posted June 26, 2015 01:19 AM            

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Originally posted by appleberry:
Moving to "2.0"

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Just asking for future reference but isn't asking about the 2015 Elections asking about a special event (thus fulfilling the description for Horary and Event Astrology)? Or is it only for personal events? Even if it isn't in it's proper area, wouldn't it fit better in Astrology 2.0?

posted June 26, 2015 07:48 AM            

It does border a couple of forums so it can rest here and see which way it goes

Welcome to LLC 2.0!!

posted June 26, 2015 06:09 PM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
The post appears to have more of a conversational tone than a questioning one.

It does border a couple of forums so it can rest here and see which way it goes

Welcome to LLC 2.0!!

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posted June 26, 2015 06:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
If you want to post the Event Chart, you can start another thread there.

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posted June 26, 2015 06:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
If you're going to post charts of the candidates, then I can move it to Astrology 2.0 instead.

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posted June 26, 2015 06:50 PM            

I included Asteroid Fortuna because I remember seeing someone use it for the British Elections, and felt it may be useful.

Here is also the Solar Return Chart for Justin Trudeau (fixed because the date Astrodienst used was a year off):

Here is his Lunar Return for the time of the Election:

His Progressed Chart during that time:

posted June 26, 2015 08:45 PM            

What you could do is see if you can get a chart for the date of the party's founding. Then take a look at how empowered/energized it seems to be in terms of transits. Progressions, of course, depend on having a a particular time.

I see on wikipedia that the NDP was founded 3 August 1961 in Ottawa. Times of day for such group acts are generally between about 11 AM at earlist and 8 PM at latest. So...

3 August 1961
for 17:00 for approximating planet pos.
[UTC -4:00/ summer EDST observed 28 April - 27 Oct]
Ottawa, CANADA [45N25, 75W41]

Time ranges would point most strongly to signs of Libra through Sagittarius on the Asc, but could be earlier signs or even Cap or Aqua. I'll use mid-Sag.

Pluto will transit contra-parallel this chart's natal Mercury-Venus, which is strong for its message and putting forward its values. Pluto will also be parallel this chart's natal Jupiter, which add tremendously to power to grow and include more voters, but will also be even more closely parallel natal Saturn, so there will be limited resources with which to do it.

Little if any help from Uranus.

Neptune transits opposite its natal Pluto, not helpful; may be leading itself on a bit about its ability this time around.

However, Pluto is also trine the natal Moon position. This makes a grand trine of transiting Jupiter mid-Virgo + transiting Pluto mid-Cap both trine to natal Moon mid-Taurus.

Overall, looks set up for some progress. I can't be any more specific than that since I don't actually have a chart, but am working with planet positions narrowed to the middle third or so of the day.

posted June 27, 2015 12:08 AM            

One may want to add Mulcair's and Harper's chart as well. I'm not sure what the Conservative's chart looks like.

I keep on hearing Harper's ship is sinking and many MP's are bailing. There is too much scandal there.

It appears that the Canadian's have lost confidence with the Liberals. They are third. I can't see Trudeau becoming Prime Minister. Maybe a long time from now, but not this year.

The NDP? I don't know what is going on there. In 2011, they had a great run and Layton lead the way, but we still ended up with a Conservative majority gov't.

I find the election hard to call really. Something could happen like it did in Alberta - PC gov't for 44 years and the last election, we voted in an NDP gov't. From extremely right to extremely left. Pigs flew on May 5th and Mulcair/Federals were elated.

Maybe a horary chart needs to be drawn up and a chart for election day.......to check what is going on.

I doubt Harper and company would ever leave their command and dread another Conservative majority govt.

posted June 27, 2015 04:57 AM            

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Originally posted by TheTruthIsTheWay11:
Here is the Natal Chart for Justin Trudeau (Liberal candidate) and the Transits for Election Day:

Anything in any of these Charts that show anything significant?

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Now that I know his moon is in Aries I like him a lot less... that's way too impulsive for someone who has to make big decisions.

posted June 28, 2015 12:45 AM            

I personally don't follow politics (even though I'm from Canada), but hopefully people don't elect him just because he's Pierre Trudeau's son. A lot of people tend to do that more than they realize.

posted June 30, 2015 02:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Sagical:
Ohhhhhhhh, this is interesting now. Canadian politics.

One may want to add Mulcair's and Harper's chart as well. I'm not sure what the Conservative's chart looks like.

I keep on hearing Harper's ship is sinking and many MP's are bailing. There is too much scandal there.

It appears that the Canadian's have lost confidence with the Liberals. They are third. I can't see Trudeau becoming Prime Minister. Maybe a long time from now, but not this year.

The NDP? I don't know what is going on there. In 2011, they had a great run and Layton lead the way, but we still ended up with a Conservative majority gov't.

I find the election hard to call really. Something could happen like it did in Alberta - PC gov't for 44 years and the last election, we voted in an NDP gov't. From extremely right to extremely left. Pigs flew on May 5th and Mulcair/Federals were elated.

Maybe a horary chart needs to be drawn up and a chart for election day.......to check what is going on.

I doubt Harper and company would ever leave their command and dread another Conservative majority govt.

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I planned on doing that but didn't have any time before I went to my uncle's cottage for the past few days. I'll start adding them now.

Yes, people are tired of Harper. Even if there weren't any scandals, I don't think what he has done would be enough for him to get elected again. He seems too bland as a Prime Minister. Even some of my Conservative-leaning friends say they want to vote for another party this Election.

I'm actually hoping the NDP get in. Thomas Mulcair is fantastic. Even in the work he has done outside of Politics. His views make the most sense, and cater to the desires of people. He's in favour of Election Reform (so are the Liberals and Green Party), he wants to increase the minimum wage to $15, he opposes Bill C-51 and the Keystone XL Pipeline, he wants a higher corporate tax rate and to remove the influence of money from politics. I could go on, but to me if it's the choice between Liberals and the NDP (Conservatives are automatically out of my mind because I'm Left-Wing), the NDP are getting my vote. I actually might even volunteer for them.

posted June 30, 2015 02:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:

Now that I know his moon is in Aries I like him a lot less... that's way too impulsive for someone who has to make big decisions.

And fwiw it's not prejudicial! I'm not sure I'd want a fellow Pisces mooner to get such a crucial position either because I know how much time we spend daydreaming.

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It's not fair to use a single aspect to come to that conclusion. Then again, I'm an Aries Moon and want to be a Politician (but I also have a Saturn conjunction, both in the 10th House).

Actually though, some very successful people were Aries Moons. William Lyon Mackenzie King, arguably the greatest Prime Minister of Canada, had an Aries Moon. Impulse can actually be a good thing, especially when it comes time to making quick decisions. Impulse doesn't always lead to a reckless decision. It can, if not kept in check, but if coupled with logic it can allow someone to make good choices, really fast. Maybe that's just my bias though.

posted June 30, 2015 02:39 AM            

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Originally posted by Solar_Leo_Queen:
Well, Justin Trudeau's SR ascendant is conjunct his natal MC. I'm pretty sure next year is gonna be extremely good for his career. He may appeal more to the people and this may get him a lot of votes.

I personally don't follow politics (even though I'm from Canada), but hopefully people don't elect him just because he's Pierre Trudeau's son. A lot of people tend to do that more than they realize.

Btw, you can change his SR to 2014 by going back to the main page for extended selection chart. When you get there, scroll down to the option, "start date for charts", and modify the date there.

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posted June 30, 2015 02:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
I'm not Canadian and don't follow its politics, but ...

What you could do is see if you can get a chart for the date of the party's founding. Then take a look at how empowered/energized it seems to be in terms of transits. Progressions, of course, depend on having a a particular time.

I see on wikipedia that the NDP was founded 3 August 1961 in Ottawa. Times of day for such group acts are generally between about 11 AM at earlist and 8 PM at latest. So...

3 August 1961
for 17:00 for approximating planet pos.
[UTC -4:00/ summer EDST observed 28 April - 27 Oct]
Ottawa, CANADA [45N25, 75W41]

Time ranges would point most strongly to signs of Libra through Sagittarius on the Asc, but could be earlier signs or even Cap or Aqua. I'll use mid-Sag.

Pluto will transit contra-parallel this chart's natal Mercury-Venus, which is strong for its message and putting forward its values. Pluto will also be parallel this chart's natal Jupiter, which add tremendously to power to grow and include more voters, but will also be even more closely parallel natal Saturn, so there will be limited resources with which to do it.

Little if any help from Uranus.

Neptune transits opposite its natal Pluto, not helpful; may be leading itself on a bit about its ability this time around.

However, Pluto is also trine the natal Moon position. This makes a grand trine of transiting Jupiter mid-Virgo + transiting Pluto mid-Cap both trine to natal Moon mid-Taurus.

Overall, looks set up for some progress. I can't be any more specific than that since I don't actually have a chart, but am working with planet positions narrowed to the middle third or so of the day.

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posted June 30, 2015 09:06 PM            

Natal Chart and Transits for Election Day

Natal Chart and Progressions for Election Day

Natal Chart and Solar Return (with Houses) for Election Day

Lunar Return for Election Day

posted June 30, 2015 10:32 PM            

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Originally posted by CupOfDavid:
I love that Tom Mulcair is rising in the polls. Harper is sending us backwards and trying to get re-elected through fear mongering.

I say the Uranus-Pluto square will give us the positive change that Canada needs.

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posted June 30, 2015 10:43 PM            

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Originally posted by CupOfDavid:
I love that Tom Mulcair is rising in the polls. Harper is sending us backwards and trying to get re-elected through fear mongering.

I say the Uranus-Pluto square will give us the positive change that Canada needs.

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Another NDP supporter!

I donated $20 today to the campaign and I'm considering volunteering right now. Since I'm only 17 (18 in August), I could put lots of time into it. Especially because Politics is my life calling (my Natal Chart screams it).

What I find the most interesting here is how when you look at the Astrology of Justin Trudeau and Stephen Harper, there are a lot of significant aspects being made to their charts. With Tom's (which I'm going to be posting in a minute), it's a little more complicated since we don't have his time of birth. This may require lots of studying to determine Astrologically, who has the greatest odds of winning.

posted June 30, 2015 10:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Valentine:
I agree with you, and hope you're right.

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posted June 30, 2015 11:22 PM            

Natal Chart and Transits:

Natal Chart and Progressions:

Natal Chart and Solar Return (adjusted to previous year since Astro changes it to his October 24th 2015 birthday):