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Topic: 12th house people versus non 12th house people....
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Gabby
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posted June 02, 2015 11:27 AM
  
As a 12th house person everything in life becomes a thoughtful process to find what's the deeper meaning, we analyze, pondered on and questioned everything to bring out a deeper understanding.
Non 12th house people see this as over analyzing and unnecessary thinking that drives them crazy....I guess as 12th house ppl we must just keep thoughts to ourselves when dealing with non 12th house people? IP: Logged |
Seimei
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posted June 02, 2015 11:36 AM
Oh yes you are so correct. Might as well keep thoughts to ourselves as few understand any way.
12H late virgo ,Sun Virgo,Pluto Virgo,
Mercury Rx Mars Libra, Mars works both.
always deep in thought. Long term planning confounds others.------------------
Seimei,
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Gabby
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posted June 02, 2015 11:40 AM
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Originally posted by Seimei:
Oh yes you are so correct. Might as well keep thoughts to ourselves as few understand any way.
12H late virgo ,Sun Virgo,Pluto Virgo,
Mercury Rx Mars Libra, Mars works both.
always deep in thought. Long term planning confounds others.
Funny we've become such good friends Seimei, I've a 12th house virgo moon! 
To your libra Mars, I have a Libra Venus
My Mercury is conjunct Sun/Neptune on cusp of 3rd leading to my thinking being very unique(to say the least, lol) IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted June 02, 2015 02:04 PM
I'm just a tiny bit younger than you, Gabby. This full moon is conjunct our Neptune ~ and yeah I was just wondering about the same thing. I feel closest to people I have a psychic connection with. I feel very bonded to people if we experience something paranormal together....even random things...because they help me see how thin the veils are, while sparing me from having to say anything. Actually it's quite Neptunian because most of these people, I don't even talk to anymore...almost like, once we've established a spiritual connection, the material bond is harder to sustain (?) I'm confused. 12H Saturn in mutual reception with sun
Pisces moon ruling the 12H
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lalalinda
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posted June 02, 2015 02:28 PM
My Ascendant Ruler (Jupiter/Sag) is in the 12th house.
This helps to balance my Natal and to make up for my lack of Water (Neptune/Scorpio). quote:
Might as well keep thoughts to ourselves as few understand any way...Seimei
my thoughts exactly. 
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"There ain't no revolution, only evolution, but every time I'm in Georgia I 'eat a peach' for peace." Duane Allman IP: Logged |
12muddy
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posted June 02, 2015 04:33 PM
In my experiences, quite a few people have been strangely receptive and understanding whenever I reveal my thoughts/feelings.It's commonly said that the 12th house put a foggy veils over our eyes. This applies to me. Idk if other 12th house people can relate, but to me one of the difficulties is that even I sometimes find it tough to "make sense" of my own thoughts, so whenever that happens, it makes it hard to articulate my thoughts and feelings to other people. I guess under certain circumstances, it may causes misunderstandings, and sometimes people may get frustrated and see the 12th house people as over thinking IP: Logged |
yellowelevator
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posted June 02, 2015 06:01 PM
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Originally posted by 12muddy:
In my experiences, quite a few people have been strangely receptive and understanding whenever I reveal my thoughts/feelings.It's commonly said that the 12th house put a foggy veils over our eyes. This applies to me. Idk if other 12th house people can relate, but to me one of the difficulties is that even I sometimes find it tough to "make sense" of my own thoughts, so whenever that happens, it makes it hard to articulate my thoughts and feelings to other people. I guess under certain circumstances, it may causes misunderstandings, and sometimes people may get frustrated and see the 12th house people as over thinking
Yep, this definitely happens to me a lot. A whole lot more than I'd like it to (and I don't usually like it lol). I have my Moon there, and I think it even possibly enhances the pure confusion surrounding my thoughts/feelings. People can definitely get frustrated and not know what to do with/for me because half the time I don't even understand what is going on inside my head. Or if I do, I really feel like I cannot verbally explain. It can be super hard to do so. And I try to be completely honest and say that I just don't know how to express myself, but sometimes it only serves to further exacerbate the level of confusion from other people. I usually feel a bit better when I know I'm simply not lying to myself or others when I say I don't know how to explain how I feel or what I want. Sometimes as long as I know I'm not lying or hiding and I'm being honest, then I start to care less whether other people get that or not. If they don't and they find it funny that I say I can't articulate my emotions all the time, then I'm just like, hey, whatever man. I don't know how to appear as you would like me to appear. Just accept that I have that difficulty sometimes. And if you care enough, then you can help me through it if you'd like. IP: Logged |
peony
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posted June 02, 2015 06:39 PM
12H Moon and Venus here. Well, I've been fortunate. I've lived and worked with and have known people that are either on a spiritual path and/or have the same interests as I have. I don't think it's a matter of 12H vs. non-12H. I have close friends and partners, past and present, who don't have any planets in the 12H and they are very thoughtful, evolved, and spiritual people that enjoy thinking and discussing deep subjects. People that I admire just off the top of my head have no planets in the 12H: Rainer Maria Rilke, poet Carl Jung, founder of Analytical Psychology James Hillman, archetypal psychologist Richard Tarnas, teacher, scientist, author, historian Stanislav Grof, psychiatrist, researcher, one of the founders of Transpersonal Psychology IP: Logged |
EmGem
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posted June 02, 2015 07:24 PM
i have pluto in my 12th house. i've been thinking a lot about the 12th lately.. If someone has a fiery sun and venus, say Aries, in the 12th...would this reduce the neptunian energy a little and not make them so illusory and dreamlike/secretive etc.? would it act as a balance of energies compared to someone who has say a cancer sun in the 12th? IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted June 02, 2015 11:31 PM
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Originally posted by Faith:
I'm just a tiny bit younger than you, Gabby. This full moon is conjunct our Neptune ~ and yeah I was just wondering about the same thing. I feel closest to people I have a psychic connection with. I feel very bonded to people if we experience something paranormal together....even random things...because they help me see how thin the veils are, while sparing me from having to say anything. Actually it's quite Neptunian because most of these people, I don't even talk to anymore...almost like, once we've established a spiritual connection, the material bond is harder to sustain (?) I'm confused. 12H Saturn in mutual reception with sun
Pisces moon ruling the 12H
I've experienced that also, where you don't want or even try to maintain a physical relationship, I wonder if we are still connecting with them spirituality even of we are not aware of it?? Hmmmm...
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Gabby
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posted June 02, 2015 11:36 PM
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Originally posted by 12muddy:
In my experiences, quite a few people have been strangely receptive and understanding whenever I reveal my thoughts/feelings.It's commonly said that the 12th house put a foggy veils over our eyes. This applies to me. Idk if other 12th house people can relate, but to me one of the difficulties is that even I sometimes find it tough to "make sense" of my own thoughts, so whenever that happens, it makes it hard to articulate my thoughts and feelings to other people. I guess under certain circumstances, it may causes misunderstandings, and sometimes people may get frustrated and see the 12th house people as over thinking
My thoughts and feelings pour out or more like they flow out and eventually I can put them together in a new way that makes so much sense...but the process of thinking and rethinking is quite extensive although it's also quickly done, virgo moon is good for that. I just don't get why other ppl care what thoughts are going through my head anyway! Lol IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted June 02, 2015 11:39 PM
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Originally posted by EmGem:
i have pluto in my 12th house. i've been thinking a lot about the 12th lately.. If someone has a fiery sun and venus, say Aries, in the 12th...would this reduce the neptunian energy a little and not make them so illusory and dreamlike/secretive etc.? would it act as a balance of energies compared to someone who has say a cancer sun in the 12th?
I just met a aries NN person and let me tell you...they are far from visionary!! Lol quite stubborn, concrete thinker who refused to give anyone else any room to be an individual, plus they are always right and everyone else is wrong! So annoying! IP: Logged |
bananaz
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posted June 04, 2015 03:59 AM
Hey Gabby!12th house stellium in pisces (including my sun) here. Im literally the cliche version. I dont know my father, dreamy, neptunian, etc. Anyway I feel your struggle! I'm constantly looking for ways to connect to the other side because i just *sense* that this isnt my home. I analyze and re-analyze everything from relationships to the meaning of life. To anyone else, that sounds completely bonkers/borderline OCD. My family and friends are nowhere near on the same wavelength. They are too much in their physical/ego ruled selves. Unfortunately i get the impression were meant to feel like outsiders. Its all for a higher purpose though, right?
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mercuranian
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posted June 04, 2015 04:06 AM
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Originally posted by bananaz:
Hey Gabby!12th house stellium in pisces (including my sun) here. Im literally the cliche version. I dont know my father, dreamy, neptunian, etc. Anyway I feel your struggle! I'm constantly looking for ways to connect to the other side because i just *sense* that this isnt my home. I analyze and re-analyze everything from relationships to the meaning of life. To anyone else, that sounds completely bonkers/borderline OCD. My family and friends are nowhere near on the same wavelength. They are too much in their physical/ego ruled selves. Unfortunately i get the impression were meant to feel like outsiders. Its all for a higher purpose though, right?
12 house sun here, and yes to all of the above ^^
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hannaramaa
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posted June 04, 2015 09:27 AM
I have Mars and Jupiter in the 12th house, I'll get to that in a bit, but I read this from YellowElevator: quote:
It can be super hard to do so. And I try to be completely honest and say that I just don't know how to express myself, but sometimes it only serves to further exacerbate the level of confusion from other people.
and wanted to say they get frustrated because they're projecting their own feelings onto you and want you to mirror that. I also just realized that's probably a very common 12th house Moon problem.For me, my Mars in conjunct my ASC, so I don't think my rage is hidden entirely it just has a cap on it so to speak. Jupiter in Gemini in the 12th house I feel like I get NO recognition for the hard work I do but similarly with this placement it's possible I don't see the perks I get either. (Plot twist: I'm at work right now and got up to help a guest, a regular, and he tipped me $20.00 for my service. Well I guess I'll shut my mouth!) Maybe Jupiter in the 12th house means my luck is out of my control whereas others can make their own luck because they can SEE where they can benefit in life. IP: Logged |
venus2tinkerbell
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posted June 04, 2015 10:17 AM
I think 12th housers are channeling a lot more than they realize when they communicate. That's why sometimes when you try to go back and evaluate what you've shared it's hard to make sense of it in your mind. My friends respect my sensitivity. They are patient and quiet, actually supportive when I share seriously. I think it's important for 12th housers to to be aware of what makes them feel calm and comfortable when communicating. Honestly, whatever I need, my friends give me. If I can't be bothered with going back and explaining what I mean they let it go. They also know how to gently ask for clarification without throwing me off my flow. It's worth the trouble to them. People who have this level of sensitivity to me are the only ones truly give to. The rest of the time I'm just generally polite and caring, or ******* around. One thing non-12th housers should know is we have x-ray vision and can see through their clothes. IP: Logged |
bananaz
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posted June 04, 2015 04:03 PM
I think a big part of the problem is that as a society we're taught to be skeptics of anything we can't see, touch, smell. 12th house people dont need to see it to know its there. We're more attuned to energy, can easily pick up on others emotions, we sense spirits, understand the power of meditation, and believe we're not alone in the universe. To other people, this is all occult knowledge. You're considered weird if you buy into it, maybe even a little naive. But I feel like if a huge group of 12th housers got together, we'd be a powerful force.IP: Logged |
hannaramaa
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posted June 04, 2015 04:53 PM
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Originally posted by bananaz:
I think a big part of the problem is that as a society we're taught to be skeptics of anything we can't see, touch, smell. 12th house people dont need to see it to know its there. We're more attuned to energy, can easily pick up on others emotions, we sense spirits, understand the power of meditation, and believe we're not alone in the universe. To other people, this is all occult knowledge. You're considered weird if you buy into it, maybe even a little naive. But I feel like if a huge group of 12th housers got together, we'd be a powerful force.
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Venusincap89
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posted June 05, 2015 01:54 AM
I have retrograde Jupiter in Cancer 12th house, and I 've been trying to find the meaning of this planet/position for years, but other than the suggestion that I may have guardian angel, I still have no idea what it is???!!??
Can anybody please help me understand it better???IP: Logged |
mercuranian
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posted June 05, 2015 03:05 AM
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Originally posted by bananaz:
I think a big part of the problem is that as a society we're taught to be skeptics of anything we can't see, touch, smell. 12th house people dont need to see it to know its there. We're more attuned to energy, can easily pick up on others emotions, we sense spirits, understand the power of meditation, and believe we're not alone in the universe. To other people, this is all occult knowledge. You're considered weird if you buy into it, maybe even a little naive. But I feel like if a huge group of 12th housers got together, we'd be a powerful force.
indeed!! IP: Logged |
EmGem
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posted June 05, 2015 06:18 AM
Hmmmm I'm really quite drawn to 12th housers. It could be my sun opposite Neptune aspect. I can get lost in their dreams and fantasies quite easily. It could also be my 12th Pluto. They are such beautiful souls even if they're lost in illusions at times and misunderstood.Regarding their sensitivity and a point I was trying to make earlier, would a fire sign sun or other personal in this house make much difference to their overall sensitivity compared to a non fire sign person in the 12th?? IP: Logged |
bananaz
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posted June 05, 2015 03:00 PM
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Originally posted by EmGem:
Hmmmm I'm really quite drawn to 12th housers. It could be my sun opposite Neptune aspect. I can get lost in their dreams and fantasies quite easily. It could also be my 12th Pluto. They are such beautiful souls even if they're lost in illusions at times and misunderstood.Regarding their sensitivity and a point I was trying to make earlier, would a fire sign sun or other personal in this house make much difference to their overall sensitivity compared to a non fire sign person in the 12th??
I dont have a fire sun in the 12th, but I have 0 degree Aries rising and a Leo moon with 4 planets in pisces 12th house. Im overly sensitive. I really think insensitvity is shown more by air signs, sometimes earth too. Its the whole head/heart thing. Fire signs are emotional but in a fiery, passionate way. I have no planets in air signs and I think thats the balance Im missing. Maybe an air 12th? I could believe an air 12th might be a little more balanced...
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Randall
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posted June 08, 2015 12:27 PM
Empty 12th, but I still appreciate digging deeper. Could be my Pluto in the 1st. IP: Logged |
unicorn3289
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posted June 19, 2015 09:07 AM
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Originally posted by bananaz:
I dont have a fire sun in the 12th, but I have 0 degree Aries rising and a Leo moon with 4 planets in pisces 12th house. Im overly sensitive.I really think insensitvity is shown more by air signs, sometimes earth too. Its the whole head/heart thing. Fire signs are emotional but in a fiery, passionate way. I have no planets in air signs and I think thats the balance Im missing.
Maybe an air 12th? I could believe an air 12th might be a little more balanced...
Agreed, I have my sun, mercury, venus, and ascendent all in aries in the 12th house, north node in pisces also in the 12th. I'm super sensitive and I relate more to the description of pisces although I still think all aries have a fun-loving innocence about them, even if we know the darkness well, we can appear to be naive. IP: Logged |
DopGang
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posted June 19, 2015 09:23 AM
I often feel like I understand the struggles around the world, the anger, frustration, and "blindness" caused by anger and defensiveness.
I feel like I can logically see why (not agree with. I often disagree because I see it differently) an individual, or group, race, religion, etc feel the way they do about others. I want to help people see how their hatred, anger, etc really hurts themselves. It feels like the edge of something. That peace lives around the corner but no one will look.
I wish that I could help but people today hang onto their opinions and the way they view things that they are not open.
Many of us would rather be right even if it's wrong. IP: Logged | |
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