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Topic: Like Bruce Jenner...how many ppl w/sq. Sun/Moon feel like 2 different ppl at times?
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Gabby Moderator Posts: 6470 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted May 23, 2015 11:58 AM
Bruce Jenners scorp Sun is exact(by seconds) square his aqua Moon...in the fixed signs he can't adjust his thinking or the fact that one part of him, his Scorp feels female and his Moon in aqua feels masculine. The aqua Moon, IMO, allows him to take this far, not care what others view as correct, right or wrong to others doesn't matter....he's willing to go out on his own and be himself even if it's out of the norm.I also wonder if the fact that his masculine sun, in the female sign and female moon in the masculine sign adds to the confusion or possibly the intensity he feels. I have a saggy Sun, virgo Moon but they do not aspect ...I've had times I've felt like there was 2 ppl in me, one was definitely more aggressive(masculine) the other more passive(female)....my moon is unaspected making this feeling even more intense. The man im seeing also has saggy Sun/pisces Moon square by 3 degrees. We were talking about how he also has this feeling at times, like he argues with himself in his head. He said it does feel like there is 2 ppl in his head at times also. Does anyone else with this square feel anything like this? What would this mean for the midpoint, is this the point of integration? If you have a planet on the midpoint is this where you turn to find a feeling of completeness? The square will always have a masculine sign square a femine sign, potentially creating the feeling of being caught between these 2 energies in one body. IP: Logged |
Dreaminess Knowflake Posts: 414 From: norway Registered: Aug 2014
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posted May 23, 2015 12:18 PM
Everything you wrote i feel. Always felt like their was several different energies inside of me. But like your guy i also have a water moon, its in cancer and it also opposites neptune and i know neptune can give traits such as empathy and taking in too much energies that aren`t theirs etc, so i am confused if it comes from my sun moon square or moon neptune opposition that i feel this.IP: Logged |
erickaf Knowflake Posts: 518 From: Europe Registered: Oct 2014
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posted May 23, 2015 12:27 PM
I have Sun Scorpio with Aquarius Moon...the square is stressful. For me I have so much emotion and I always cautious of what to say, I hide many things. A lot of my friends/family say I am hard to get to know.IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 6470 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted May 23, 2015 12:27 PM
quote: Originally posted by Dreaminess: Everything you wrote i feel. Always felt like their was several different energies inside of me. But like your guy i also have a water moon, its in cancer and it also opposites neptune and i know neptune can give traits such as empathy and taking in too much energies that aren`t theirs etc, so i am confused if it comes from my sun moon square or moon neptune opposition that i feel this.
My Moon is unaspected, the closest aspect is a square to my Neptune...he doesn't have a Neptune aspect to his Moon at all and he feels it, so I think it's the square. I mean when you think about it, the square would show your Sun/Moon just do not relate to each other and cause friction between them and a square will always have a masculine sign and a femine sign. The reason I asked this question is to see if it is the square between these that creates this conflict because it makes sense to me that it would but I wanted to know how others felt that deal with it also. IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 6470 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted May 23, 2015 12:33 PM
quote: Originally posted by erickaf: I have Sun Scorpio with Aquarius Moon...the square is stressful. For me I have so much emotion and I always cautious of what to say, I hide many things. A lot of my friends/family say I am hard to get to know.
Do you feel you have 2 conflicting energies, like 2 ppl inside you at times? I believe the more exact the aspect the more inescapable it will be, while even just a little space, like 1 degree apart you will be able to see it without completely ALWAYS feeling it to the point you must act on it, like Bruce Jenner has...my opinion is he feels it so intensely and constantly because his aspect is SO exact he can't ever escape it. I wonder how many transgender ppl have an exact square Sun/Moon? Others with some space between the aspect might only feel this at times, not always...at least not to the point they believe they are 2 ppl in one body. IP: Logged |
Sagical Knowflake Posts: 218 From: Glenbow, Canada Registered: Mar 2014
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posted May 23, 2015 12:41 PM
Aries Sun square Cancer Moon......maybe the two people thing for me is coming out as genderqueer/gender non conforming.IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 6470 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted May 23, 2015 12:45 PM
quote: Originally posted by Sagical: Aries Sun square Cancer Moon......maybe the two people thing for me is coming out as genderqueer/gender non conforming.
Seriously? You have? That's amazing! So proud of you! How close is your square? IP: Logged |
erickaf Knowflake Posts: 518 From: Europe Registered: Oct 2014
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posted May 23, 2015 12:49 PM
quote: Originally posted by Gabby: Do you feel you have 2 conflicting energies, like 2 ppl inside you at times? I believe the more exact the aspect the more inescapable it will be, while even just a little space, like 1 degree apart you will be able to see it without completely ALWAYS feeling it to the point you must act on it, like Bruce Jenner has...my opinion is he feels it so intensely and constantly because his aspect is SO exact he can't ever escape it. I wonder how many transgender ppl have an exact square Sun/Moon? Others with some space between the aspect might only feel this at times, not always...at least not to the point they believe they are 2 ppl in one body.
Mine is four degrees apart, not that tight. And yes I feel like two different people. But I never tell anyone this. And I notice how being with me romantically isn't a walk in the park...:-(. I am a mess LOL. My Aquarian side always tells me to be more 'true'...whoever that is.IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 6470 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted May 23, 2015 12:57 PM
quote: Originally posted by erickaf: Mine is four degrees apart, not that tight. And yes I feel like two different people. But I never tell anyone this. And I notice how being with me romantically isn't a walk in the park...:-(. I am a mess LOL. My Aquarian side always tells me to be more 'true'...whoever that is.
I hope maybe we can find a way to give ppl a place to open up about this and feel safe expressing themselves without fear of judgement or prejudice. I think this aspect would very naturally cause this disconnect and there's no reason to feel it has to be kept in secret or locked inside.
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Sagical Knowflake Posts: 218 From: Glenbow, Canada Registered: Mar 2014
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posted May 23, 2015 01:36 PM
quote: Originally posted by Gabby: Seriously? You have? That's amazing! So proud of you! How close is your square?
Wide orb. Though I can still feel it. A cancer moon feels deeply feminine and the Aries toughness comes out. Like that song from Annie get your gun "Anything you can do, I can do better!".......mind you, it's not the doing better part. I refuse to buy into stereo types of gender. We are who we are, regardless of what we are physically! I heard somewhere that spirit has no gender or is genderless, just two opposites balanced. IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 6470 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted May 23, 2015 03:01 PM
quote: Originally posted by Sagical: Wide orb. Though I can still feel it. A cancer moon feels deeply feminine and the Aries toughness comes out. Like that song from Annie get your gun "Anything you can do, I can do better!".......mind you, it's not the doing better part. I refuse to buy into stereo types of gender. We are who we are, regardless of what we are physically! I heard somewhere that spirit has no gender or is genderless, just two opposites balanced.
I completely agree, the soul is not male or female it's only in human form we are made to chose a gender and live with the limitations and gifts of that gender to live and experience life in that way. I believe as humanity gets closer to growing beyond the need for this "human experience" we will become less attached to our gender roles and start feeling an ability to be more gender neutral. Of course humanity as a whole is far from this at this point....but maybe not as far as we think because we are seeing it starting.
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Seimei Knowflake Posts: 183 From: LafaLott,La.U.S.A. Registered: Apr 2015
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posted May 23, 2015 08:18 PM
Male and female created he them from the Hebrew meant that we are each both. Nothing to do with physical parts incarnate but the soul. Before he was born he chose his gender and now he can't wait for the next incarnation to have a do-over. I wish him and all who have such course good luck. I do believe it is an error to astrologize this , but also to them I wish good luck!------------------ Seimei, Jupiter Nadir IP: Logged |
PixieJane Moderator Posts: 6419 From: CA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted May 23, 2015 08:34 PM
Isn't it normal for people to argue with themselves as well as to have various types of inner conflict and indecision about what they want to do and/or how to go about it?IP: Logged |
PixieJane Moderator Posts: 6419 From: CA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted May 23, 2015 08:37 PM
And as a repeat I've said more than once that my sextile Libra (scorpio cusp) & Sag stelliums sometimes fight each other within me. My Sag thinks it's fun explain how on my bad days this is how my Libra/Scorpio stellium tends to treat them: And my Sag stellium responds to my Libra/Scorpio energies: Luckily, I think I've found a way to balance the energies to prevent that vicious circle of inner conflict so most days are good and I say my aspects (how I am inside) now get along like this (most of the time): IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 6470 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted May 23, 2015 09:39 PM
I agree everyone has this to some extent but the square between Sun/Moon is going to be a more intense version of this.IP: Logged |
Sagical Knowflake Posts: 218 From: Glenbow, Canada Registered: Mar 2014
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posted May 24, 2015 09:10 PM
quote: Originally posted by Gabby: I completely agree, the soul is not male or female it's only in human form we are made to chose a gender and live with the limitations and gifts of that gender to live and experience life in that way. I believe as humanity gets closer to growing beyond the need for this "human experience" we will become less attached to our gender roles and start feeling an ability to be more gender neutral. Of course humanity as a whole is far from this at this point....but maybe not as far as we think because we are seeing it starting.
Amen! Nicely said! IP: Logged |
Arachne18 Knowflake Posts: 69 From: Registered: Jan 2015
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posted May 24, 2015 11:37 PM
I have sun/Moon square within a few minutes in the dual signs of Pisces and Gemini. YES I do feel conflicting energies and sometimes feel like two different people. I don't follow the Kardashians but I found it interesting to read that Bruce has said he is not homosexual, he is still only attracted to women. Physically I look 100% woman, long hair, dress femininely and of course sport the token attributes of a female, however, I think my mind often thinks like a male. I am attracted to males and females equally. I have most planets in masculine signs including ascendant and like Bruce, my sun is in a female sign and moon in a male sign. I have now learnt to deal with this 'conflict' in my life but in the past I was unfaithful to a number of boyfriends by way of indiscretions with females. My sun/Moon square forms a T square with moon/neptune opposition, so looking back, it was easy for me to brush things under the carpet and not deal with them. Since being married I have still had lots of woman approach me (it's almost like I give out a vibe unintentionally), but have learnt to deal with this by putting my husband first (venus in aqua certainly hasn't helped much along the way). I also think the sun/Moon square affects my work vs home life; trying to find a balance, I experience periods where I feel totally at one with myself and then alternate with feeling out of sorts if I've been working too many hours for example. But I guess many people experience that regardless of sun/Moon aspect. Please don't quote as I may edit later, bit tmi for a Monday IP: Logged |
Arachne18 Knowflake Posts: 69 From: Registered: Jan 2015
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posted May 25, 2015 12:12 AM
quote: Originally posted by Gabby:What would this mean for the midpoint, is this the point of integration? If you have a planet on the midpoint is this where you turn to find a feeling of completeness? .[/B]
These are interesting questions. My sun/Moon midpoint in early degree of taurus directly opposite uranus. Will look into this further.
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