posted June 25, 2015 03:03 PM            

I'll go with mine. Scorpio moon and Aries Saturn.

I am not fully happy with my moon because expressing my feelings can be very challenging especially since im an aquarius. My emotions are so intense and everything feels heavy. I am also very familiar with jealously, obsession, and possessiveness. Sometimes i wish my moon would be more easy going ( like Libra moon!!) and not as intimidating as this. On the other hand I do like being intense and ''deep''. Sometimes getting lost in my feelings feels safe. But thats just me...

And for Saturn in Aries... Aries is the first sign so it feels like its more challenging. Aries is identity, confidence, courage, and independence. Having all of those traits challenged is difficult, but so is any other saturn placement I guess.

What planets do you have in fall?

posted June 25, 2015 05:12 PM            

Apparently, what I have is considered "mutual reception". I don't know if it's supposed to compensate or worsen my placements.

posted June 25, 2015 06:17 PM            

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Originally posted by CosmiqPhuz:
Not sure if "fall" and "detriment" are different things, but I have my Mars in Libra and Venus in Scorpio. It would be nice to see how they'd play out if they were switched, though.

Apparently, what I have is considered "mutual reception". I don't know if it's supposed to compensate or worsen my placements.

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thats interesting. I think mutual reception wouldn't worsen the placements. I just looked it up and it says that that the planets would want to guide each other.

and fall and detriment are not the same. it goes like this;

posted June 25, 2015 06:31 PM            

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Originally posted by goddessinworld:
thats interesting. I think mutual reception wouldn't worsen the placements. I just looked it up and it says that that the planets would want to guide each other.

and fall and detriment are not the same. it goes like this;

domicile > exalted > detriment > fall

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That's good to know. If mutual reception is a good thing, I guess my planets in fall aren't as bad, huh?

Well, I've got a soft romantic sign in Mars and a hard aggressive sign in Venus. And I feel it. Kinda sucks sometimes. Oh well, they can be nice too.

posted June 25, 2015 09:27 PM            

Fall planets are like a squeaky bike. They don't work well. Planets in the Home or Exalation are like a fancy sports car. It looks glam and feels good lol

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posted June 26, 2015 07:52 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Welcome Goddess

Fall planets are like a squeaky bike. They don't work well. Planets in the Home or Exalation are like a fancy sports car. It looks glam and feels good lol

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posted June 26, 2015 07:57 AM            

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Originally posted by shyberry:
Same, my dear. I have Saturn in Aries, badly aspected, AND it's peregrine. I have little to no self-control because I try too hard to overcome the "shyness" that Saturn presents in my fifth house. I ignore all sorts of responsibilities unless it deals directly with what I'm really interested in. In other words: I'm a loser lol.

It's nothing to get bummed about, though. Even the so called "worst" placements can be a blessing in disguise.

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posted July 16, 2015 08:34 PM            

Tho my sun is in the first house, I am a humble person. Libra is someone who wants to share themselves so the Sun isn't comfortable here because the shine isn't solely on him.

I know who I am as a person and Im complete without another, but you do see are best when we are in a happy relationship. I'm very ambitious, my mars and sun are in the first. But I have noticed each time I was in love, I was brimming. It was nice to have a girlfriend while playing football, it made me push harder just because of the extra energy you feel from being in love.

But my best relationship is the one I have with me. With my soul, my character, my integrity. All of which I would never give up on.

posted July 17, 2015 02:49 AM            

Fall and detriment at the same time. Just a little over 1° past Algol. And unless you roll with crazy 10° orbs, unaspected.

Most evenings, my Mars can be found slipping Venus's shackles and sneaking out of his cell past Medusa's watchful gaze to go to the cliff where he tosses messages in bottles out to the sea. Occasionally, he manages to miss the rocks below and not shatter his dreams of freedom. Hey, a planet can dream, right?

posted July 17, 2015 03:40 AM            

Do not fear, should you have planets in fall or debilitation.

Debilitated, fall and other weak planets simply means that they offer inner growth,

while exalted and other strong planets offer outer growth.

Outer growth may look positive to others in materialistic manners, but if you really think about it, inner growth is as important as outer growth. It becomes painful or may seem negative, ONLY WHEN YOU LOOK TO GAIN SOMETHING THAT IS AGAINST WHAT THE DEBILITATED OR EXALTED PLANET OFFERS.

posted July 17, 2015 08:07 AM            

Along with Jupiter quincunx my Taurus ASC.

I've struggled with my self-esteem and cofidence as a female since I was a very youn girl.

I get told I'm beautiful every day by many people & I even think I'm beautiful most of the time, but sometimes, I feel extremely low and wortless.

posted July 17, 2015 09:04 AM            

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Hello goddessinworld! Welcome to LL

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posted July 17, 2015 09:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
Fellow students of the Astrology

Do not fear, should you have planets in fall or debilitation.

Debilitated, fall and other weak planets simply means that they offer inner growth,

while exalted and other strong planets offer outer growth.

Outer growth may look positive to others in materialistic manners, but if you really think about it, inner growth is as important as outer growth. It becomes painful or may seem negative, ONLY WHEN YOU LOOK TO GAIN SOMETHING THAT IS AGAINST WHAT THE DEBILITATED OR EXALTED PLANET OFFERS.

Please remember, it is the house placement which determines whether exalted or debilitated planets would struggle or not, and that everything looks to balance itself out at the end.

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What do you base that on? Debilitated planets are unconformable because the sign is unsuited to function with the planet. Good aspects can alleviate debilitation but not so much that the debilitated sign will feel comfortable. House placements have secondary importance to aspects. Debilitation by house placement does not take away from an exalted planets beneficence. It will mean the energy is somewhat stifled because it is not being used to it's full potential.

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I only have my mercury in fall, in 7th. I have every kind of aspect to my mercury, plus jupiter in Sag deposits it. My pursuit of knowledge makes me very happy, and my mercury works for me. Saturn conjunct mercury cleans up jupiter square mercury's mess, jupiter keeps me optimistic about saturn's criticisms. Chiron opposition helps neptune sextile mercury by giving a creative and unique flair to my writing. Mercury trine pluto heightens my already amazing intuition. NN in 3rd house makes writing grow my soul. I love my mercury position. I just wish I didn't speak so quietly....

posted July 17, 2015 10:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Iced8Ace:
What do you base that on? Debilitated planets are unconformable because the sign is unsuited to function with the planet. Good aspects can alleviate debilitation but not so much that the debilitated sign will feel comfortable. House placements have secondary importance to aspects. Debilitation by house placement does not take away from an exalted planets beneficence. It will mean the energy is somewhat stifled because it is not being used to it's full potential.

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I only have my mercury in fall, in 7th. I have every kind of aspect to my mercury, plus jupiter in Sag deposits it. My pursuit of knowledge makes me very happy, and my mercury works for me. Saturn conjunct mercury cleans up jupiter square mercury's mess, jupiter keeps me optimistic about saturn's criticisms. Chiron opposition helps neptune sextile mercury by giving a creative and unique flair to my writing. Mercury trine pluto heightens my already amazing intuition. NN in 3rd house makes writing grow my soul. I love my mercury position. I just wish I didn't speak so quietly....

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The statement is based on the fact that constellations serve very important roles. One can immediately realize that empty houses without planets in natal charts also serve as important factors too.

Your statement 'House placements have secondary importance to aspects', is highly debatable. I mean, I've seen too many Astrology students who underestimated the importance of the house placements, and as a result, understanding their natal chart, as well as others' charts, wrong. I've come across certain people who argued that their Ascendant is in 12th house. I think most astrologers would agree that Ascendant represents the constellation that was rising at one's birth time.

But yes, natives can find debilitated planets 'uncomfortable'. Wherever the planet is found in charts, it is the constellation that determines what sign the planet is.

In fact, back in the days, astrologers didn't even use signs as we know today (Aries, Taurus, etc). They simply only looked at the constellations. (House 1, House 2, etc)

Anyways in theory, most planets look to exert its energy outwards, but they are sometimes restricted by the constellations' effects and rules. In this scenario, the planet finds itself adjusting to the constellation(Inner growth), but finds itself uncomfortable in the process, because they don't want to. For example, Sun wants to express itself. Mars wants to fight and so on.

But once again, inner growth is as important as outer growth.
I've met few people who had expressive planets in their first house. Well, let's just say their aggressive nature destroyed and continues to destroy their own reputation and fortune.

posted July 18, 2015 09:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
Fellow students of the Astrology

Do not fear, should you have planets in fall or debilitation.

Debilitated, fall and other weak planets simply means that they offer inner growth,

while exalted and other strong planets offer outer growth.

Outer growth may look positive to others in materialistic manners, but if you really think about it, inner growth is as important as outer growth. It becomes painful or may seem negative, ONLY WHEN YOU LOOK TO GAIN SOMETHING THAT IS AGAINST WHAT THE DEBILITATED OR EXALTED PLANET OFFERS.

Please remember, it is the house placement which determines whether exalted or debilitated planets would struggle or not, and that everything looks to balance itself out at the end.

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I really appreciated what you said.
I am always trying to find silver linings in the seeming clouds of our charts. Otherwise what's the point? we would just be using astrology to get depressed...

posted July 18, 2015 11:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
The statement is based on the fact that constellations serve very important roles. One can immediately realize that empty houses without planets in natal charts also serve as important factors too.

Your statement 'House placements have secondary importance to aspects', is highly debatable. I mean, I've seen too many Astrology students who underestimated the importance of the house placements, and as a result, understanding their natal chart, as well as others' charts, wrong. I've come across certain people who argued that their Ascendant is in 12th house. I think most astrologers would agree that Ascendant represents the constellation that was rising at one's birth time.

But yes, natives can find debilitated planets 'uncomfortable'. Wherever the planet is found in charts, it is the constellation that determines what sign the planet is.

In fact, back in the days, astrologers didn't even use signs as we know today (Aries, Taurus, etc). They simply only looked at the constellations. (House 1, House 2, etc)

Anyways in theory, most planets look to exert its energy outwards, but they are sometimes restricted by the constellations' effects and rules. In this scenario, the planet finds itself adjusting to the constellation(Inner growth), but finds itself uncomfortable in the process, because they don't want to. For example, Sun wants to express itself. Mars wants to fight and so on.

But once again, inner growth is as important as outer growth.
I've met few people who had expressive planets in their first house. Well, let's just say their aggressive nature destroyed and continues to destroy their own reputation and fortune.

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I don't appreciate you foisting knowledge on me that's very common.... you are dumbing down the discussion. Now I have to explain.

Aspects can alter how a planet expresses itself. House placements are more so where the planet expresses itself. That's how I view it, so aspects need more attention. If you'd like me to go into depth, I can.

Empty houses are not very important unless activated by transit. Angular houses are the exception. The sign on a house cusp conveys how the matters of that house are governed. If say, Pisces is on the 6th house cusp, then it is an unfortunate position for the planets that reside in the 6th house because Pisces is unable to govern the 6th house to it's highest potential. The above is a generality of course, as the whole chart needs to be considered.

Yes... and then astrologers decided that the planets are important too because they activate the houses.

Where have you learned detriment and fall planets confer inner growth? I think you're confusing that with retrograde planets? Restrictions don't come in the form of the sign but where the sign is placed!

posted July 19, 2015 12:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
I really appreciated what you said.
I am always trying to find silver linings in the seeming clouds of our charts. Otherwise what's the point? we would just be using astrology to get depressed...

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Sorry if I'm the gloomy one!

posted July 19, 2015 12:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Iced8Ace:
Sorry if I'm the gloomy one!

Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses. If you're motivated to be your best self, then astrology doesn't really matter.

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Astrology is a great tool for self knowledge and actualization.

I think you are missing the point Venusincap89 is making. Which is that in every cloud, there is a silver lining, and the job of a great astrologer is to find those silver linings. If someone came to you with a chart presenting squares and oppositions and lots of planets in falls or debilitation, how would you be able to help them if you only focused on the negativity and the weaknesses these planets are supposed to foster? If you coudn't find a way for them to utilize these forces for growth, what use would astrology be?

posted July 19, 2015 01:29 AM            

Fall being the worse of the two.

I have Venus in Virgo (fall!)... and it's a drag.

Service and expectations, with no (natural) inclination

toward acceptance.

One must work for it.

Or toward it.

-.-

I like Pisces Venus ... so much ease within that placement.

posted July 19, 2015 03:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Astrology is a great tool for self knowledge and actualization.

I think you are missing the point Venusincap89 is making. Which is that in every cloud, there is a silver lining, and the job of a great astrologer is to find those silver linings. If someone came to you with a chart presenting squares and oppositions and lots of planets in falls or debilitation, how would you be able to help them if you only focused on the negativity and the weaknesses these planets are supposed to foster? If you coudn't find a way for them to utilize these forces for growth, what use would astrology be?

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I'm not missing the point, I know VenusinCap89 wants to come off as optimistic. Being optimistic at the price of obtaining solid facts can be fatal.

I would tell someone the good and the bad, no matter the aspects or house position. I don't read charts the way I describe how to study astrology. You have to know the rules before you can offer advice. Go on, ask me for advice. Astrology is a belief and it won't be practical in every regard. How much you let it cap your potential is up to you. Doing more work can only benefit yourself.

I think astrology is a good tool for analysing what you have to work with. If you don't think you can better yourself because of a belief, then that belief is hindering you rather than aiding you. You should get rid of it then.