posted May 24, 2015 03:00 PM            

I have experienced this from my

cap sun moon cousin with her saturn conj her venus to.

cap mars mother with saturn square her mars.

cap merc venus mars brother with his venus and mercury conj saturn to.

Two old friends, one with saturn opposition asc and the other with saturn square her asc with also her sun in the 10th house.

The last one with her sun in the 10th actually admitted she did stuff like that bc of jealousy.

posted May 24, 2015 03:24 PM            

Not all cap/saturnian people do this. I have many cap friends.

posted May 24, 2015 03:24 PM            

I was just talking to my mom who had called my dad

to see if she could take him to lunch as a Thank

You, for doing her taxes, this year.

She said (with much exasperation):

'Is there anything that is NOT wrong with him?'

Cap Sun and I believe Cap moon.. right on the cusp.

Mercury planted firmly in Sag, though.

Likes to talk.

I love him dearly, but left to his own devices, he

will go on the downward spiral and see the worst

in everything- I don't know why, but the pessimism

is unbelievable.

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Nothing is permanent in this wicked world; not even our troubles.

posted May 24, 2015 03:31 PM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
It's insecurity.

Not all cap/saturnian people do this. I have many cap friends.

I think the ones who are insecure, unhappy with their accomplishment will try to bring you down and try to associate with people "less accomplished" to feel better about themselves.

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I'll buy this, but really.. have you ever met a

Cap who was not intelligent, or who didn't have

their s**t together?

I haven't. lol

The ones I know with air or fire moons/Merc have an

amazing charisma about them, as well.

But their expectations seem to be so high that failure

could be imminent at any moment.

Obviously, this doesn't apply to all Caps, but when

it does... :/

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Nothing is permanent in this wicked world; not even our troubles.

posted May 24, 2015 03:52 PM            

ex. friend all in love with a married man and ******* him - i remind her that he has a wife, he is not unattached, and statistically they don't leave their wives so be careful. but i still support her whatever her decision is.

or

friend about to jump into something without doing the background work/check and because of that is setting herself up for failure or to be shut down so i tell her - go get your licensing done, call the inspectors, talk to lawyers about that legal stuff etc.

posted May 24, 2015 04:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Eirlys:
I'll buy this, but really.. have you ever met a

Cap who was not intelligent, or who didn't have

their s**t together?

I haven't. lol

The ones I know with air or fire moons/Merc have an

amazing charisma about them, as well.

But their expectations seem to be so high that failure

could be imminent at any moment.

Obviously, this doesn't apply to all Caps, but when

it does... :/

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I have met plenty of caps who do not have their act together.

In fact even if they relatively do not stray to do drugs or have teen pregnancy, the younger caps have problems with feeling like no one will remember them or they are not among the "top."

And no, not all of them are intelligent. They are just as intelligent as any other sign and many of them are seriously boring. If they go through life and not getting what they want, they become cold and mean and fake. There is a deep need to feel validated which is somewhat similar to cancerian energy. Many of them can have woe-is-me mentality. Even the luckiest cap who has good background still moans that the worst things happen to them (not true!).

I am cap heavy, raised by a cap moon and surrounded by cap friends all my life. I am aware that I am boring at time. And I am saying all of this with my deep appreciation for cap energy.

posted May 24, 2015 05:19 PM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
It's insecurity.

Not all cap/saturnian people do this. I have many cap friends.

I think the ones who are insecure, unhappy with their accomplishment will try to bring you down and try to associate with people "less accomplished" to feel better about themselves.

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So true. The one with the square to her asc and with a 10th house sun is not happy with several areas in her life and gets jealous if anything good is going on in the life of someone she knows and will immediately try to bring that person down. The one with the opposition to her asc is just a jealous person, poor woman, you dont have to do much to trigger that side of her and she to when she gets jealous will try to bring you down, but i blame some of that jealousy on the childish side of her aries moon that is also opposite her mars and her moon also lies in her 8th house. She sees everything as a competition and wants anything good to her.
While my cap sun and moon cousin is more of that "reality check" person. And my mom can turn something that we are doing/talking about into something serious. Like i can joke and we can have fun and suddenly she will turn everything into a life lesson or a pep talk about something serious etc.
My brother is a mix of my cousin and my mom`s traits.

posted May 24, 2015 06:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Dreaminess:
Not saying all of them are but damn this trait is definitivly one of saturn`s/cappys bad traits. I find saturn annoying in synastry alone but to deal with people that actually have it in their natals makes saturn in synastry seem mild haha. Why do they feel the need, almost like an urge to bring someone down when they see that person is getting/is "up" ? they really can be a party pooper or "rain" on someone`s parade. Why do they do this, constantly trying to restrict someone`s (in my experience) happiness/joy? Does it come from an insecurity or something? Its draining, damn.

I have experienced this from my

cap sun moon cousin with her saturn conj her venus to.

cap mars mother with saturn square her mars.

cap merc venus mars brother with his venus and mercury conj saturn to.

Two old friends, one with saturn opposition asc and the other with saturn square her asc with also her sun in the 10th house.

The last one with her sun in the 10th actually admitted she did stuff like that bc of jealousy.

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Capricorns born before Uranus and Neptune entered the sign together are a whole other goat to those born after.
The inner planets transits to Saturn in general diversify both groups.
Back to reality is down and without those people/that energy the many of the rest of us would be lost/screwed.
Sometimes we all might want to go somewhere and loose control , and we make the mistake of taking a grounder with us,,, sometimes we take one with us so we don't get too lost.
What can sometimes be a necessity can also be a bummer.
Just for the record, I have Jupiter and Saturn in Cap at IC , Saturn tightly squaring
Asc,sesquisquare Pluto,, and have a 4xCapricorn parent.
In bad synastry , yeah that is a bummer, been there and I was the grounder.

posted May 25, 2015 08:46 AM            

My Sun is Square Saturn.
My Moon is trine Saturn.
My Venus is trine Saturn.
My ASC is square Saturn.
My mars is square Saturn.
My Pluto is Square Saturn.

I tend to do this a lot to guys I used to date whi have done me wrong in some way or at least it felt that way.

posted May 25, 2015 08:54 AM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
I have met plenty of caps who do not have their act together.

In fact even if they relatively do not stray to do drugs or have teen pregnancy, the younger caps have problems with feeling like no one will remember them or they are not among the "top."

And no, not all of them are intelligent. They are just as intelligent as any other sign and many of them are seriously boring. If they go through life and not getting what they want, they become cold and mean and fake. There is a deep need to feel validated which is somewhat similar to cancerian energy. Many of them can have woe-is-me mentality. Even the luckiest cap who has good background still moans that the worst things happen to them (not true!).

I am cap heavy, raised by a cap moon and surrounded by cap friends all my life. I am aware that I am boring at time. And I am saying all of this with my deep appreciation for cap energy.

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That deep appreciation is laced with some bitterness and self loathing.

posted May 25, 2015 09:01 AM            

I am speaking from the POV of what you described, rather than attributing it to a placement.

Those who have experienced loss, will always fear gain, in case they lose it again. And can internalise the propensity to lose as a defect in their personality.

posted May 25, 2015 10:53 AM            

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Originally posted by cchampliss2:
That deep appreciation is laced with some bitterness and self loathing.

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Lol. You love someone enough and see all their sides and still stick around then of course, to provide a clear description, I should include the ugly and weird.

I have a cap stellium and I'm heavy saturnian. I attract cap people like no tomorrow and some of them didn't deserve me. On LL I have professed my love for Cappy people enough that I don't feel the need to reiterate my points. Cap moon is actually my ultimate fav.
OP asks why saturnian people do this and I just share my case. The part about saturn is honesty too. I have said again and again that a secure cap is someone who deserves all the love and respect in the world.

I'm not sure what you mean about self loathing. Every placement has higher and lower energy. I don't think we can ever completely move away from the lower energy as we all have bad days and bad transit. I rather be honest to myself that sometimes I beat myself up for the wrong reason. I think that's self-love. Accepting myself as an imperfect human being with her own tendencies.

In other thread I would describe any other energy in the same manner. If you go to the really bad side of someone.... And we all know once a cap gets depressed, it gets really low.

I hope those who read this thread do not see my description as a note of someone personally hurt. I have never been hurt by a cap. Disappointed, frustrated, yes! I've seenthe younger ones running over people. But most of them grow out of it and become dignified later in life.

I know a cap man in his 50s who dragged his taurus wife around to pursue his ambition but dorsnt want to be seen with her in public because she doesn't have a career. (Wonder why?). That's the kind of behaviors that bother me... One older cap man I know never got married. He wish that he will win lottery one day and be rich and that's when he gets his "act" together to get married like a real man.

I can go on and on...

Lorrie Moore, a capricorn author wrote "anagram" and it's one of the most poignant, sarcastic, funny book that I've read. And it's so sad that I saw what she wrote in a few cap around me.

posted May 25, 2015 08:14 PM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
Because I can. I'll be perfectly honest and say that I can be cruel, if someone has slighted me, and I will know EXACTLY what will bring you way down. It's not a habit however but I will apply this talent of mine if needed.

I have a Cap Moon.

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LMAO. I respect your game.

I would say it can, but usually Cap/Saturn heavy energy is more about being honest and do things to help you out of care. It definitely could lead to being judgmental, but again that is more dependent on what is going in the chart.

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Originally posted by Soltze:
Not really. I have Saturn in Capricorn and I don't bring anyone down. It's behaviour I don't tolerate on others in either. And if someone does it to me they enter the black list. Saturn in Capricorn will warn you because they care, not out of spite. You should really look for some other planets to explain for that.

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posted May 25, 2015 08:19 PM            

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Originally posted by 12muddy:
I'm a cap and I don't do this. Not just because it's a waste of time but I guess it's just not in my make-up to bother with such behaviour.

I think you may want to just ignore them. Dont need to know why they do those things. People have their reasons, but their "reasons" might be too eff up to understand anyway. It's their problem. The more they try to bring you down, the deeper they sink.

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posted May 25, 2015 09:47 PM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
On another note, a secure capricorn is your best friend, most reliable partner whose integrity and sanity are above all other signs

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posted May 25, 2015 10:16 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I don't know about above all other signs, but a few Capricorns I know can be extremely generous. The negativity does come from insecurity and fear, but that also goes for me. I have Saturn squaring several planets. I used to be a lot better, but fear can smother a lot.

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