posted June 09, 2015 01:31 PM            

CafeAstrology says the soft aspects are more "glue"-like while others like Nadia Gilchrist of Sasstrology say that the trines and sextiles are weaker and have to occur in multiples to equal the "stickiness" of one hard aspect.

posted June 09, 2015 02:56 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
For marital/romantic, I noticed at least one hard + one soft in synastry + comp, statistically. To Sun Moon Venus or Mars.

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posted June 09, 2015 04:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
But let's say you have only one; let's say one couple has Saturn trine Venus and the other Saturn opposite Venus - which is more likely to stay together? Is the hard aspect corrosive overtime or "sticky" and karmic?

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I don't think it can be so neatly divided into these categories. My ex and his wife have a Venus-Saturn DW in hard aspect and they are happy and have been married for almost ten years now. There's a wide age difference between them. I don't know her, but my ex is one of the most aware and evolved people I know.

Hard Venus-Saturn aspects don't necessarily mean a corrosive or dysfunctional relationship over time. It can mean a wide age difference between the couple or life circumstances such as dealing with illness or loss of a child.

The actor, Patrick Swayze, and his wife, had a Venus (her) square Saturn (him) in synastry, and a Mars (him) square Saturn (her). They loved each other deeply and were together until he died of pancreatic (?) cancer.

posted June 09, 2015 04:19 PM            

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Originally posted by peony:
I don't think it can be so neatly divided into these categories. My ex and his wife have a Venus-Saturn DW in hard aspect and they are happy and have been married for almost ten years now. There's a wide age difference between them. I don't know her, but my ex is one of the most aware and evolved people I know.

Hard Venus-Saturn aspects don't necessarily mean a corrosive or dysfunctional relationship over time. It can mean a wide age difference between the couple or life circumstances such as dealing with illness or loss of a child.

The actor, Patrick Swayze, and his wife, had a Venus (her) square Saturn (him) in synastry, and a Mars (him) square Saturn (her). They loved each other deeply and were together until he died of pancreatic (?) cancer.

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Oh. So an unhappy ending then

posted June 09, 2015 05:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
So which are more binding; sextiles and trines between personal planets and Saturn, or the hard aspects (opposition, conjunction and square)?

CafeAstrology says the soft aspects are more "glue"-like while others like Nadia Gilchrist of Sasstrology say that the trines and sextiles are weaker and have to occur in multiples to equal the "stickiness" of one hard aspect.

What are your opinions?

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I agree with Nadia. She's exactly right about softer synastry aspects needing multiples usually to equal the effect of a conjunction, for example.

In synastry, the strongest bonds are created by parallels and conjunctions. Squares, oppositions, and parallels also. However, the principle goes the other way with the latter group if it is Mars-Saturn, Saturn-Pluto. For many people those drive you away instead of enhancing bonding between people.

posted June 09, 2015 08:37 PM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
Kannon, I'd be interested to know about juno conjunct saturn in synastry. i know it's difficult to make a judgment based on a single aspect. incidentally this sits next to a moon/moon conj.
would juno/saturn be binding or a relationship that would struggle to take off?

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The only asteroid I include in my practice is Chiron. Therefore I have no opinion on this, except to say a single synastry interaspect does not determine the course or outcome of any relationship.

posted June 09, 2015 08:38 PM            

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The actor, Patrick Swayze, and his wife, had a Venus (her) square Saturn (him) in synastry, and a Mars (him) square Saturn (her). They loved each other deeply and were together until he died of pancreatic (?) cancer.

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posted June 09, 2015 08:39 PM            

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Originally posted by LibraGirl92:
i am just curious what about saturn conjunct saturn? is that considered a strong bind?

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No. It only says you were born within months of each other. If it is very close, it can be considered helpful, but in no way is it binding. I normally don't count this interaspect in synastries unless it is very tight, and only for half a point.

posted June 09, 2015 09:17 PM            

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Originally posted by stillatlarge:

The actor, Patrick Swayze, and his wife, had a Venus (her) square Saturn (him) in synastry, and a Mars (him) square Saturn (her). They loved each other deeply and were together until he died of pancreatic (?) cancer.

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Not so according to what's come out in recent months. Sounds like it was really bad at the end between them and the way she's treated his family, mother especially, who he absolutely adored, makes me believe it.

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Do you have a link?

posted June 09, 2015 09:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Well if you see it like that EVERY relationship has an unhappy ending; either it breaks apart or one person dies earlier than the other one.

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Exactly!

posted June 09, 2015 10:06 PM            

Stronger than crazy glue, welds, cement...

Survives the couples divorce, second, third breakups, marriages to others, kids, family, friends begging them not to get back together...

Ugh!

There simply is no escape. Its the event horizon of a black hole. All you can do is adjust your orbit and accept it.

posted June 09, 2015 11:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Well if you see it like that EVERY relationship has an unhappy ending; either it breaks apart or one person dies earlier than the other one.

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posted June 10, 2015 07:07 AM            

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Originally posted by stillatlarge:
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The actor, Patrick Swayze, and his wife, had a Venus (her) square Saturn (him) in synastry, and a Mars (him) square Saturn (her). They loved each other deeply and were together until he died of pancreatic (?) cancer.

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A few things:

I am really skeptical that they were unhappily married. I read her story of what it was like to lose your life partner a few years ago, and I doubt you could fake that kind of graphic, raw emotion.
Also, they were a Hollywood, childless couple. If they were really unhappy, they would have just gotten a divorce. I mean, childless couples are statistically happier precisely because those that aren't just get divorced.
Money brings out the worst in people, so hopefully they (her and his mother) can resolve the dispute between them which no doubt amounts to this.

posted June 10, 2015 08:02 AM            

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Originally posted by LibraGirl92:
Ah okay how about a sun trine saturn is that a strong bind? I am new to all this and I had this with my ex J

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posted June 10, 2015 08:39 AM            

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Aquacheeka,

My Venus is conjunct my husband's Saturn, 1 degree orb.

Not sure, but I think this is the link that held us together through many a Uranian argument (my Uranus squares my DSC, his sun, and his Uranus!)

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posted June 10, 2015 09:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
But let's say you have only one; let's say one couple has Saturn trine Venus and the other Saturn opposite Venus - which is more likely to stay together? Is the hard aspect corrosive overtime or "sticky" and karmic?

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