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Janah
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posted May 19, 2015 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Janah     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's always a difference between feeling alone, and others just flat out showing you they feel you do not belong. In all honesty, I've never felt too comfortable in groups. Lonelier in them.

From observations over the years, I've attracted other "outsiders". The usual aspects/placements I see in the charts of those who feel like an outsider/different/slightly estranged are:

The Majority of the planets above the horizon.

1st, 7th, 8th, 10th, 11th and 12th house stelliums.

Ascendant, Sun or Moon in Capricorn, Aquarius, Scorpio, Aries, Virgo, Pisces.

There are more aspects, but I feel I've explained it alright for now.

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VirgoAquaSag
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posted May 19, 2015 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VirgoAquaSag     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yess...
I never truly feel like I'm part of any group.
Even when I'm having fun and stuff.. I will suddenly feel so lonely. I know what you mean.
I have always been like that my whole life!

I do have a few close friends that I am really comfortable with. But other than that, I don't feel like I fit into groups of people especially for people around my age.
Sometimes I feel like I don't even belong on this planet. haha.

I guess I am picky when it comes to friends though. Although I can easily talk to any strangers, when it comes to friends I am very close minded. Also I don't think I put in enough effort into making friends anymore. I just don't care so much. Even though sometimes I'm lonely, I don't want to settle for any fake friends or faking myself to make friends. Few genuine interactions with people I know is enough for me most of the time.

I am Virgo Sun, Aquarius Moon.

My planets are evenly distributed throughout the chart though.

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Einfühlung
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posted May 20, 2015 12:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Einfühlung     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, it's such a paradoxical feeling-- to be surrounded by so many people and feel out of place. It feels lonely not to have someone to confide to, and enjoy things with (especially things that are out of the norm), because as someone who observes all the time most people want to stay in the status quo. I try to relate to every person I meet, but I mostly feel like an outsider who is trying but for a a lost cause. I don't have natal Ascendant, Sun or Moon in Capricorn, Aquarius, Scorpio, Aries, Virgo, Pisces. I believe my 12 and 11 houses and aspects play a part in this, and my draconic virgo sun and moon and asc in scorpio. There are few(not including immediate family) who I get along with well whom I really appreciate that are in my life right now even though we hardly talk. When we do it's like we never were apart

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Geminiyoungster
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posted May 20, 2015 01:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geminiyoungster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Janah:
There's always a difference between feeling alone, and others just flat out showing you they feel you do not belong. In all honesty, I've never felt too comfortable in groups. Lonelier in them.

From observations over the years, I've attracted other "outsiders". The usual aspects/placements I see in the charts of those who feel like an outsider/different/slightly estranged are:

The Majority of the planets above the horizon.

1st, 7th, 8th, 10th, 11th and 12th house stelliums.

Ascendant, Sun or Moon in Capricorn, Aquarius, Scorpio, Aries, Virgo, Pisces.

There are more aspects, but I feel I've explained it alright for now.


Haha, I totally understand what you mean. I have an 11th house stellium, with chiron in the 11th house conjunct my moon. My moon is in Leo. I also have a fifth house saturn in pisces at 0 degrees. I've always felt left out of groups since growing up. I remember when I was younger I would just travel around the playground just doing nothing and just daydreaming. A lot of kids then and even people today think i'm uppity/snobby for some reason. It could be the Leo in the 11th house thing. I have this problem with jobs to were people can get super competitive or not like me for some reason. To be honest with you, I don't like really hanging around a lot of people because I noticed that some people can't be trusted, maybe that's my moon square pluto talking.Haha.

Therefore, I just started to do my own thing and just be myself. I'm slowly but surely learning this and accepting this. However, not to say it doesn't hurt because we are still human and need companionship. I've always said that I rather have few or no friends than to have fake superficial ones.

I think people have to understand is that when you have a lot of 12th or 11th house energy in your chart that can mean that you come off a martian to some ppl with your ideals or your energy.

And also, what are your numerology elements. For example, what's your life path number, expression or personality number? I have all 11 and nines in my chart, which is weird because that's what I have my chart with my house placements.

Numerology told me a lot about myself that it actually scared me, haha!

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CuriousPisces
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posted May 20, 2015 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CuriousPisces     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by VirgoAquaSag:
Yess...
I never truly feel like I'm part of any group.
Even when I'm having fun and stuff.. I will suddenly feel so lonely. I know what you mean.
I have always been like that my whole life!

I do have a few close friends that I am really comfortable with. But other than that, I don't feel like I fit into groups of people especially for people around my age.
Sometimes I feel like I don't even belong on this planet. haha.

I guess I am picky when it comes to friends though. Although I can easily talk to any strangers, when it comes to friends I am very close minded. Also I don't think I put in enough effort into making friends anymore. I just don't care so much. Even though sometimes I'm lonely, I don't want to settle for any fake friends or faking myself to make friends. Few genuine interactions with people I know is enough for me most of the time.

I am Virgo Sun, Aquarius Moon.

My planets are evenly distributed throughout the chart though.


What's your Venus in? Just curious..

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12muddy
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posted May 20, 2015 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12muddy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm a cap sun/asc, with a 12th house stellium.

In the first 15 years of my life, yeah I didn't belong. Not with my family, not with the society/environment. I just didn't gel well with the socially accepted way of thinking/living.

When I went aboard though, I didn't feel much like an "outsider". I met people who understood. By their standards, my way of thinking wasn't unusual or particularly weird.

Overall, I don't feel lonely or completely different. There are things about me which are very common and I think I share those with many people out there. But at the end of the day, I'm me - an individual, so I think it's normal to have certain facets that are perhaps different or "unique".

I sort of like being in groups. Idk, it's nice to merge and interact with people. I love huge crowds of people - I'm attracted to the bursting energy and vibes.

I like being alone too.

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VirgoAquaSag
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posted May 20, 2015 11:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VirgoAquaSag     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by CuriousPisces:
What's your Venus in? Just curious..

It is in Leo.

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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted May 21, 2015 01:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Janah:
There's always a difference between feeling alone, and others just flat out showing you they feel you do not belong. In all honesty, I've never felt too comfortable in groups. Lonelier in them.

From observations over the years, I've attracted other "outsiders". The usual aspects/placements I see in the charts of those who feel like an outsider/different/slightly estranged are:

The Majority of the planets above the horizon.

1st, 7th, 8th, 10th, 11th and 12th house stelliums.

Ascendant, Sun or Moon in Capricorn, Aquarius, Scorpio, Aries, Virgo, Pisces.

There are more aspects, but I feel I've explained it alright for now.



Definitely agree with the part about the majority of planets above the horizon can leave one feeling like an outsider. I only have two planets below the horizon and only one is considered personal and not generational. Everything else is between the cusp of the eighth and first houses.

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Soltze
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posted May 21, 2015 05:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Soltze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, I don't really bother anymore. I had a big urge to belong, while now I appreciate being alone in peace and quiet for long periods of time.
I have a Capricorn stellium Saturn/Neptune exact in the 11th and Uranus in the 10th.
Saturn/Neptune oppose my Venus in Cancer.
I'm very afraid of being hurt adding paranoid suspicion due to Moon/Pluto Scorpio in the 8th.
I just wish I could do something to improve myself...

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CuriousPisces
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posted May 21, 2015 09:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CuriousPisces     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by VirgoAquaSag:
It is in Leo.

I've a friend, kinda similar like yours.

She have Virgo Sun, Venus Leo, BUT Moon Sag and Asc in Aqua.

She kinda thinks the same way too.. Very picky and selective about her friends. Can be friendly with almost everyone, but not "friends" category. Maybe its a virgo thing??

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hannaramaa
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posted May 21, 2015 09:26 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
YEEP. I have an 11th house Aries stellium and a 7th house Capricorn stellium that generally square each other. I will watch from afar, please and thank you.

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FruityLlama
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posted May 21, 2015 06:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FruityLlama     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I completely understand. I can make friends easily but I often feel with deeper emotional stuff its often harder because of a different mentality.
I have an almost stellium in 11H, including my moon which can cause fluctuating friendships I think, hence feeling like an outsider.

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stillatlarge
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posted May 25, 2015 01:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stillatlarge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think Aqua moons always feel that way. I do.

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VirgoAquaSag
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posted May 25, 2015 02:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VirgoAquaSag     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by CuriousPisces:
I've a friend, kinda similar like yours.

She have Virgo Sun, Venus Leo, BUT Moon Sag and Asc in Aqua.

She kinda thinks the same way too.. Very picky and selective about her friends. Can be friendly with almost everyone, but not "friends" category. Maybe its a virgo thing??


I guess I am picky with friends because I usually cannot find people who share same interests that I have.
My interests are really not the norm, especially for women around my age. I am in the late twenties now and I enjoy playing video games and studying things like astrology and religion. I am also interested in current events and etc. Many of other friends who are girls don't usually share my interests and they are usually interested in much more girly things like makeup, relationships, clothes etc. I do enjoy those kind of conversations sometimes but it just gets tiring after a while and I feel so awkward trying to fit in. I definitely have harder time fitting in with the other girls.. But my boyfriend appreciates I play games with him. lol.
It's not just girls though... I sometimes think I may be born into a wrong planet TBH.

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astra7
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posted May 25, 2015 03:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for astra7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you are feeling not belonging to any group? Get used to it! Or else, would you like to join that group? No Thanks. lol

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NeptunianSag
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posted May 25, 2015 09:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NeptunianSag     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Virgo moon and an aqua Venus here, yes I feel abit awkward and out of place.

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Ami Anne
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posted May 25, 2015 09:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn in the 12th seems like he feels like an outsider. I have seen it with Saturn in the 11th, too, with groups, in particular.

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