posted May 09, 2015 03:22 PM            

I hear most people with Saturn return in 6th house goes through emotional times as their pets pass away but I don' have any pets and I don't think I will have any pets?

So I guess this leaves me with health issues and daily productivity management to be careful with... and perhaps asset management too??

posted May 10, 2015 11:58 PM            

Also look at your daily life. Are you engaging in activities that may be harmful? One of my friends with your placement was very promiscuous and ended up with an STD despite using condoms (saturn in scorpio). This was a wake up call for her that she needed to reevaluate her approach to sex.

posted May 11, 2015 10:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Astra:
Saturn return in the 6th house will most likely involve health issues. Capricorn rules bones, knees, joints and teeth. Take extra good care of your teeth. Work on developing an exercise routine if you don't have one already. Saturn is all about discipline. Are you eating healthy and exercising regularly? If you are not, then it's time to work on becoming more healthy.

Also look at your daily life. Are you engaging in activities that may be harmful? One of my friends with your placement was very promiscuous and ended up with an STD despite using condoms (saturn in scorpio). This was a wake up call for her that she needed to reevaluate her approach to sex.

With saturn being in capricorn, I would say you should avoid doing things that could harm your reputation. Don't speed or engage in disorderly conduct.

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I dated like 50 people like short term wise, but I only had sex with like 5 people, and with the one I am with now, I am very loyal to

so I guess smoking cigarette and teeth issues need fixing

posted May 11, 2015 02:05 PM            

I'd just start preparing now. Be very mindful of 6th House issues and work on becoming more mature and responsible in them. I think the more a person prepares for their Saturn Return, in advance, the easier it will be (though I'm not saying it'll be a complete breeze!). This is what Saturn wants us to do, after all. Put all our little ducks in a row. It's when people are super-lazy or immature about their Saturn sign/house that the Saturn Return feels like a nightmare.

So, yeah, work on maintaining a healthy diet and all of that. Tighten up your fitness routine. Also, pay attention to your job life. How are you acting on the job? Are you being as productive as you can? Are you humbly serving the job or are you expecting it to serve you?

I wouldn't get as fatalistic as believing your pets would die! That's doomsday astrology for you there. But, since you don't have any pets, adopting one could be another great way to prepare for your Saturn Return. You can never exactly predict what's going to happen during this time. That's why it's good to be prepared and to develop the maturity in that house's concerns to be able to deal with whatever.

I'm already working on my 12th House Saturn stuff (Pluto crossing my Saturn has really given me no choice). I'm going to start doing a lot of volunteer work, like working at animal shelters and such. I've just been seeing so many strays lately and my Saturn really wants me to do something about that!

posted May 12, 2015 06:53 AM            

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Originally posted by deptic:
well what about me? i have saturn in 11th house pisces. what does that mean for me?

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11th house concerns friendships and large groups. Pisces rules delusions, compassion, drugs and escapism. I would say that your Saturn Return will most likely involve finding out who your real friends are. You may have been friends with someone who has been deceiving you or secretly backstabbing you. Or perhaps you will go through a very difficult time and you will find yourself being supported and loved unconditionally by your friends if you chose them well. Be careful about being peer pressured into taking drugs or joining groups that are harmful (i.e. cults). Don't associate with people who will drag you down. It's time to clean house and make sure your friends are truly your friends. It's far better to have one true friend than to have 100 fake ones.

Venusincap

I just went through my Saturn Return, though I'll have another round of it this summer when saturn returns to scorpio one last time. Nothing bad happened. It was smooth sailing. The reason why I didn't go through a bunch of turmoil was because I planned ahead (cap rising and cap moon here, lol). The growing pains associated with Saturn Returns is what I went through during my early to mid-20s. I reevaluated my life and made a bunch of changes. It was very stressful and went to hell and back several times, but it was worth it in the end. It made my late 20s much easier.

posted May 12, 2015 07:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Astra:
Saturn return in the 6th house will most likely involve health issues. Capricorn rules bones, knees, joints and teeth. Take extra good care of your teeth. Work on developing an exercise routine if you don't have one already. Saturn is all about discipline. Are you eating healthy and exercising regularly? If you are not, then it's time to work on becoming more healthy.

Also look at your daily life. Are you engaging in activities that may be harmful? One of my friends with your placement was very promiscuous and ended up with an STD despite using condoms (saturn in scorpio). This was a wake up call for her that she needed to reevaluate her approach to sex.

With saturn being in capricorn, I would say you should avoid doing things that could harm your reputation. Don't speed or engage in disorderly conduct.

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Oh and the reputation... I always did and still struggle with that thing :s ...

I have retrograde Jupiter in Cancer 12th house, opposing the Capricorn Saturn
and apparently, all my talents are hidden

and indeed, people often think I am clueless, when I am really not.
The choices I make happen to be very different from most people, and only very few people understand what I am doing..

posted May 12, 2015 07:35 PM            

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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
You've got at least a couple more years so don't stress (although, as a fellow Capricorn Saturn, I know that our worrying can easily get out of control!)

I'd just start preparing now. Be very mindful of 6th House issues and work on becoming more mature and responsible in them. I think the more a person prepares for their Saturn Return, in advance, the easier it will be (though I'm not saying it'll be a complete breeze!). This is what Saturn wants us to do, after all. Put all our little ducks in a row. It's when people are super-lazy or immature about their Saturn sign/house that the Saturn Return feels like a nightmare.

So, yeah, work on maintaining a healthy diet and all of that. Tighten up your fitness routine. Also, pay attention to your job life. How are you acting on the job? Are you being as productive as you can? Are you humbly serving the job or are you expecting it to serve you?

I wouldn't get as fatalistic as believing your pets would die! That's doomsday astrology for you there. But, since you don't have any pets, adopting one could be another great way to prepare for your Saturn Return. You can never exactly predict what's going to happen during this time. That's why it's good to be prepared and to develop the maturity in that house's concerns to be able to deal with whatever.

I'm already working on my 12th House Saturn stuff (Pluto crossing my Saturn has really given me no choice). I'm going to start doing a lot of volunteer work, like working at animal shelters and such. I've just been seeing so many strays lately and my Saturn really wants me to do something about that!

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posted May 12, 2015 07:38 PM            

I was told that whatever jupiter touches, it expands. I am not too sure if that's the case with opposition against Saturn

posted May 13, 2015 12:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
Could anyone also please help me understand how my retrograde Jupiter in Cancer 12th house is going to affect my Capricorn Saturn in 6th house???

I was told that whatever jupiter touches, it expands. I am not too sure if that's the case with opposition against Saturn

Would this mean my Saturn duties are expanded?

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Well, it sounds like, from your previous post, that you've already identified what needs to be done. Find yourself some steady employment and work on that procrastination. That actually make sense with your Saturn in the 6th. We're not masters at our Saturn's house until we cultivate the maturity to be skillful in this area, as well as the ambition. See 6th House things as true goals to achieve.

I also have Jupiter opposite Saturn (clearly, we were both born in 1989 ). Since Saturn rules my chart, this is an aspect that's been particularly challenging. All of my other aspects to Saturn are soft. But, the opposition makes me swing from total melancholy to total optimism. I can get really down in the dumps but then find myself walking on sunshine. So, it's a wild kind of imbalance, especially since Jupiter and Saturn are so different.

I've been learning to master this by not seeing myself as so unlucky. I don't know if you can relate to this but I think Jupiter opposite Saturn can, on one end of the spectrum, make a person feel like the Universe is just not on their side. I've had a real "oh, great, here comes something terrible again" attitude throughout my life and I'm just now realizing how damaging that is. On the flip side, this aspect can also make you overestimate your luck. So, when terrible things happen, you don't slow down enough to take accountability for it and figure out what you can do to be better. You just shrug it off, focusing on the positive to a degree that's actually negative because it keeps you unrealistic.

The way to solve an opposition is to make it the best of both worlds. So, with Jupiter opposite Saturn, you must cultivate both enough faith and enough realism to get you through. One will always keep you balanced, preventing you from becoming either pessimistic (Saturn) or naïve (Jupiter).

During a planet's Return, whatever natal aspects are being made to it are multiplied. This is a time where the issues of this aspect really dominate our life and the ideal time to overcome these issues. And if you've mastered this aspect, you can reap the rewards. So, working on your Jupiter opposite Saturn now will only allow it to positively manifest during your Saturn Return. (And think of all the aspects to your Saturn in this way)

Hope that helps!

posted May 13, 2015 05:05 PM            

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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
Well, it sounds like, from your previous post, that you've already identified what needs to be done. Find yourself some steady employment and work on that procrastination. That actually make sense with your Saturn in the 6th. We're not masters at our Saturn's house until we cultivate the maturity to be skillful in this area, as well as the ambition. See 6th House things as true goals to achieve.

I also have Jupiter opposite Saturn (clearly, we were both born in 1989 ). Since Saturn rules my chart, this is an aspect that's been particularly challenging. All of my other aspects to Saturn are soft. But, the opposition makes me swing from total melancholy to total optimism. I can get really down in the dumps but then find myself walking on sunshine. So, it's a wild kind of imbalance, especially since Jupiter and Saturn are so different.

I've been learning to master this by not seeing myself as so unlucky. I don't know if you can relate to this but I think Jupiter opposite Saturn can, on one end of the spectrum, make a person feel like the Universe is just not on their side. I've had a real "oh, great, here comes something terrible again" attitude throughout my life and I'm just now realizing how damaging that is. On the flip side, this aspect can also make you overestimate your luck. So, when terrible things happen, you don't slow down enough to take accountability for it and figure out what you can do to be better. You just shrug it off, focusing on the positive to a degree that's actually negative because it keeps you unrealistic.

The way to solve an opposition is to make it the best of both worlds. So, with Jupiter opposite Saturn, you must cultivate both enough faith and enough realism to get you through. One will always keep you balanced, preventing you from becoming either pessimistic (Saturn) or naïve (Jupiter).

During a planet's Return, whatever natal aspects are being made to it are multiplied. This is a time where the issues of this aspect really dominate our life and the ideal time to overcome these issues. And if you've mastered this aspect, you can reap the rewards. So, working on your Jupiter opposite Saturn now will only allow it to positively manifest during your Saturn Return. (And think of all the aspects to your Saturn in this way)

Hope that helps!

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So you must also have neptune and Uranus in the same house as your saturn???

I was immature enough to assume that since jupiter is retrograde and exalted for me, it would somewhat be stronger than saturn and give me some easier time with saturn stuff, but I now realize it actually mostly serves as an obstacle against the saturn lessons.. sogh

And as you've said balance between optimism and pessimism is also a HUGE challenge. Just now you helped me realize just how badly I underestimated that.. thank you so much!!!

posted May 14, 2015 09:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
So you must also have neptune and Uranus in the same house as your saturn???

I was immature enough to assume that since jupiter is retrograde and exalted for me, it would somewhat be stronger than saturn and give me some easier time with saturn stuff, but I now realize it actually mostly serves as an obstacle against the saturn lessons.. sogh

And as you've said balance between optimism and pessimism is also a HUGE challenge. Just now you helped me realize just how badly I underestimated that.. thank you so much!!!

Which house is your saturn in though?

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You're welcome! I think having an exalted Jupiter actually can help with the Saturn issues. It's just that the opposition can sometimes make Saturn overwhelm our Jupiter. Saturn's opposition, at least in my experience, makes it a little harder to fully take advantage of the beneficial Jupiter. Maybe it's the opposite for you! People tend to favor one side of an opposition over the other, when they don't know how to work with it. So, once you find a balance, Jupiter in Cancer will work for you a lot better.

Just a thought: how was your Jupiter Return a while ago? Because I feel like I didn't start fully reaping the benefits of Cancer Jupiter and healing this imbalance until about a year and a half ago.

Saturn-Uranus-Neptune conjunct in my 12th. Jupiter in the 6th. So, we're opposites in that way, since Saturn's in your 6th and Jupiter's in your 12th!

posted May 14, 2015 03:30 PM            

I've also thought a bit about my saturn return, coming up in about 4 years right? So there is still good time.
Somehow, I think this 6th house saturn return has got to have something to do with my everyday life/job situation.
The 6th house rules health, but also "everyday life" matters, and capricorn is all about work. So I think this saturn return is probably gonna mean that something is going to change dramatically in my everyday life... for good or for worse. Maybe the jupiter opposition will help on this? Or maybe not.

I guess you must have a cancer ascendant as I do? Do you have jupiter conjunct your ascendant then?

Cause my ascendant in cancer makes the moon as my chart ruler, and that is in pisces in the 10th house. So actually I think my jupiter/saturn is almost equally strong, but since I got a stellium in capricorn 6th house, it might gonna be saturn who is the most dominant after all.

Anyways, I can really relate to this optimism vs. pessimism thing. In general I feel very lucky though, and especially after my jupiter return. It was a real bless to experience that, I had so many good times with that last year. Tragically I also lost a family member (my brother) just about half a year before the jupiter return, so it was a very strange time as well. It was like being lucky, but it came with a price and a lot of hard work (long story).

Someway I think this saturn return is going to be some of the same stuff.. a lot of hard work, something good and something bad... and then some kind of reward. It's probably gonna be even more meaningful and will last the rest of my life, because it's saturn after all. It's gonna be a life-changing time for sure. But it all comes with a price!

Sorry the last part of my reply got a little strange maybe, but it's a really interesting topic for sure!!

posted May 14, 2015 03:58 PM            

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Originally posted by next to neptune:
Wow I'm a 89' person with Cancer jupiter in 12th house opposite my saturn in Capricorn 6th house with like 0 degrees. I just have to suck everything in, in this thread!

I've also thought a bit about my saturn return, coming up in about 4 years right? So there is still good time.
Somehow, I think this 6th house saturn return has got to have something to do with my everyday life/job situation.
The 6th house rules health, but also "everyday life" matters, and capricorn is all about work. So I think this saturn return is probably gonna mean that something is going to change dramatically in my everyday life... for good or for worse. Maybe the jupiter opposition will help on this? Or maybe not.

I guess you must have a cancer ascendant as I do? Do you have jupiter conjunct your ascendant then?

Cause my ascendant in cancer makes the moon as my chart ruler, and that is in pisces in the 10th house. So actually I think my jupiter/saturn is almost equally strong, but since I got a stellium in capricorn 6th house, it might gonna be saturn who is the most dominant after all.

Anyways, I can really relate to this optimism vs. pessimism thing. In general I feel very lucky though, and especially after my jupiter return. It was a real bless to experience that, I had so many good times with that last year. Tragically I also lost a family member (my brother) just about half a year before the jupiter return, so it was a very strange time as well. It was like being lucky, but it came with a price and a lot of hard work (long story).

Someway I think this saturn return is going to be some of the same stuff.. a lot of hard work, something good and something bad... and then some kind of reward. It's probably gonna be even more meaningful and will last the rest of my life, because it's saturn after all. It's gonna be a life-changing time for sure. But it all comes with a price!

Sorry the last part of my reply got a little strange maybe, but it's a really interesting topic for sure!!

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Not strange at all!!

and I am sorry for loss of your brother...

I must tell you though..

If your ASC is in Cancer, then your jupiter in cancer is in fact interpreted as jupiter in 1st house.
This should mean you also have Saturn in 7th house rather than 6th house.

posted May 14, 2015 05:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Venusincap89:

If your ASC is in Cancer, then your jupiter in cancer is in fact interpreted as jupiter in 1st house.
This should mean you also have Saturn in 7th house rather than 6th house.

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I wouldn't interpret her Jupiter in that kneejerk of a way. Many people have planets in their 12th that are the same sign as their Ascendant. As I said, Saturn in Capricorn rules my chart, as I have Capricorn Rising. But, it's not even conjunct my Ascendant. It's too far away, so it's in the 12th. Such a thing happens all the time. Next to Neptune might not even have Jupiter conjunct her Rising.

Even if a 12th House planet is conjunct the Ascendant, it's still a 12th House planet. I don't like that whole "shift to the next house" mentality, especially since a person is going to feel that planet in the house it's already in. It feels too simple to me, too black-or-white.

A 12th House planet being conjunct the Ascendant or even in the same sign as the 1st House cusp just brings different nuances. It makes the person more aware and less in denial about that planet. It's a less hidden energy (even when the person tries to hide it). But, they're still dealing with the major issues of the 12th House: the compassion, creativity, healing, spirituality, etc.

posted May 14, 2015 07:09 PM            

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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
I wouldn't interpret her Jupiter in that kneejerk of a way. Many people have planets in their 12th that are the same sign as their Ascendant. As I said, Saturn in Capricorn rules my chart, as I have Capricorn Rising. But, it's not even conjunct my Ascendant. It's too far away, so it's in the 12th. Such a thing happens all the time. Next to Neptune might not even have Jupiter conjunct her Rising.

Even if a 12th House planet is conjunct the Ascendant, it's still a 12th House planet. I don't like that whole "shift to the next house" mentality, especially since a person is going to feel that planet in the house it's already in. It feels too simple to me, too black-or-white.

A 12th House planet being conjunct the Ascendant or even in the same sign as the 1st House cusp just brings different nuances. It makes the person more aware and less in denial about that planet. It's a less hidden energy (even when the person tries to hide it). But, they're still dealing with the major issues of the 12th House: the compassion, creativity, healing, spirituality, etc.

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Exactly... my jupiter is about 9 degrees away from my ascendant, so it's a very lose conjunction... and I am no where near as lucky to have a 1st house jupiter lol. My other brother got that, and he got a sag jupiter even... he's so lucky you wouldn't even believe it lol.

posted May 14, 2015 08:23 PM            

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Originally posted by next to neptune:
Exactly... my jupiter is about 9 degrees away from my ascendant, so it's a very lose conjunction... and I am no where near as lucky to have a 1st house jupiter lol. My other brother got that, and he got a sag jupiter even... he's so lucky you wouldn't even believe it lol.

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I don't think conjunctions are a 'must have' for certain planets or axis points to be considered in the same house.

posted May 14, 2015 08:32 PM            

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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
I wouldn't interpret her Jupiter in that kneejerk of a way. Many people have planets in their 12th that are the same sign as their Ascendant. As I said, Saturn in Capricorn rules my chart, as I have Capricorn Rising. But, it's not even conjunct my Ascendant. It's too far away, so it's in the 12th. Such a thing happens all the time. Next to Neptune might not even have Jupiter conjunct her Rising.

Even if a 12th House planet is conjunct the Ascendant, it's still a 12th House planet. I don't like that whole "shift to the next house" mentality, especially since a person is going to feel that planet in the house it's already in. It feels too simple to me, too black-or-white.

A 12th House planet being conjunct the Ascendant or even in the same sign as the 1st House cusp just brings different nuances. It makes the person more aware and less in denial about that planet. It's a less hidden energy (even when the person tries to hide it). But, they're still dealing with the major issues of the 12th House: the compassion, creativity, healing, spirituality, etc.

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I've been told that earlier degrees of a planet represents an energy that is younger, whereas later degrees represent planet energy that is old, almost ready to move onto the next house and master the next lesson.

I think planets that are far from each other can very well feel like they are not in the same house, when applying the young vs old planetary or axis energy. But I guess this comes down to whether one believes such theory or not.

And.. I think to say that you have Saturn in Capricorn in 12th house, while having your rising sign in Capricorn in 1st house, which represents the constellation that was rising at the time of your birth, is kind of like saying... Saturn lessons were already being taught to you even before your time of birth :S
But once again, this comes down to whether someone believes that the ASC represent the beginning of a soul's journey or not.

posted May 15, 2015 07:53 AM            

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And.. I think to say that you have Saturn in Capricorn in 12th house, while having your rising sign in Capricorn in 1st house, which represents the constellation that was rising at the time of your birth, is kind of like saying... Saturn lessons were already being taught to you even before your time of birth :S
But once again, this comes down to whether someone believes that the ASC represent the beginning of a soul's journey or not.

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That's actually exactly it. I don't know if you're doubting this or affirming it but I definitely think that's true. Some people do also say that our experience of our 12th House planets are prenatal, in the womb.

Having the chart ruler in the 12th is a very mystical thing like that. You feel like there's all these things you've already done or already experienced, even if you're not fully aware of that or able to put it into words. I think the Ascendant is pretty much the role we've learned to play. And with the planet ruling the Ascendant in the 12th, you feel like you've already played it before and a million other roles.

posted May 15, 2015 02:51 PM            

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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
That's actually exactly it. I don't know if you're doubting this or affirming it but I definitely think that's true. Some people do also say that our experience of our 12th House planets are prenatal, in the womb.

Having the chart ruler in the 12th is a very mystical thing like that. You feel like there's all these things you've already done or already experienced, even if you're not fully aware of that or able to put it into words. I think the Ascendant is pretty much the role we've learned to play. And with the planet ruling the Ascendant in the 12th, you feel like you've already played it before and a million other roles.

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I am with the Isaac Newton's school of thought, which suggests that Astrology is possible due to Planets' dark matter, and... yeah I have absolutely zero idea of how mystical things work :s

posted May 15, 2015 07:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
I am with the Isaac Newton's school of thought, which suggests that Astrology is possible due to Planets' dark matter, and... yeah I have absolutely zero idea of how mystical things work :s

But if you are absolutely 100% sure that your Saturn feels like more of a 12th house one rather than 1st house, I think I need to definitely study more.. this is absolutely a first

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I don't know why it's so astounding to you. As I said, it happens all the time and I'm sure many would see it the same way. House placements are defined by degrees of the sign, not just the sign. This is what separates them. If not, planets would be able to fall anywhere they wanted. My 1st House cusp is 18 degrees Capricorn. Anything Capricorn planet that's beyond 18 degrees is not in my 1st House. That's just the math of astrology.

Think of it this way. It's like if I stand outside my house, on the yard, and I say "I'm in my house because I'm near it. I can see it so I'm inside of it." You'd say, "Uh, no, that doesn't make any sense. You're still outside of your house." Yeah, I can see my house. I can maybe even look inside the windows. But, it's not the same thing as actually being in the house.

Same thing with planets. Just because a planet's in the vicinity of a house or in that house cusp's sign doesn't mean it's inside it. Once it passes the degree of the house cusp, it walks inside the house, locks the door, and gets comfortable. Otherwise, it's just on the outside looking in.

posted May 16, 2015 01:13 PM            

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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
I don't know why it's so astounding to you. As I said, it happens all the time and I'm sure many would see it the same way.

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Sorry I am just trying to learn more here but um but yeah like you said, I've seen many people with similar situation, but you are the first one ever in my experience to actually strongly believe that 12th house which also represents ending shares same sign as the 1st house which is the beginning :s
I've seen your logic being applied to other houses but 12th and 1st is first for me

Can you try going to the website Lada astrology and get the chart from there? Its the most accurate one. Astro.com does it too but I just can't remember the name of the chart method atm

Also, how do you relate more to 12th house Saturn than 1st house Saturn? Just curious

posted May 16, 2015 02:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
Sorry I am just trying to learn more here but um but yeah like you said, I've seen many people with similar situation, but you are the first one ever in my experience to actually strongly believe that 12th house which also represents ending shares same sign as the 1st house which is the beginning :s
I've seen your logic being applied to other houses but 12th and 1st is first for me

Can you try going to the website Lada astrology and get the chart from there? Its the most accurate one. Astro.com does it too but I just can't remember the name of the chart method atm

Also, how do you relate more to 12th house Saturn than 1st house Saturn? Just curious

In all honesty though, I wish you are right because I would have Saturn in 5th house that way instead, and exalted JupiterRx in 11th house...

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Hmmm, you are really starting to confuse me, to be honest. I think you're making this super-complicated.

My 12th House CUSP is not the same as my 1st House cusp. 12th House cusp is Sagittarius, about 26 degrees, followed by the Capricorn planets, then 1st House cusp starts at 18 degrees Capricorn. I'm not saying the 12th House is the same as the 1st House. I'm saying the planet that is in the sign that my Ascendant is in is located in my 12th which, again, is very common because of the degrees of the placements.

It's also usually us people who have duplicated cusps who don't have our planets fall into neat little rows. Gemini and Sagittarius are duplicated in my chart, which tends to cause that kind of shifting.

So, I don't exactly know what you're asking. And I don't see why this opinion of mine would shift your planets out of the house that they're already in. I don't know what sort of "house system" I follow and I don't think like that. It just confuses everything. All I look at are the degrees on the House's cusp, much more so than the sign. That tells me where the planet ends up.