posted May 30, 2015 05:56 AM            

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Originally posted by erickaf:
Well for me I have Aquarius Moon and I live in my head...but I am aware of myself not very observant of others or things around me.

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So you are more of an objective, mentally oriented person then a person who gets carried away with their emotions.

posted May 30, 2015 07:34 AM            

Just a weird thing about my Aqua-Moon. Of course that does not mean I am more or less self-aware than anyone else. It is just that peculiar way my perception works.

Life as a story. That probably sums my perspective on life up.

I am not that much of an observer anymore though, much more integrated in actually living life instead of just watching it.

I suppose it can easily be seen in my pr Sun in Aquarius (still quite far from my Moon though) and my pr Moon in Leo.So that axis is rather prominent at the moment for me.

But in relation to the topic-title I don`t think that "self-oriented/focused" is the same as "self-aware". Being aware of something to me means having the ability to perceive it from an insider perspective AND also being able to step a little back and get a more detached view on it (though this mgiht be my Aqua-Moon-speaking).

I also do not think Aries is the most self-AWARE. The first house is actually not a very conscious one, but one of instinctive reactions and automatic responses.
The awareness, the cognition about it is actually coming into play in the mental quadrant, starting with the7th house (we recognize ourself mostly through relations/ encounters with the outside world, some sort of reflection) and hence Libra. Cardinal air as well. a mental process being initiated there in terms of SElf and Others.

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Actually I think no person is really completely self-aware, even though all of us like to think we are.

posted May 30, 2015 07:41 AM            

I would think introspection and analysis of relationship (as the "great mirror") produces self-awareness.

I agree with the poster who stated the relationship between the Sun and Moon would be important for self-awareness, but I would add Venus, for understanding self through relationship to others.

posted May 30, 2015 07:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:

I would think introspection and analysis of relationship (as the "great mirror") produces self-awareness.

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posted May 30, 2015 08:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes, that is what I tried to say somewhere in my post above, too. We need the other to reflect ourselves.
The other does not ncessarily have to be a romantic partner though.
Could even be the environment we live in.

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Yes, this is what I was trying say. Relationship, simply as exchange/reflection of energies. Platonic, familial, romantic, could all perform this function.

posted May 30, 2015 02:43 PM            

Scorpio's are pretty aware, as are Taureans, from what I've gained. But I've also noticed that Taureans and Scorpios are aware in an "angry soldier looking out for the enemy" kind of way. The less evolved ones, so to say.

posted May 30, 2015 02:58 PM            

There is not such thing as an absolute.

posted May 30, 2015 06:15 PM            

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Originally posted by stillatlarge:
[I'm just curious. Since they're opposites, would that be true?

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No. This is a misunderstanding of 'opposite' either as opposite signs or as oppositions between planets. This does not refer to a condition of 'is' vs 'is not.'

Signs opposite each other in the zodiac have sympathy. They are of the same polarity.

Planets opposite each other are interacting, creating energy together.

That Taurus can be seen as 'lazy' does not make Scorpio 'hard working.' That Sagittarians can be seen as 'expansive and enthusiastic' does not mean Geminians are 'receding and pessimistic.'

posted May 31, 2015 07:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
About Leo-Aquarius...

Leo is more about creating, and expressing passions then about being 'self aware'. Leo traditionally rules the 5th house of self-expression, and creativity. They love to show off what they can do to others, rather then going off and doing their own thing like Aries. Leos can be a bit proud, but they can also be very generous. They GIVE and express with their energy. They tend to live their lives like they are putting on a performance. This is not fake though. It's just how they are.

Aquarius, the opposite sign of Leo, is the sign of the observer. They love to people-watch and analyze situations from an objective standpoint. Leo likes to get wrapped up in the dramatic highs and lows of experiencing life. They embrace their emotions. Aquarius on the other hand, tries not to let their emotions blind them to the truth of what's happening. They study the world around them as they mix with all the varieties of people in the world. They receive information from many, and love to pass on what they have learned listening to others, and observing others. They are also capable of making self-observations with clear cut objectivity. Whereas Leo tends to think of themselves as the star of some epic story, on a hero's quest of some kind.

If Leo lives their life like they are putting on a performance, Aquarius lives their life like they are a social-scientist. Astrology is said to be ruled by Aquarius/Uranus. Both signs are very 'self-aware' but in different ways.

Leo is very aware of their personal experiences in life, and the emotional significance that goes along with them. They see specialness and magic in life, in themselves, and in others. In their minds they are living the a hero's storyline.

Aquarius is very aware of the objective social context that we all live in. And the ways in which people have commonalities that all humans share, as well as differences that make people totally unique. Every individual is a human with the same basic tendencies, and yet each is also different then any other human because of their individual personality and experiences. Aqua's love to study the things about themselves and others that make them the same as everyone else, as well as the things that make them different then anyone else. The dichotomy shared similarities and individual diversity amongst people, and within themselves, is a topic of endless fascination for Aquarius. They love to apply their sharp logic to this topic, and to discover the reasons behind why people are the way they are (including themselves).

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posted July 26, 2015 11:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Libra, the sign opposite Aries is the most other-oriented sign. Libra is totally into balancing themselves with others, and putting effort into relationships. On the plus side Libra is charming and easygoing, on the negative side they have a hard time asserting themselves.

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Very true, Libra here.
My cousin is a Scorpio and Aunt-her mother is a Leo.

Scorpio out of Leo is definitely the most self aware out of the two, and between Leo and Aqua from what I've seen definitely Aqua.

posted July 26, 2015 11:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
I think Virgo is the most self-aware sign...

Really...

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posted July 26, 2015 11:28 PM            

But again, the higher octave expression of Virgo serves others. For Pisces the higher octave expression serves spirituality.

Leo serves others by entertainment and creativity. Aquarius serves others through charity and worldly support.

Gemini serves through communicating ideas to others. Sagi through communicating higher thought ideas.

--- I hope my point is understandable. I'm not sure if the word serves is the right word but there is personal expression and outward expression. Even though Leo rules Ego, that doesn't mean that others don't have parts of ego in them.

For those who have Scorpio energies and are bashing the Leo sign, just remember that we are not stuck on our natal charts. There are transits and progressions that involve the Sun so you too get your dose of ego. The most egotistical people I know have strong Scorpio influences which is a shame because I really do like that sign.

I can strongly identify with the signs Aquarius Leo & Scorpio (Uranus in the first, Sun in 5th, Moon in Leo square Pluto & Pluto ruling tenth house in tenth as well as being highly aspected).

Bashing a sign or placement makes absolutely no sense because of transits and progressions. I used to be like that too. I wasn't a fan of Virgo (Even though my mars is in Virgo) until I realized that it was really immature. Other people with Virgo placements would always square my Gem sun and mercury so that could be why. But what's the difference between someone who doesn't know astrology and hates the way someone is and someone who DOES know?? I really thought about it and astrology should help us build tolerance towards people for what's acceptable. I told this person that I really cared for how I couldn't take how critical (Virgo) and full of attitude (Scorpio) that person was. That person was my best friend and even after that they had not changed. But at the same time, there are so many coworkers that I LOOOVEE with Virgo and Scorpio.
I hope my hubby has tons of those in him.

posted July 27, 2015 06:18 AM            

It depends a lot on what else is in the chart and we all have moments.
I know that I've had plenty moments of being very self-aware and others where I might as well have been asleep while I was talking or doing something.

But if you'll twist my arm I'd go with Virgo as most self-aware.
A step up from self-centered and learning from Leo who is the sign of self-centeredness. I don't mean that cruelly but Leo is the sign centered around self.
Virgo also rules 6th, right before 7th when you start to deal with others by service and right before partnership. Hopefully you're aware of self so that you can give your best to them.

posted July 27, 2015 09:44 AM            

Leo is most independent, secure as opposed to Cancer as its opposite individual principle. Aquarius is most abstract (non material) and inventive as opposed to its opposite individual principle of Capricorn.

Leo is not the most self-aware in my opinion but clearly is aware of the "God" within and takes it on its own to think for others. More than anything it wants to have an effect on others, teach others how to connect to their own power, that is, in the purest expression of the sign.

Aquarius takes it a step farther and senses trends for the future, for evolution and growth. It is equally self-aware yet searches for an explanation of what is felt beyond our physical limitations. Therefore it connects that "God" within each individual to all of humanity and helps us understand self in a greater way.

IMO all signs are equally self aware, but in varying ways.
Cancer, Capricorn, Leo and Aquarius are self-aware as individuals. Threaten the individual and these signs will be very aware. They will act to maintain individuality.
Scorpio, Taurus, Aries and Libra are self-aware within a family. Threaten the family, and that includes offspring such as creative expressions, as well as aquired family, and these signs will be aware and act to protect what it's will has created.
Pisces, Virgo, Sag and Gemini are self-aware within a social structure. Threaten social structure or social engagement and these signs will be aware. They will act in accordance place in to society.

posted July 27, 2015 12:10 PM            

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Originally posted by stillatlarge:
I'm just curious. Since they're opposites, would that be true? They really don't seem to see themselves very accurately, IMO.

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posted July 27, 2015 01:08 PM            

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I'm just curious. Since they're opposites, would that be true? They really don't seem to see themselves very accurately, IMO.

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Thats because you don't understand Leos lol

Leo represents self-awareness while aquarius represents collective awareness.

They are both two sides of the same coin that is needed.

In your natal chart, Leo represents where you need to become the greatest version of yourself and then GIVE that energy back to the world. Like the Sun that is deep rooted in your core. Its productive energy lives inside of you then finds a way to exude/express that energy to produce life in the people around it. This is why Leos are looked up to as leaders, producers and creators and some regard them as alchemists.

AQUARIUS in your chart represents how you take the energy of Leo, and "connect" it in the society around you. Aquarius, like air, breaks and connects. So while Leo represents the productive energy of the whole self, Aquarius represents how that energy connects in different fields in society with reform, change, etc..

Aquarius is the light bearer, and Leo is the light itself. They both carry out what is needed for the greater self, which immediately affects the community as we ALL become our greater selves. Hope that helps

Btw, im a Leo sun and Aquarius rising. Today is my birthday!

posted July 28, 2015 01:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
I think Virgo is the most self-aware sign...

Really...

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I was about to say the same thing.

I agree with Ceri, there is a difference between being self-focused and self-aware.

In my astrological experience, the champions of self-focus + self-reference + self-centerdeness are 1st house and Aries placements. A very populated 1st house/ASC conj usually gives that, no matter the sign.

Self-awareness and awareness of others/environment is the domain of Virgo/Pisces (and 6th and 12th house). It is related to being very OBSERVANT (of oneself and others) hence self-conscious (also related to Virgo being aware of bodily processes) and analytical, in the case of Virgo, and being highly PERCEPTIVE (intuitive, aware of moods/feelings, feeling things, but sometimes not being perfectly aware what it is or how to put it in words, but feeling oneself and the others and the environment very well, although Pisces have difficulties in distinguishing when one begins and the other ends). Conscious vs unconscious awareness.

But I think the OP meant, in the case of Leo, VALUING ONESELF. This is indeed the domain of Leo placements, IMO. Leo placements bring a lot of vitality and a keen sense of personal value. As Lotis explained, Leo placements know they are a hero, a star; it is true, having a Leo placement is an aspect of "royalty' and just by the vitality it brings, it gives the native a star quality at least about something, about that area. It is a genuine advantage. Sometimes it is however used in the detriment of others, such as power abuse, arrogance and megalomania. Megalomania is the danger of Leo placements and many dictators, for instance, have such an influence in their chart.

However, many times people perceive Leo's natural certainty that they are very valuable as arrogance, especially the more insecure placements, or placements of strong modesty or equality between people, or other dominant signs. More insecure placements are baffled by Leo being so sure of themselves, of their value. Decent, modest, egalitarian people don't like other people boasting about their talents or standing out all the time (it is indeed obnoxious) or they reject elitism. Other dominant placements...are not eager to give to the lion the Lion's share it naturally deserves.

But it is important to understand having a Leo placement brings a genuine sense of personal value and many times it is justified, there is something more powerful or more creative about these placements. Leos see this in other people as well and are surprised when the others don't know or believe this about themselves; which makes Leo quite allergic to constant whining and/or self-depreciation, for instance.

It is interesting to notice that when someone tries to undermine the most modest, wallflower Leo: they never succeed. Leo may show apparent weakness or seek counsel from time to time, but watch what happens if you suspect this comes from a place of weakness or try to use it for undermining. Leos can't be undermined by the most skilled manipulators. They genuinely believe in personal power for everyone. The same happens when someone tries to downplay a Leo (especially in public) or question their abilities or when Leo discovers you don't genuinely admire them. It's not about the ego, as many people say, it's about a keen and genuine sense of the concept of personal value in general that these placements bring in the chart, which makes this sign proud of who they are, along with the belief that everyone is or should be proud of themselves too. Leo steps down immediately in the above mentioned cases, perceiving the other as having been dishonest with them (using only flattery), as an attempt of manipulation and control for personal benefits, or as having some sort of personal problems if they can't see Leo's brightness.

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posted July 28, 2015 01:57 PM            

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Originally posted by StillTippin:
Being self conscious is not self aware. But to be honest, Aquas(the sign itself)seemed to be self conscious to me also and both of em for the same reason just different expressions

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Being self-conscious is the negative side of being self-aware (a consequence of it), such as being self-centered the negative side of being self-focused or being proud of oneself vs being a smug.

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posted July 28, 2015 04:24 PM            

I think some of you guys are confusing the Leo/Aqua polarity. I've done research on every sign (not just the textbook definitions)

Leo represents the SPHINX and their goal in life is "self-mastery". When Leos evolve pass the "basic ego" they transcend to a higher knowledge and awareness of life within AND without them. They literally become the Sun itself. Everything within will manifest without. And as they command their "inner throne" they will do things for the greater good in the way they connect with the outside world. This is where AQUARIUS comes in because aquarius is all about connecting, reforming, and progressing.

Aquarius connects the light, Leos are the light.

Aquarius is nothing without Leo. And Leos are nothing without Aquarius...

I agree with LeeLoo. I think some people are misinterpreting self-awareness. Every sign is self-aware in a way but I think Leo/Aquarius are the archetypes of self and collective awareness

Anything that deals with being the greatest version of yourself and transcending past spiritual and mental restrictions are dealt with Leo. While knowing how to meet the right people to use that "greatest version of yourself" and connect with the world around you deals with Aquarius.

Anyway..being a Leo is NOT EASY. Our dominant planet the Sun surrounds us every day. And its hard when the very sign that represents self-awareness and productivity (Leo) has to constantly be caught up in a system and a world that forces them to be something that they're not. So of course our fangs are gonna come out. Not that I'm justifying it. I hate seeing it myself

posted July 28, 2015 04:35 PM            

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Kinda disagree with the self-conscious part because people interpret it in different ways when they see it. When astrologers say Leos are self-conscious, they are saying that they have the deepest connection with their souls. Leos are very self-aware because the Sun is the very planet of the productive life force.

I think some of you guys are confusing the Leo/Aqua polarity and are being a bit one sided. I've done research on every sign (not just the textbook definitions)

Leo represents the SPHINX and their goal in life is "self-mastery". When Leos evolve pass the "basic ego" they transcend to a higher knowledge and awareness of life within AND without them. They literally become the Sun itself. Everything within will manifest without. And as they command their "inner throne" they will do things for the greater good in the way they connect with the outside world. This is where AQUARIUS comes in because aquarius is all about connecting.

Aquarius connects the light, Leos are the light.

Aquarius is nothing without Leo. And Leos are incomplete without Aquarius...

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Happy, birthday NYC!

I never said it is specific for Leos to be self-aware or self-conscious, it is not their specialty, I was talking about Virgo.

BTW, I am talking about Leo placements in general, not just Sun signs. Each sign brings a specific energy and neither of us has just one of those in our charts.

If you talked about my confusion, there isn't any, I haven't even mentioned Aqua in there.

Evolved Leo may be the Sphynx, but Leo has its flaws like any other sign, there is a negative manifestation of every zodiacal energy. When it comes to Leo, the negative manifestation of this energy is, IMO, the one I mentioned.

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posted July 28, 2015 04:48 PM            

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Happy, birthday NYC!

I never said it is specific for Leos to be self-aware or self-conscious, it is not their specialty, I was talking about Virgo.

BTW, I am talking about Leo placements in general, not just Sun signs. Each sign brings a specific energy and neither of us has just one of those in our charts.

If you talked about my confusion, there isn't any, I haven't even mentioned Aqua in there.

Evolved Leo may be the Sphynx, but Leo has its flaws like any other sign, there is a negative manifestation of every zodiacal energy. When it comes to Leo, the negative manifestation of this energy is, IMO, the one I mentioned.

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