they tend to be very "stuck" in their ways.

posted May 07, 2015 07:31 AM            

Just wanted to say I admire your brilliant posts, always.

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On topic,

posted May 07, 2015 08:29 AM            

Very interesting!
I am involved with him yes, but it's not very 'official', he's very contradicting in showing/telling he wants/loves me, so i definitely see that duality between distance and closeness in him.

How to handle him?

posted May 07, 2015 09:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Aries23,
Just wanted to say I admire your brilliant posts, always.

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posted May 07, 2015 09:24 AM            

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Originally posted by lisalisa:
@aries23degrees

Very interesting!
I am involved with him yes, but it's not very 'official', he's very contradicting in showing/telling he wants/loves me, so i definitely see that duality between distance and closeness in him.

How to handle him?

I have my moon in gem (not trine his moon)
My sun in Libra conjunct his Jupiter rx and Saturn rx thus my sun trines his moon in aqua, my sun also is in the 11th house..
My IC is in aqua not conjunct his moon
My ASC conjunct my Pluto and Venus in Scorpio is opposing his Taurus stellium..

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The Pluto/Venus conjunct the Asc explains your attraction to him.

And rightly put, that Taurus stellium is just too sexy for yoour Venus on the Asc . Yummy!!

But you also bring to him his worst fears. Whether you may be conscious of this or not,he may think that you seek to "change" him(your Pluto in 1st) in a fundamental way.

This is what your Pluto on the Asc/Dsc axis does. The relationships you get into, you seek to redefine,deepen or have them change you in some way.

But this "change" may not be limited to you only.The partner comes along for the ride 100% of the time.

Now with another Scorpio/Cancer or Pisces placement,this is exciting.But for "things are fine on the surface" Taurus and "let's keep it platonic" Aquarius.This is too much!

I highlighted that square fixed signs are by far the most challenging.These people often keep things "as is" and can get stuck in the "groove".

It is often a catastrophic event that reshapes their lives and they(ever so reluctantly and painfully) are forced to change.

But once that change is done and dusted, they realize the "worth" of the transition. Until they dig in their heels on this "new" ground again

The person may not change because they may not even be aware that they have a problem.

Do you see that the confusion that you feel in responding to him is reflective of that Moon chasm harsh aspects?

You don't know whether to hug him or leave him? Show him affection or give him space?

Now the question that you should be asking yourself is; is this back/forth motion worth the effort?

I really would not suggest that you tie yourself to this paradox in the long-term.

posted May 07, 2015 09:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

Either way, he is likely to not be too happy as he tries to "combine" the need for affection(Taurus)and simultaneously the need for personal freedom(Aquarius).

Fixed placement squares are very challenging as they tend to be very "stuck" in their ways.

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Hi Aries,

this sounds a little fatalistic at first glance, but on second reading I interpret it as big likelihood of unhappiness, if the native seeks to 'combine' both needs in relationships with other people. Whereas if he seeks to integrate them internally in his own character, he wouldn't feel the need to go in 1 of two directions or combine 2 'conflicting' forces in a relationship. Or is this wishful thinking on my part, and you feel this is generally a 'doomed' aspect?

posted May 07, 2015 09:44 AM            

The ones fulfilling both these needs will have at least one other personal fixed planet in direct aspect with this square.

EDIT: for you, SaturnFan, a personal Leo planet closing the cross for you would fulfill this need.

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posted May 07, 2015 10:00 AM            

I've grown to really appreciate and love my t-square and its lessons, but I still get small bolts of panic when I read about the challenges.

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You become aware of them very early in life and a relational square shows itself from the first relationships.

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Very true!

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
EDIT: for you, SaturnFan, a personal Leo planet closing the cross for you would fulfill this need.

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posted May 07, 2015 10:21 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I disagree with this view of the square.
You become aware of them very early in life and a relational square shows itself from the first relationships.
They simply show you need a lot of modal energy in that area: in this case, your Venus/Moon needs a lot of fixed energy.
You become aware of the fact you need both the sensuality of Taurus AND the intellectual openness and progressiveness of Aquarius. You basically need whatever is Fixed essence in these signs. You search for a person having both characteristics.

The ones fulfilling both these needs will have at least one other personal fixed planet in direct aspect with this square.

EDIT: for you, SaturnFan, a personal Leo planet closing the cross for you would fulfill this need.

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What is a fixed planet? Or do you mean a planet in a fixed sign?

So in synastry i have my venus in contact with his venus exact opposition to the orb
I have no other fixed planets in my chart only scorpio

posted May 07, 2015 01:34 PM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
Hi Aries,

this sounds a little fatalistic at first glance, but on second reading I interpret it as big likelihood of unhappiness, if the native seeks to 'combine' both needs in relationships with other people.

Whereas if he seeks to integrate them internally in his own character, he wouldn't feel the need to go in 1 of two directions or combine 2 'conflicting' forces in a relationship. Or is this wishful thinking on my part, and you feel this is generally a 'doomed' aspect?

(I have a Taurus Moon square Aquarius Venus/ AC and opposite Scorpio Pluto, so am very interested to hear your thoughts )

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No person is ever "doomed" with the aspects they have. I just highlighted the chasm between the two energies involved.

I agree that the individual can consciously make both energies work for them instead of siding with one and "squaring off" with the other.

But the individual must be aware of this inner chasm and master it. This is key in coming into any relationship.

The problem is that when that individual is not aware, they perpetuate the painful position of the Moon aspects that they so desperately want to resolve. Often projecting them on to the partner.

People who love them may not know how and when to respond; do they let the person be? Or do they come closer and hug them?

The response is seldom satisfactory for the person. At times they feel abandoned. At other times smothered! And this is the issue with challenging aspects to the Moon.

Domestic harmony is hard to come by as the emotional mind(Moon) wrestles, resists and is suspicious of the love/affection that it is given.

But on the other hand, can also grow very resentful and insecure if that affection is not forthcoming.

Moodiness, sensitive temperament and general dissatisfaction is often the result of all that is going on within the person.

Nothing and no-one externally can help or change that. It takes the individual to be aware of this pattern of up/down motion.

posted May 07, 2015 03:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Most people's first response to relationships, is based on the earliest experiences that they had with maternal figures(mom and dad).

The moon sign serves to "decode" how that particular individual perceives love.

And the aspects to the moon suggest challenges (in the case adverse aspects) or emphasis (supportive aspects),in their perception of what that love is.

So the Moon sign in partners is so important. As it is from the emotional mind(Moon) that our life experiences are judged from.

And it is from this same planet that we continually make decisions about future experiences.

It is interesting to note that in very many cases, the aspects,position and sign of the Moon in the chart accurately describes the relationship the individual has with the mother/early maternal figure.

So you can guess that if the Moon is challenged or in a position that is uncomfortable, the man will respond in ways to "make up" or compensate for the chasm within.

What aspects does the Moon make to other planets? As these will modify the Moon in Taurus position.

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posted May 08, 2015 05:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
No person is ever "doomed" with the aspects they have. I just highlighted the chasm between the two energies involved.

I agree that the individual can consciously make both energies work for them instead of siding with one and "squaring off" with the other.

But the individual must be aware of this inner chasm and master it. This is key in coming into any relationship.

The problem is that when that individual is not aware, they perpetuate the painful position of the Moon aspects that they so desperately want to resolve. Often projecting them on to the partner.

People who love them may not know how and when to respond; do they let the person be? Or do they come closer and hug them?

The response is seldom satisfactory for the person. At times they feel abandoned. At other times smothered! And this is the issue with challenging aspects to the Moon.

Domestic harmony is hard to come by as the emotional mind(Moon) wrestles, resists and is suspicious of the love/affection that it is given.

But on the other hand, can also grow very resentful and insecure if that affection is not forthcoming.

Moodiness, sensitive temperament and general dissatisfaction is often the result of all that is going on within the person.

Nothing and no-one externally can help or change that. It takes the individual to be aware of this pattern of up/down motion.

Your T-square pattern is quite interesting BTW.

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Thank you for this brilliant analysis, Aries.

Yes, self-awareness is the key to happiness in this world

posted May 08, 2015 06:39 AM            

Yes, it's a stronger Taurus influence with him. The only Taurus placement I have is the Moon. But its t-square with Venus/ AC and Pluto was enough to make me feel cursed in love and romance for a while. My Sun is in Capricorn

His best chance, the way I see it, is to first identify exactly what he wants in a situation-by-situation basis (i.e. it will not always be just affection or just to be left alone), and then communicate it clearly. Then whether you meet this need, is entirely your choice - his responsibility is to communicate it, not to expect you to meet it. He should take responsibility for how his relationship functions and what his responses are. Blaming others never helps... I've been there