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mztiny
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posted May 21, 2015 03:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mztiny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When casting a solar return with natal. (Natal on inside) which proves more accurate? The natal planets falling in solar houses or vice versa?

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ash20
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posted May 22, 2015 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ash20     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm still trying to learn this too. I have a book on solar returns and the author says you can read the solar return by itself like a natal chart. If you want I could post some of the interpretations she has for planets in the houses.

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posted May 22, 2015 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mztiny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Ash20, thanks for your reply. Maybe someone who is more advanced can tell us how to look at SR. Nonetheless your book sounds very interesting.

I have a T square in my SR I'm curious about.
(Sag Asc-3rd house moon Pices-6th house sun Virgo)

SR Jupiter conj Natal Asc
SR Jupiter & Venus in 8th.

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posted May 22, 2015 08:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ash20     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From Planets in Solar Returns by Mary Fortier Shea


Venus In The 8th House

Relationships will tend to be more intense and complicated during the year. Psychological forces will play a strong role in your feelings of attraction to, and repulsion from, others. You will have a tendency to be unconsciously drawn to certain individuals, perhaps for reasons you find difficult to understand. One relationship in particular may be especially compelling, and you can react impulsively rather than respond rationally to this person. A relationship of this intensity has transforming qualities. It enables you to see yourself, others, and relationships in a new way by making everyone's fears, insecurities, and complexes more obvious. Psychological complexes are impediments to greater intimacy. They must be recognized and dealt with effectively before love can mature. This is an excellent time for joint counseling since the focus for the year will be on understanding how psychological forces play a role in your relationships.

Negatively, your relationships, or one in particular, may be a power struggle over money or sex. Regardless of whether this is a love relationship, a business relationship, or a relationship built on animosity, control issues will be important. Either one or both of you may use fear, intimidation, jealousy or manipulation in an attempt to gain money, sex or power over the other. The use of psychological tactics within the relationship complicates and weakens the negotiation process, making discussion, and compromise difficult, if not impossible. Daily struggles, lacking any foreseeable resolution, can leave you weak, drained, and feeling more controlled than in control.

When Venus is in the 8th house, you may receive money from sources other than your own earning power. If you split funds and expenses with someone else, you can benefit through your partner's pay raise or financial windfall. Your available funds increase through another person's efforts. If you are dependent upon someone for financial support, you may request and/or receive an increased amount of money. Funds can also come to you through an inheritance, insurance claims settlement, legal action, or joint financial venture. In all of these cases, money is not work-related unless profit sharing, retirement funds, royalties or disability payments are involved.

Negatively, this placement can show a struggle over shared resources. Money intended for your use may not be given freely or may not be given at all. Business partners who cannot settle their monetary disputes may end up in court. Individuals involved in a personal relationship are less likely to go to court over money, but more likely to see money as a tool for control. In this situation, money comes with strings attached. If you are financially dependent on someone else for support or locked into your present standard of living, you are more apt to allow yourself to be controlled, trading your personal freedom for your financial status.

Sex may also be tied to money, power or control. Psychological complexes can color your sexual experience or moral judgments. On a more positive note, sexual fulfillment will be stressed as an important and necessary part of your intimate relationships. Sexual relations themselves can become more pleasurable and better integrated with affection and love during the coming year. This is more likely to be true if sexual problems have occurred in the past and you have actively worked to improve your situation.

** I'll do the other planets later tonight or tomorrow.

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posted May 22, 2015 09:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ash20     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jupiter In The 8th House

The 8th house is commonly associated with the earnings of others while the 2nd house is more indicative of your own earning power. Therefore, Jupiter in the 8th primarily focuses on the money made available to you after someone else has already earned it. During the year, your financial situation may improve specifically because you are now able to share resources with another person. If you have already been sharing resources up to this point, the dollar amount of the shared funds is likely to increase. This placement commonly shows money coming to you through others, possibly in the form of a lump sum. For those who are interested in making a large purchase such as a home, combining incomes and savings makes the goal a reality.

Besides shared resources, you may acquire money through other means. These other means include an inheritance, gift or monetary settlement from an insurance claim or legal case. Funds from profit sharing, royalties, and advances for books or inventions are also more commonly seen in the 8th house, even though one would think they would be more consistent with 2nd house earnings. Because of the extra money coming in, this may be a good time to place some funds in an investment account or hire a broker to manage your money. In this way your money works for you, creating extra funds through means other than salary.

Most likely, if you share incomes with another, you must also share his or her debts, and unfortunately, this person can be a big spender. The negative interpretation for financial concerns associated with this placement is that you are just as likely to experience increased expenses and debts caused by the other person as you are to have more money available. The pendulum can swing either way. The probability of struggling over expenses and debts increases if there are oppositions running between the 2nd house placements and Jupiter in the 8th.

Ethical questions relevant to sexual morality are important and must be addressed. Situations you face this year are meant to force you to further define your own moral code. Therefore sexual opportunities you encounter, regardless of whether or not you take advantage of the experience, must be understood within the context of your own religious or philosophical ideals. Issues concerning sexual freedom, preference, and practices are most noteworthy. Regardless of your age, the cycle is such that either you must look at these concepts for the first time or you must review what now can be considered preconceived notions. For example, a young teenager was faced with the possibility of her first sexual encounter, while a much older woman who had always defined her relationships as "open" now began to desire a monogamous relationship with her lover. Each of these people dealt with the philosophical aspect of the dilemma as well as the actual feelings, thoughts, and events.

For those who have the training or innate ability to make the leap to psychological understanding, the sexual and/or monetary situations and issues encountered during the year become a springboard to greater knowledge of the inner motivations and unconscious complexes of others. The intensity of relationships in these two areas of concern fosters great insight when one is able to read the subtleties of the mind.

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posted May 23, 2015 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ash20     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moon In The 3rd House

The moon in the 3rd house is a sign that emotional influences compete or unite with rational thoughts for decision-making power. The interplay between these two levels of thought, the conscious and the unconscious levels, is key to the pattern of growth. If you depend too much on the conscious level, you might be trying to suppress or analyze your feelings before they are even apparent. This will not work. Feelings just are, and must be appreciated as they exist before symbols emerge and they can be understood. On the other hand, you may feel more ruled by unconscious urges than clear-headed rationalism. Within this scenario, feelings overwhelm common sense and burst into the open when you least expect it. Freudian slips are possible despite your conscious efforts for restraint, and you inadvertently say things that were better left unsaid. Although these comments honestly reflect your true feelings, they go too far and reveal more than is in your best interest or the best interest of others.

The key to working with this placement is understanding the need for conscious and unconscious appreciation, integration, and consensus. This is not the time to depend totally on either conscious thoughts or feelings. It is the integration of the two levels of understanding which is most informative. Emotions will be the basis of learning, but once feelings have reached the surface, it is most insightful to understand them within the context of the total experience, both rational and emotional. For example, if you attend group therapy sessions during the year, you will focus on the psychological meaning of what is being said rather than the actual physical details. However, once the emotions have risen to the surface repeatedly, patterns of response will be intellectually understood.

The combination of an emotional planet in a rational house can also indicate that you get mixed messages. You may not be exactly sure when you are thinking and when you are responding from the gut level. You may even be of two minds, especially regarding a relationship. Your heart tells you one thing while your mind tells you another. Competition, rather than integration, is possible in those who do not work towards comprehension. Positively, this is a strong combination for those who yearn to integrate feelings and thoughts, and experience life as multidimensional yet whole. If you are a writer, artist, psychologist, counselor or holistic practitioner, the placement of the Moon in the 3rd house can indicate that you experience the conscious and unconscious mind as a unit working together. The artist can use creative projects to explore and understand emotional themes. If you are a counselor or involved in therapy yourself, you can use the conscious mind to decipher and interpret unconscious messages. Used wisely, mixed messages can lead to great insight.

You can become a more public personality, especially in your own neighborhood or area of expertise. For example, one individual with the Moon in the 3rd house of the solar return had been working for a large organization. He then started his own business and began pushing his own products. He was lifted from the obscurity of the company to a more public position. What you do and say will become more noticeable this year. Your demeanor and presentation are important. You can make a lasting impression on those who see or hear you in a public capacity. You may even be a role model for others. Therefore it is important that you maintain a good public image and reputation.

Neighborhood selection is important to those who are thinking of purchasing a home. If you are already settled, this is a good time to become more involved with your neighbors and community associations.

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posted May 23, 2015 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mztiny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wow ash20, you are a god send. Thank you thank you for all this information...so much to process. Thanks for also giving the name of the book. I think I will purchase it in the future.

Nonetheless again thank you luv!!!!!!!!
Hugs!!!!

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posted May 23, 2015 01:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ash20     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cadent 6th House

The solar return Sun in the 6th house is concerned with using all information in an organized and practical way. The greater the organizational abilities now, the more free time one is likely to have in the future. Efficiency is the goal and it becomes a cumulative process, streamlining your daily operation. Facts by themselves are not as important as their application. It is the ability to improve one's life and daily activity, especially at work, that makes information valuable to the individual. Facts, intuitive perceptions, and beliefs have to be useful. Applications have to be beneficial and productive. This is a good time to try new methods or reorganize your office operations. Pieces of knowledge that enhance one's life situation spur a renewed, or continuing, search for further information and future benefits through increasing intelligence.

When the Sun is in the 6th house, there is an emphasis on health as well as work. These are two important areas for feedback on practical applications. Health information is gathered through intellectual sources and also from the body through wellness, sickness, and biological awareness. The mind-body connection is strengthened, and though subtle, provides valuable information regarding diet, exercise, rest, and daily habits. Insights gained from physical sensitivity to the body's needs and its balance are integrated with factual data, learned responses, beliefs, and intuition to formulate a good, supportive health regimen.

The 6th house can also provide support for 3rd house problem-solving tasks. The 6th house emphasis on practical application and testing information lays the groundwork for further investigation in the 3rd, the search for new and better ideas on how to do things. It is in the 6th that we begin to master the task of corrective action by ascertaining what works and what doesn't. We begin to realize the importance of effort. We develop the ability to discriminate and make good choices. These valuable skills are then utilized to foster improved problem-solving techniques through the ability to gather pertinent information and new options. So it is that the cycle of information continues.

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posted May 23, 2015 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ash20     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are more than welcome. 😊

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