posted June 07, 2015 08:23 PM            

Careers didn't always exist. Astrology is very ancient and 1000's of years ago there wasn't any demand to go to school, get some fancy diploma and fill out job applications.

The Midheaven represents our LIFE PATH. Our consciousness in the world around us and how we interact and absorb it. I can tell SO MUCH about someone just by looking at their MC/IC axis ALONE. Plus since i follow the whole house system, it will make it more interesting if their MC/IC axis falls in their 11th/5th house or 9th/3rd etc...

Any contacts to your Midheaven point or the planet/asteroid that falls in the same sign as your midheaven will have such an incredible impact on your life. I keep reading stuff like "they will influence the job you choose" and I always laugh. Its more like "They will influence your self-awareness and what you are here to bring to the world, and you will influence each others destiny". I'm speaking from life experiences. Many fateful moments occurs during these contacts.

The MC/IC axis is pure consciousness from the root (IC) to the fruit (MC). The Sun represents what impacts our self-esteem, but our MC represents the highest point of that self-esteem and exactly where it needs to shine.

The four angles (ASC&MC particularly) and the Sun gives me boundless info to who a person is, why they are here, what they aware of (ASC&MC) and what will give their character the burning productive energy they need along the way (Sun)

posted June 07, 2015 09:24 PM            

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Originally posted by themischievousone:
Can you give an example of some of what makes the IC/MC axis interesting when it falls in 3rd/9th house or 5th/11th house?

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posted June 07, 2015 09:46 PM            

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Originally posted by starmoon:
i don't think you're making a strong point. for many people a "life path" is a career. even, if your example (like a creative person) wants to be on a path that is oriented to personal fulfillment they often find that through career. perhaps you are taking the word career too strictly; when an astrologer mentions the MC as a career point in the chart that could, easily enough be considered a life path. it doesn't mean "go be a banker because your mc indicates that." it can (and probably should) be more loosely interpreted as "your life path is to work with money." it's essentially the same, as i see it.

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posted June 07, 2015 09:57 PM            

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Originally posted by ReeseC:
Interesting concept. what can you tell about someone with their MC/IC axis when it falls in the 10th/4th house, with the Sun exact conjunct the MC?

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Any contact between the Sun and the MC is a big deal. 10th house deals with our environment (don't confuse the 10th house with your MC. The 10th house is a house, but the MC is a personal expression that deals with that reality and it can be influenced by another house as i mentioned before) while the 4th house deals with home stability (don't confuse IC with the 4th house either)

posted June 07, 2015 11:57 PM            

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Originally posted by aleenaxo:
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There are many different house systems that instead want to have equal degrees in each house, or other things, so that's why the MC isn't always the tenth house for those systems.

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posted June 08, 2015 12:24 AM            

Think of it as a linguistic effect or a bit of reductionism, rather than one which has taken the meaning of the Midheaven entirely off course.

We descend into matter in line with (from) the Midheaven, as if from 'on high' and in living out our potential express ourselves in line with the condition of the MC in our birth charts, as if returning what we learn/achieve 'on high' as if adding to the total knowledge and understanding of our place of origins.

This doesn't necessarily translate into 'career' alone, that is how we make a living, which very often is seen more in the condition of the 6th house.

posted June 08, 2015 06:35 AM            

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
Midheaven does not represent your "career". Its deeper than that.

Careers didn't always exist. Astrology is very ancient and 1000's of years ago there wasn't any demand to go to school, get some fancy diploma and fill out job applications.

The Midheaven represents our LIFE PATH. Our consciousness in the world around us and how we interact and absorb it. I can tell SO MUCH about someone just by looking at their MC/IC axis ALONE. Plus since i follow the whole house system, it will make it more interesting if their MC/IC axis falls in their 11th/5th house or 9th/3rd etc...

Any contacts to your Midheaven point or the planet/asteroid that falls in the same sign as your midheaven will have such an incredible impact on your life. I keep reading stuff like "they will influence the job you choose" and I always laugh. Its more like "They will influence your self-awareness and what you are here to bring to the world, and you will influence each others destiny". I'm speaking from life experiences. Many fateful moments occurs during these contacts.

The MC/IC axis is pure consciousness from the root (IC) to the fruit (MC). The Sun represents what impacts our self-esteem, but our MC represents the highest point of that self-esteem and exactly where it needs to shine.

The four angles (ASC&MC particularly) and the Sun gives me boundless info to who a person is, why they are here, what they aware of (ASC&MC) and what will give their character the burning productive energy they need along the way (Sun)

Its deeper than just a career you guys. The MC is your fingerprint on this world. Your paintbrush (MC) and your many different colors (IC)

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Thank you for this NYC, I can relate.

I feel it very deeply when someone's SUN touches my MC. I never forget them, and the influence they have on my consciousness is lasting, and intimate.

It is the intimacy of the connection that has always puzzled me when I read the career interpretations.

Perhaps its effect, rather than on career is more how we represent our purpose in the group, as a piece of the global family - humanity.

The thing that puzzles me now though, is, what is the North Node then? As this is what is usually held up as the "lifepath".

Is the MC the material purpose, and the NN the soul purpose?

Perhaps I struggle with this, as I have always struggled to define "soul".

posted June 08, 2015 06:43 AM            

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
Because its shows where that energy may lead the individual in their life. For example, If you're MC/IC axis is in the 11th/5th house, best believe that person will abandon all family traditions and form his own creative path (IC) for the betterment of his community (MC). Probably the lone wolf of the family. Though they may not express their true beliefs (IC in the 5th house traits)

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posted June 08, 2015 08:03 AM              

The Midheaven is who you want to be in the world and how you want to be seen. For most people, the career is the vehicle for that. But, it doesn't just end there.

With the Moon on my Midheaven, I have definitely been striving to be someone who is very caring and makes people feel comfortable enough to open up and I want to be seen that way. Now, in many instances, this can manifest very much outside of my career. It can come out just in how I interact with people, on a broad scale, and the impact I want to leave on them.

But, isn't your career the perfect vehicle for that? Let's not pretend that this isn't how we make the largest impact, in our everyday lives. Our career gives us our standing in the world, allows us to gauge our abilities, makes people see us in a certain way. And that all feeds the goals of the Midheaven.

I, too, came to a conclusion long ago that the Midheaven isn't just your job. But, to say it's not your job at all would be entirely missing the point. Let's not forget that Capricorn rules the Midheaven. Capricorn is about responsibility. And where do we have to be the most responsible? On the job.

So, it makes sense, to me.

posted June 08, 2015 09:08 AM              

If I am paying any attention at all to houses it still is that way.

posted June 08, 2015 10:28 AM            

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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
I think it definitely can be more than your career. But, to dismiss it as if it has nothing to do with your career is off-base, in my opinion.

The Midheaven is who you want to be in the world and how you want to be seen. For most people, the career is the vehicle for that. But, it doesn't just end there.

With the Moon on my Midheaven, I have definitely been striving to be someone who is very caring and makes people feel comfortable enough to open up and I want to be seen that way. Now, in many instances, this can manifest very much outside of my career. It can come out just in how I interact with people, on a broad scale, and the impact I want to leave on them.

But, isn't your career the perfect vehicle for that? Let's not pretend that this isn't how we make the largest impact, in our everyday lives. Our career gives us our standing in the world, allows us to gauge our abilities, makes people see us in a certain way. And that all feeds the goals of the Midheaven.

I, too, came to a conclusion long ago that the Midheaven isn't just your job. But, to say it's not your job at all would be entirely missing the point. Let's not forget that Capricorn rules the Midheaven. Capricorn is about responsibility. And where do we have to be the most responsible? On the job.

So, it makes sense, to me.

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posted June 08, 2015 10:31 AM            

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Originally posted by starmoon:
this is a good point. perhaps the OP wants to consider using charts that place the MC in other areas of the chart. different house systems will move the mc.

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I said that i follow the whole house system. The MC doesn't have to be in the 10th/4th house.

posted June 08, 2015 10:34 AM            

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Originally posted by aleenaxo:
Originally, the MC was the tenth house and the IC was the fourth house.

The houses were not determined in order (as in figuring out the 1st, then 2nd, then 3rd, etc.) but were determined by looking at the sign that was rising in the east for the first house. Then, the circle was cut in half so that the axis of the first/seventh house was made. THEN, the sign in the HIGHEST POINT IN THE SKY was used to cut the circle/chart vertically to create the tenth/fourth house axis. The tenth house cusp was made using the highest point in the sky. Then the chart was divided further. But the CARDINAL axis lines were determined first.

There are many different house systems that instead want to have equal degrees in each house, or other things, so that's why the MC isn't always the tenth house for those systems.

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