posted May 25, 2015 07:51 AM            

Thus, someone with 3+ planets in the 11th House and none in 6,8 or 12th House will tend to be richer than their peers.

Now if there are certain aspects that provide chances for gaining big, and then that person applies Hermetic Laws, then such people become billionaires.

More often than not, such people have done terrific penances in past lifetimes to get the right inspiration.

Bill Gates, Larry Ellison, Buffet, the Gulf Sheikhs are all in this category with those like Gates applying inspiration and the Sheikhs doing so much penance that they are just born as billionaires.

Even those with the worst chart can do better than average by knowing their astrological weaknesses and then applying Prosperity Laws [Happily give away cash when u have extra] in accordance with Hermetic Laws [Positive Thinking, Wealth Consciousness] and elimination of bad karma through penances and empathy filled prayers for the wealth of others.

Astrology will also show us the most probable area of success once we choose to apply Universal Laws in a diligent manner.

The Will is important. We have to be aware of every action with the aim of getting rich for the highest good of all concerned.

The anomalies to these rules are Non-Human Souls [captured by Archons], their intention is to mislead Humanity by trying to show that only evil people are rich or that rich people are all wicked.

They will arrange through mass media images of Darfur or IS or Haiti etc when a Human Soul tries to apply Hermetic Laws, to discourage the process. Their food is negative emotions, and poverty in the masses suits them fine.

Some Humans may have unintentionally made deals with these devils [Using Occult Symbols or Sigils to get wealthy, praying to a Genie etc]. I feel, am not sure, that this is why some billionaires are giving away tons of wealth, to extricate their Souls from the grip of demonic entities in the next incarnation.

True wealth goes way beyond cash flow. For a majority of humanity, living long and healthy enough as well as seeing their children healthily and happily living a tension free life with all round experiences is more preferable than just piling up a billion dollars. Such realization can also be linked Astrologically to the 9th House.

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posted May 25, 2015 10:00 AM            

He is suggesting (in fact already been done) those at the top will control whether you can have children, what you think, how you live. Your freedom taken! That's authoritarian to me....not an inspirational person.

posted May 25, 2015 11:33 AM            

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Originally posted by astra7:
Go to astro.com and check where your Jupiter line is. Then move to that country.
For me, Karma isn't working as it should be!!
So sod that. Religion was set up to make people obey. Yeah, they say good things too but lies mixed in.

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posted May 25, 2015 11:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Queen Salome:
Do you think only some people can get rich (good karma) or it is possible for most people, if they follow a certain path? Is there a way to tell someone, based on natal chart, how he/she could get rich?

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I once read,(very old astro book) the richest people were born Sun house 2 in Gemini.
Something about getting up and going while most are still asleep early bird gets the worm.
Some wait for their ship to come in, others swim out and drag it back to port.
mmmm

posted May 25, 2015 12:03 PM            

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Originally posted by LovelyKitty:
How to check the line?
Which chart do you mean?

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posted May 27, 2015 09:35 AM            

As per Karma, the negatives of any vaccination sponsored by him will partially be on him but when he is giving billions away, his net karmic bank balance is always going to be positive. Those who knowingly create negative gene sequences in the vaccines will gather the maximum bad karma.

Also, if those receiving the vaccinations "Signed Up" on a Soul Level to accept the vaccinations [Confidence that they can transmute the negative to positive using their Divine Source connection, thus teaching the negative entities a lesson], then Bill Gates will certainly not suffer the consequences.

Think about how Bill Gates multiplied his money by Visualizing his software in every desktop [He is alleged to have mastered the "Master Key" System System by Charles Hannel], and pursuing this goal.

If we become as wealthy as him by following his techniques, then we can sponsor a cure to combat the negativity of his vaccines.

This is the problem, good people think about a few bad things in some billionaires and then avoid becoming rich. This is the Archonic Illusion, to keep billions of good people in poverty by making them wary of rich people instead of learning from the rich people who became wealthy without being born in aristocratic bloodlines.

Here are less controversial examples from tennis:

Pete Sampras. Gave away nearly his entire paycheck of his first US Open triumph, and then minted tens of millions of dollars.

Bjorn Borg, a legend in his own right, did not do what those like Sampras did. Astrological patterns set in and he lost a lot of his wealth.

Same thing happened to Goran Ivanisevic, lost most of his wealth.

Boris Becker had ups and downs all his life but after giving away big bucks to settle a paternity suit, dramatically increased his wealth. The Law of Giving is an exact Science.

Rafael Nadal is not likely to lose his wealth. The legend selflessly helps third world country kids learn tennis. His generosity is top secret.

posted May 27, 2015 10:01 AM            

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I think Bill Gates would have done incredible good over many lifetimes to amass so much wealth. As a top techie with little time and hobnobbing with those who have big names and degrees, he will not understand the deeper dangers of vaccinations that conspiracy researchers have.

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posted May 27, 2015 01:24 PM            

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Only possible for a small percentage of the population even in the most wealthy countries. In fact, this is the grand illusion propagated politically in the USA, that anyone who works hard enough or invents something can get rich. Utter Nonsense.

However, don't assume wealth is 'good' karma. Ultimately there is no such distinction, only karma. Many wealthy people have hard lives in stark contrast to the glamour they project.

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Yes. There are combinations of factors surrounding Jupiter and Pluto, and the 2nd/8th houses that most often point to this.

Jupiter is abundance, quantity. Some people act this out internally through taking in large quantities of food/drugs or information/learning. Others, outwardly by taking in large quantities of money or material things/money.

Pluto is the wealth of not only abundance, but connections that secure long-lasting resources aimed at permanence. It doesn't simply enjoy quantities, but is even more interested in securing it from taxes, sharing, etc.

I'm talking about Jupiter or Pluto angular aspects (conjunction, parallel, square, opposition, contra-parallels) to Asc, MC, or tightly aspecting the 2nd/8th axis, or in angular aspect to each other, or both in angular aspects to Sun, Moon, Uranus.

In addition, Saturn aspects that drive a person from insecurity or 'not enough' add to this mixture.

posted May 27, 2015 01:44 PM            

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Only possible for a small percentage of the population even in the most wealthy countries. In fact, this is the grand illusion propagated politically in the USA, that anyone who works hard enough or invents something can get rich. Utter Nonsense.

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Also about karma....yes karma is just karma.
Many that have done wrong e.g. Tony Blair (war crime) is 'fortunate'. I'd say, s-crap karma.

Kannon,
I have Pluto in 8th which receives sextile from Jupiter but I have been poor all my life e.g. I don't own a car or house or have savings. Just my 2c.

posted May 27, 2015 03:02 PM            

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Yes. There are combinations of factors surrounding Jupiter and Pluto, and the 2nd/8th houses that most often point to this.

Jupiter is abundance, quantity. Some people act this out internally through taking in large quantities of food/drugs or information/learning. Others, outwardly by taking in large quantities of money or material things/money.

Pluto is the wealth of not only abundance, but connections that secure long-lasting resources aimed at permanence. It doesn't simply enjoy quantities, but is even more interested in securing it from taxes, sharing, etc.

I'm talking about Jupiter or Pluto angular aspects (conjunction, parallel, square, opposition, contra-parallels) to Asc, MC, or tightly aspecting the 2nd/8th axis, or in angular aspect to each other, or both in angular aspects to Sun, Moon, Uranus.

In addition, Saturn aspects that drive a person from insecurity or 'not enough' add to this mixture.

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I will second that as I have noticed that as well.

posted May 27, 2015 04:34 PM            

The point is, his good got him the billions.

What he does with the money now will direct his next incarnation.

Astrologically, it was clear he would be rich but not the bilionaire level. For that, he used Prosperity Techniques.

Sure the game is rigged at the highest level but not at the level of being a multi-milionaire who enjoys perfect health and piles on good deeds.

There are millions of new millionaires in Asia who became rich between 2000 and 2015 without any Freemasonry contact [else Freemasonry member numbers would swell to record levels!]. As far as I recall, Jack Ma of AliBaba.com was not into any occult stuff either. He was teaching English

Thousands of stock brokers made millions by punting on Call Options during the change of government in India.

It is ultimately about the attitude and application of prosperity Laws to what we find in the charts [2nd Lord for Cash Flow, 8th Lord for borrowings, 5th Lord for Patents, 11th Lord for gains, 4th Lord for Real Estate, 7th Lord for Partnerships etc etc]

In fact only when a certain amount of good karma is done can the right Prosperity Laws [not the scams] become available to a person
and even more good deeds need to be done before a person gets the courage to apply the Laws.

The System is more rigged to lead humanity astray from wealth consciousness than to keep the top 1% Fat. If everyone became rich, nobody would borrow from banks owned by the Bilderbergers or Illuminati Cartels.

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posted May 27, 2015 06:50 PM            

Visualizing your own product in every computer is self-centered and self-aggrandizing. Serving humanity and meeting needs - real needs, not inventing new ones - is how we develop.

Its not about what factors you have in your chart, but how you use them. My wife has birth chart factors of potential wealth (Jupier parallel Asc, Moon conjunct MC) and was born into an upper middle class family. That does not mean that her life objectives involve the accumulation of excessive amounts of cash, or possessions, or properties. People who do reveal the transientness of their own sense of purpose, not a longer-arcing soul purpose. My wife is generous of spirit and that is why I'm with her.

Abundance means plenty. Most people who have $50,000+/year to live on in the USA are experiencing abundance. The difficulty is that even that level of abundance tends to cause people to take on more and more expensive things, creating more concerns over how to manage it all. Its what you do with it that matters, not how much you have.

Quality over quantity.

Some of the super wealthy people you mentioned became wealthy on the backs of the labor and inventiveness of others, and through court battles rather than honest work. Not my idea of how it should be done.

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There are millions of new millionaires in Asia who became rich between 2000 and 2015 without any Freemasonry contact [else Freemasonry member numbers would swell to record levels!]. As far as I recall, Jack Ma of AliBaba.com was not into any occult stuff either. He was teaching English

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posted May 28, 2015 04:43 AM            

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iQ - I don't agree that if a person is super wealthy this means they must have wonderful karma from past lives.

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posted May 28, 2015 04:33 PM            

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There are special, extraordinary skills behind some people getting very rich at a certain moment in time coupled with a need the society has. Gates got rich through an innovation which proved revolutionary and a milestone for that particular moment. He also applied, after a certain moment, ruthless business practices to secure a monopole (which I believe is wrong from a spiritual POV, but for an ambitious competitive businessman may seem as the normal thing to do). The root for his wealth is a highly developed skill for computers. So did Buffet with his extraordinary financial speculative nature, or Trump with his special social skills. Many self-made billionaires become rich as a result of special gifts and talents, and many others become such as a result of ruthless business speculative behavior, a club affiliation as astra describes or combining those.
I think people should look at the positive side of these stories and be encouraged (including by astrologers) to have faith in their gifts and their innovative projects, bring them out there, and devote themselves to these projects and skills because they love them and because of what these projects bring to the world (you never know how far your skill and project can go) and not with the purpose of getting rich. It is usually the dream of someone who experienced poverty to find a final solution for poverty by becoming a billionaire (understandable, psychologically). But it is illusory, for wealth comes and goes; whatever the first two generations gather, the next two always squander or "karma" simply redistributes things. Thus being said, I don't believe people should be encouraged to believe in getting rich schemes, but rather on how to develop their extraordinary skills and do things they are passionate about; if these things they do are valuable for humanity in general, they will be welcomed on a global level, at some point

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posted May 28, 2015 05:25 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
There are special, extraordinary skills behind some people getting very rich at a certain moment in time coupled with a need the society has. Gates got rich through an innovation which proved revolutionary and a milestone for that particular moment. He also applied, after a certain moment, ruthless business practices to secure a monopole (which I believe is wrong from a spiritual POV, but for an ambitious competitive businessman may seem as the normal thing to do). The root for his wealth is a highly developed skill for computers. So did Buffet with his extraordinary financial speculative nature, or Trump with his special social skills. Many self-made billionaires become rich as a result of special gifts and talents, and many others become such as a result of ruthless business speculative behavior, a club affiliation as astra describes or combining those.
I think people should look at the positive side of these stories and be encouraged (including by astrologers) to have faith in their gifts and their innovative projects, bring them out there, and devote themselves to these projects and skills because they love them and because of what these projects bring to the world (you never know how far your skill and project can go) and not with the purpose of getting rich. It is usually the dream of someone who experienced poverty to find a final solution for poverty by becoming a billionaire (understandable, psychologically). But it is illusory, for wealth comes and goes; whatever the first two generations gather, the next two always squander or "karma" simply redistributes things. Thus being said, I don't believe people should be encouraged to believe in getting rich schemes, but rather on how to develop their extraordinary skills and do things they are passionate about; if these things they do are valuable for humanity in general, they will be welcomed on a global level, at some point.

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