posted May 27, 2015 01:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Jimmy2321:
Hey guys ive been trying to identify and learn about the aspects in my chart
And i didint find many articles about this placement just basically that i would have a prosperous and succesfull public/professional life. I have it in an exact orb 0 degrees.

Do you guys have any tougths, experiences, words, insight? or know people that have it and how it played out in their lives?

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I think the placement would be great for a career. It could make you stand out for in work situations, especially at a tight orb. I have a saturn trine mc and takes time for me get there, but I am appreciated.

What's your placements in your chart? For example like your sun and your house placement and also tell me your mc?

posted May 27, 2015 01:13 PM            

Better to learn the overall tone of your charts and focus on planet-to-planet aspects while watching transits through your chart (once you're ready for that).

Click on the Rising Sign Descriptions link in my signature and see if you actually fit the rising sign you are supposed to be. If not read the previous two signs. It is not that uncommon for a person's real Asc to be in the previous sign. You'd be amazed how this adjustment (by someone who knows what they are doing) can clarify things when the chart is clicked into place. When the chart Asc degree is completely valid [see https://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/chart-validation-standards/], then you can know that your Asc and MC aspects are valid.

posted May 27, 2015 01:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
I wouldn't put much stock in this particular chart factor. Most often charts even set by specified birth time are not accurate enough along the Asc/DC axis (and MC/IC) to know what aspects you actually have.

Better to learn the overall tone of your charts and focus on planet-to-planet aspects while watching transits through your chart (once you're ready for that).

Click on the Rising Sign Descriptions link in my signature and see if you actually fit the rising sign you are supposed to be. If not read the previous two signs. It is not that uncommon for a person's real Asc to be in the previous sign. You'd be amazed how this adjustment (by someone who knows what they are doing) can clarify things when the chart is clicked into place. When the chart Asc degree is completely valid [see https://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/chart-validation-standards/], then you can know that your Asc and MC aspects are valid.

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posted May 27, 2015 04:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Geminiyoungster:

I think the placement would be great for a career. It could make you stand out for in work situations, especially at a tight orb. I have a saturn trine mc and takes time for me get there, but I am appreciated.

What's your placements in your chart? For example like your sun and your house placement and also tell me your mc?

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Well yeah i can imagine that with saturn there , being the steady hard worker.
I added a pic of my chart below

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
I wouldn't put much stock in this particular chart factor. Most often charts even set by specified birth time are not accurate enough along the Asc/DC axis (and MC/IC) to know what aspects you actually have.

Better to learn the overall tone of your charts and focus on planet-to-planet aspects while watching transits through your chart (once you're ready for that).

Click on the Rising Sign Descriptions link in my signature and see if you actually fit the rising sign you are supposed to be. If not read the previous two signs. It is not that uncommon for a person's real Asc to be in the previous sign. You'd be amazed how this adjustment (by someone who knows what they are doing) can clarify things when the chart is clicked into place. When the chart Asc degree is completely valid [see https://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/chart-validation-standards/], then you can know that your Asc and MC aspects are valid.

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posted May 27, 2015 06:55 PM            

An accurate Asc and recorded time of birth are not synonymous. A recorded time of birth is good, but is just a starting place for knowing the correct Asc. So if you know you are Aquarius rising, then based on the chart you've posted here you can probably narrow it down to the first 24 degrees or so of the sign. No way I can confirm it for you without the birth data displayed on the chart image.

I'll eventually have a permanent web page on this, but haven't got around to it yet.

posted May 27, 2015 11:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
I wasn't referring to a specific birth time, but to the actual accuracy the Asc. Apples and Oranges.

An accurate Asc and recorded time of birth are not synonymous. A recorded time of birth is good, but is just a starting place for knowing the correct Asc. So if you know you are Aquarius rising, then based on the chart you've posted here you can probably narrow it down to the first 24 degrees or so of the sign. No way I can confirm it for you without the birth data displayed on the chart image.

I'll eventually have a permanent web page on this, but haven't got around to it yet.

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posted May 28, 2015 05:41 PM            

The correct sign and degree will be found within about a 5 hour time range, 4-5 hrs pre-delivery to about 1/2 post-delivery of the newborn. The birth moment as we observe it is the marker of the end of the mother's biological delivery process, but does not necessarily match exactly with the intention of the incoming soul that sets the correct horoscope. Because this happens in an inter-dimensional environment (astrology is a trans-dimensional dynamic), it leaves metaphysical factors unseen by conventional methods.

Standard astrological practice needs a tangible materially 'factual' mark to work with, but the method of determining the degree of the Asc by finding where the ecliptic and eastern horizon meet is incomplete. That is simply because there is no conventional way to immediately determine the correct Asc (without sophisticated methods, mathematics, and more involved verification).

This means practically speaking that over time if we understand the Rising Signs well enough we can verify which one is correct and narrow down the degree.

Soft aspects to Asc or MC like Jimmy2321 mentions (Sun trine MC) do not have dynamic enough or strong enough effects to be used as a metric for determining the accuracy of a natal Asc. Instead, potential angular aspects (conjunctions/parallels, oppositions/contra-parallels, squares) which have much stronger effect can be the basis for determining where the natal aspect dynamics click into place.

Each chart is different, sometimes the clues to the correct Asc are found in transits for periods of major life events, changes, etc. Sometimes only the secondary progressions will reveal it. Some verifications are easy in my methodology, but others quite difficult.

The common sense basic bottom line here recognizes an important distinction: records of birth facts, while normally accurate enough are not astrological documents, and the presumption that they translate into 'astrological facts' means they should be verifiable, testable by astrological means. Unfortunately most astrologers don't have the astrological literacy to accomplish this. It is hard earned with few to teach it.

Jimmy2321 - Pardon my diversion. I know this is far from your original question regarding Sun trine MC. Sun trine MC is a flowing aspect that can correlate to leadership, management, and/or capability in working with authority figures or in organizations, or in effectively managing one's career. However, the flowing nature of the trine means its a bit passive and often indicates the need to push a bit harder than natural tendency in order to get the results you want.

Again, I don't presume a chart to have such specific aspects before chart verification, so I recommend learning instead from the planet-to-planet aspects, including those in declination. There is no aspect that guarantees success in anything. All these factors combine for a starting place rather than an outcome, a default setting to return to, not a carved-in-stone destiny.

posted May 29, 2015 03:41 PM            

I've never paid much attention to that specifically.

and yeah i never intended to mark it as a determining factor on my chart just an important one since the 0 degree but knowing now the innaccuraccy of asc youre basically telling me to correlate transits to my asc and verify if theyre indeed making a change in my life or as if im feeling them.

posted May 29, 2015 08:53 PM            

It isn't that your Asc is not accurate. I don't know. But you may be able to narrow it down by (1) being certain of the rising sign; (2) narrowing down the degree area. One way of doing the second is to watch Mars and/or Sun through Aquarius -- if you are certain it is the correct sign -- and see what day is one of particular strength/confidence (Sun), or assertiveness (Mars). This won't necessarily determine the exact degree, but it can narrow it down to 2* usually. That is because a parallel can happen first triggering this association, but before the planet is actually conjunct the Asc.

There is a definite annual landmark when the Sun crosses one's Asc into the 1st house. This happens each year for me around Sept 9 since my Asc is 17 Virgo. Obviously these planets (and Jupiter) in square/oppisition transit can help create this clarity as well.

In fact, as it concerns your chart, Jimmy, Jupiter is now 16LEO21, which means it is opposite the 17AQU40 Asc your chart shows. Assuming your correct Asc could possibly be at an earlier degree, look back over the last year (to July 2014 when it entered Leo) to see at what point your relational/social life may have opened up. Note exact dates of any such events and see where Jupiter was.

posted May 30, 2015 04:00 PM            

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