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Plutonian_Gal8
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posted June 13, 2015 03:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plutonian_Gal8     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Earlier this year, I was fortunate to have Kannon rectify my chart (He's remarkable as many of you already know) and it's been great to dissect my true chart.

My vent is obvious; Saturn in the 11th house is that gut punch I could never understand until the rectification. It's in my core to do some humane work in my lifetime. I truly desire this (Sun Aquarius) but naturally I better understand why I've battled with gaining success in 11H matters my whole life. And what amazes me is, knowing I'm in my own way (Sun Sq Saturn)

Currently, T-Saturn is retrograding and it's danced backwards into my 11H again. Of course this means I've had my Saturn Return finish up quite recently. I'm feeling the heaviness all over again, and it will just about hit my natal Chiron in opposition again before going direct

When I was a teenager, I truly attracted many personalities. I was fairly popular but never wanted to be. I preferred the more "nerdy" persons over the superlative persons. Torn. It's like having all the popular ppl who were full of themselves, look at me like I was crazy for veering off to the ppl I felt had substance and were more matured for us to be so young. I rubbed a lot of ppl wrong because they took my standoffish attitude severely personal. I always wanted to be "at home" and had to be forced to go outside and/or do things I didn't want to do (4H Ruler in the 4H)So everyone addresses me now as way too introverted. More like a RECLUSE because frankly I have enormous peace staying home. Understanding my natal Saturn adding to my seclusion really plants me in a solitary way of living. I look back and reflect on how I blocked myself from great experiences as a teen. Had a desire to contribute to things of importance in school groups, but feared rejection or I didn't step out there and try. I always wondered why I had my nose up to college life and sororities, but secretly envied the "bonding" aspect of it. To me I didn't respect the process it took to belong and frankly many females showed such arrogance and superficiality. But, I've learned there are some sororities and organizations that aren't about that. Yet, I lumped them ALL together. So even now, I got invited to a girl's sleepover (women I really do not know) and I said yes to force myself to get out there! But I can honestly say every single day the past week I've had anxiety about going. I've plotted on how to lie to get myself out of it. I fear that I will rub a few ppl wrong because I know how I am. I won't finesse my personality to "fit in" and I never will. So being myself, means I'll as usual, risk causing tensions. I can only hope, that these women will have more in common with me than not. It's just so very interesting to stare at my TRUE chart and see exactly who I am and always have been. I'm questioning my Saturn Return now; have I really learned anything to help me move forward? Or is this retrograde to blame on my anxiety again? Doing the best that I can.

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Randall
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posted June 14, 2015 10:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump!

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fireopal09
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posted June 16, 2015 09:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fireopal09     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Libran Sun conjunct Uranus with 11H Cancerian Saturn conjuncting my 10H or 11H South Node ,depending if you use Mean or True. Dick move from the multiverse. I totally get your post.

Saturn keeps us plugging away. Being a practical humanitarian might be the way to go.

Saturn rules my 5th house and Uranus rules my 6th. I worked with kids for over a decade and my favorite job was with Head Start in Alaska. Cancer rules my 11th House. This all is child and work related.

My Saturn return led me to leaving my ex fiance, meeting my now ex husband, and growing my child. It is not all bad.

Just let your freak flag fly. Always.

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posted June 19, 2015 06:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plutonian_Gal8     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by fireopal09:
Libran Sun conjunct Uranus with 11H Cancerian Saturn conjuncting my 10H or 11H South Node ,depending if you use Mean or True. Dick move from the multiverse. I totally get your post.

Saturn keeps us plugging away. Being a practical humanitarian might be the way to go.

Saturn rules my 5th house and Uranus rules my 6th. I worked with kids for over a decade and my favorite job was with Head Start in Alaska. Cancer rules my 11th House. This all is child and work related.

My Saturn return led me to leaving my ex fiance, meeting my now ex husband, and growing my child. It is not all bad.

Just let your freak flag fly. Always.


Awesome stuff! "Just let your freak flag fly. Always." Get ready world!!!

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posted June 20, 2015 03:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe I should have my birth time verified too? Hmmmmm...

Nevertheless I would like to see the new chart

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Plutonian_Gal8
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posted June 20, 2015 04:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plutonian_Gal8     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Aries23Degrees

Here goes it!

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EmGem
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posted June 20, 2015 05:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll post more later but just quickly, what do you mean rectified chart?? are charts generally non-rectified?

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posted June 20, 2015 06:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plutonian_Gal8     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
An Astrologer experienced in chart rectification utilizes progressions, transits, solar arcs etc. to solidify your birth time. It's done based upon particular past events (substantial) I was told the wrong birth time from a family member, and of course there's no documented time on my BC. Once I experienced my Saturn return last year that's when I finally knew my chart was incorrect. It didn't resonate properly, at all.


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I'll post more later but just quickly, what do you mean rectified chart?? are charts generally non-rectified?

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posted June 20, 2015 09:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn on the 11t house cusp conjunct Mars.

Neptune in the 1st house.

Moon in Aries in the 4th house

Can you say "hermit" much???

Saturn in 11th wants serious friendships and associations. Has difficulties with small talk and flighty relations.

Also, this is the area of life where volcanic eruptions are likely- standoffs, disagreements, break-offs in friendships and disagreements about principles etc.

Saturn can hold Mars back. But not forever. The accumulated tension often erupts and drama ensues etc.

Saturn in 11th also suggests that you are strict about whom you associate with(11th). For anyone to be a part of your "clique", they need to share your principles. And this is not negotiable(Saturn).

Neptune in 1st is sensitive and receptive; often wanting to be alone and into themselves. They are perfectly happy being on their own as they often feel and are little understood by the world outside them.

Moon in 4th wants a sense of family and belonging- which is difficult to describe as it is not always a tangible thing.

This need to 'belong' drives them from place to place, people to people, for that one good feeling- that incontrovertible thing that hammers it home that "I belong here" etc.

Until then,the Moon in 4th will bounce around endlessly.

Your sense of peace(4th)is disrupted by Venus: People often want you to behave and be "different" from whom you are.

Most people with this aspect often had a Mom who always had room for visitors in her house.

Guests were very important and any domestic atmosphere was "disguised" in order to please the visitors etc.

This was the Mom who took out the best china for the guests but never let the family use it "capriciously"

Kids with this aspect either do the same as their early environment suggests; please others at the expense of their own happiness(Venus-Moon square).

Holding the opinions of others far above the opinion they have of themselves etc.

Others feel resentful of social obligations that they have to make; being uncomfortable in frivolous atmospheres that are all about exchanging niceties and building "good neighbor relations" etc. They just don't like the pretense of all that.

Also,with Sun in 2nd(your sense of security) is disrupted by Saturn.

The aspect of Saturn to Sun often suggests a father figure whom struggled with confidence issues or felt that they had to push that much harder in order for their goals to be realized.

The father may have "sucked up" to those that he saw as important and did all he could to impress them. Or was perhaps working under the thumb of someone extremely demanding(square Saturn).

Often this is also translated to the child who often learns criticism,feeling "less than" at an early age.

And the willful expression of their own goals(Sun)becomes thwarted by the fear of disapproval or lack of support from others the person deems very important/ influential(square Saturn)

Shyness often results in this case as the individual cannot find a way to do away with the guilt that comes from just being themselves(Sun square Saturn).

The child may also learn early on about hierarchy,positions of authority and levels of importance etc.

So on one end,they may dutifully want to climb to the top- often with what they feel is great effort due to challenges or obstacles(Saturn square).

Or their ego learns to be resentful or bitter about "the authority" etc. These guys will not like to be told what to do by the powers that be and often have stand-offs with people tasked to manage them.

The irony is of-course,that they can be very severe managers themselves when leading others:Often expecting excellence and being quick to criticize(even demoralize)if that "perfect" standard is not realized

If you feel like cancelling.Do that.Go for the feeling that brings you the most "ease". No judgment really.

So sure you may be a little awkward now,but Saturn does ease up as you build more confidence and become aware of your own worth(Sun in 2nd) when older.

The key here is developing ones self-esteem really as suggested by your Sun in 2nd.

I am quite curious about this big realization that you had with your Saturn return that your chart positions were "off".

What was it exactly?If you don't mind sharing?

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posted June 21, 2015 08:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plutonian_Gal8     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aries23Degrees

*As always you amaze me with how concise you break down interpretations. I never have to ask further questions to "pull" details out of you! You lay things out in a way I can fully understand and receive.


To answer your question, initially it was believed my natal Saturn resided in the 10H. As an amateur in astrology I had yet to sit still and thoroughly absorb how my chart coincided with the present events, or how I was "feeling" throughout the transits, about 2 years ago. I took notice that the focal point of my life was fixation on my legacy in life. There was a simmering energy going on with me about desiring more cultured friendships and being active in my community and I was self-evaluating my life up to this point; feeling like I was ready to push myself out there into the world and get involved. I've been extremely choosy with friendships my whole life and I've just dropped ppl with so much ease and let them fade out. I would hold onto to some "friends" if they were still good people, or benefited me in some kind of way. But in the past 2-3yrs I grew a huge intolerance to accept friends as is because I was missing that real connection I lacked ALL THIS TIME. I do indeed need persons who are very much like myself; friends who'll support and even have a common thread with me on my humanitarian goals. Frankly I primarily attract many Capricorns for obvious reasons. And honestly I was still a tad confused at first because I didn't know what would make a Saturn Return so unique, until I put it out there on LL that my chart just didn't add up.

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posted June 21, 2015 09:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plutonian_Gal8     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BTW: I did attend the sleepover I was invited to. Up to the point of getting into their vehicle I was still in serious regret. Ultimately I had a good time. There was a moment where I somewhat bonded with the birthday girl - I could always tell that she really wants to befriend me. Everyone was very receptive of me. I've always known how to be lively and draw people in but the reality is that facet of me is very fleeting and hard to "keep up with" at this stage of my life. I'm much more serious, focused and I can't do the pretense of grinning and bearing it (Right Aries23Degrees?) I am a recluse and I say it time and time again, I love it! But if I must get out there and "belong", fulfill my dreams, it has to be from an honest place for me. I have to genuinely get excited about it and enjoy it.


The reality is that I returned home knowing full well that they are not the kind of persons I could truly befriend and carry on an authentic friendship with. It was simply a good night of laughs and food. Stepping out of my comfort zone, was the gist of it.

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posted June 21, 2015 11:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow!!! bravo to you.

I went through my Saturn return in 2013. I felt that I needed a career that I can be more passionate about.

I didn't like the job that I had and when the contract came to an end, I really felt it time to leave.

It was really like a huge weight lifted and I don't regret leaving that job.

Now nataly my Saturn is in 7th??? But with the return, I felt the pressure hit on my career. I didn't feel any strong need to couple up. Hmmmm...

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posted June 23, 2015 09:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 4lifephrases     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for lovely descriptions of Saturn in 11th house.

As for spending more time with yourself, I think it is because until you know yourself properly it is very difficult to be in a group. I think it is a great confidence - that you wouldn't merge or fit in with others. It is simple thing but it is very difficult like if you are successful and better than others in some scenario. I would still try to make other person secure.

I can just say it is very true. I do have lots of groups but I would really like which makes sense to me. I still have tendency to very openly love unconditionally or do not judge. Most of the time they cheat or say bad things to me afterwards. I think that has made me realize to be extremely choosy. My teeange friends/ bullies don't matter as I have achieved more than them and I do not think they are worth the time as I am looking for now very specific type of people to relate on day to day life. Not liking authority here.Bringing out china is so interesting! so true for me.

As for having group I had started something which I was interested but it didn't work out however I have realized I have been given re - opportunity where I can perhaps lead so I would say hang on and hopefully things would change. (Sag ASc)

Well, I am really hoping that Saturn gives me some fruit for all the hard work I have put over last 7 years and also I am hoping for Jupiter Transits. (Sorry but I guess I am just like awaiting, good times you know.) I hope you the same as it might be while Jupiter to come but it is better that way than the other way I suppose.

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