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SaturnFan
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posted June 02, 2015 10:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaturnFan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know this is not a clear-cut topic, and when different house systems show key placements in different houses, the best way to determine which one is more accurate is to see which one the person resonates with the most.

But I've seen a lot of examples of people identifying with both interpretations. I experienced this myself recently by switching from Placidus to Equal, and had my mind blown with the change in 1 placement, and how strongly its other interpretation resonated with me.

I honestly don't know which interpretation is stronger and more accurate.

How do you approach such situations? Do you keep an open mind and use both placements/ interpretations or do you tend to stick with just one? Is there any way to validate things further, other than 'feeling' which one resonates most?

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Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted June 02, 2015 10:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am wondering the same thing.

In Placidus I have MOON in 11th, which I cannot relate to.

In Equal, I have MOON in 12th, which makes more sense.

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Kannon McAfee
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posted June 02, 2015 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Validate the Asc -- by degree & sign -- its the only way to first ensure accurate house placements in any system. If you leap over this on the unquestioned assumption that a recorded time of birth (even to the minute) gives you an exactly accurate Asc, then you may not have an accurate chart to work with in either (or any) house system.

How are house systems set up?

Starting with the MC/Asc - the calculated points. Then the intermediate houses are filled in on principle of either time or distance arcs.

Placidus is the system that is closest to being perfect for all horoscopes. It breaks down, however, above 66* latitude (north or south), as any current house system does. We do not yet have a house system that works properly at all latitudes of birth.

There is a reason for that, which I have spoken of and recently reiterated on my blog ... that the principle of the Asc is not yet fully understood (beyond its mundane definition), therefore it/the MC cannot be used to properly calculate other points at all latitudes.

The equal house system is only a house system on paper - a hypothetical one proposed by someone who seemingly understood nothing about the nature of house systems. It only makes sense for those looking at flat wheel charts who want something clear cut and convenient. In terms of a real house system, its a fraud. It does not recognize the 3-dimensional, spherical nature of our planet and its rotation. It treats the globe as if it were flat and its equator and poles perfectly aligned with perpendicularity into perpetuity.

Because of wobble in rotation, the earth's tilted axis, and its imperfect spheric shape, a so-called equal house system is an impossibility. The persuasion of individuals to it for interpretations that seem comparably better than those for other systems, does not in any way evaluate or verify the geophysical and mathematical basis for the equal house system, because it cannot be done.

That one planet's house interpretation in a single birth chart makes more sense in one system vs another is in no way a validation of the preferred system. Your chart might make better sense in that house system, but that misdirects attention from what would make your chart a testing ground for any house system -- first validating the degree and sign on the Asc of the chart by thorough testing. Then and only then is a chart truly ready as the subject for a comparison of house systems.

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SaturnFan
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posted June 03, 2015 06:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaturnFan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Kannon. Fantastic insights as always!

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Seimei
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posted June 03, 2015 08:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Seimei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
funny

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Living at 30 degrees latitude myself I tend to ignore what House system I am using
as it makes very little difference,
Even still I see a planet working in the sign it is in even when that sign is on the next house cusp.

I find it more important that from my Pluto is 135 degrees and 27' to my Saturn and my Saturn is 89 degrees 35 minutes ahead of my ascendant than which 12th part of a flat circle it lies upon.
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