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Topic: Why is EVERY Scorpio/8th house/pluto placement/aspect overrated?
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Dreaminess
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posted June 29, 2015 05:57 PM
 
A girl i know she has scorpio venus and asc with pluto in her first house and conj her asc and she`s not even half of what they tend to write about that placement like for example powerful, intense, profound etc. She concerns herself with more superficial stuff and puts value in ridiculous unimportant stuff and waste lots of time and energy on it and can be very shallow. She`s not a leader she is more of a follower and just follows the crowd she`s in even if she don`t want to do what they want. She also have an 8th house mars btw. Another girl i know with sun square pluto, mars sextile pluto, merc trine pluto and with a 8th house moon i mean come on when i read about those placements, aspects damn almost none of it matched well with how she is. She is easily fooled something an 8th house moon supposedly isn`t, her perceptions are way off and is easily manipulated. Even when she tries to manipulate its so obvious that it ends up not going in her favour, and aren`t scorpios/8th house/plutonian people the masters of manipulation? or it seems like they are the masters of everything..
Why are descriptions on scorpios/8th house placements and pluto aspects so overdone and overrated? I have even met and known naive (yeah, NAIVE) Scorpio moons WITH PLUTO CONJUNCT THEIR MOON EVEN. IP: Logged |
GemBird82
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posted June 29, 2015 06:01 PM
There's no logical answer for this.
You need to grow some thick skin.Because it's the same like saying the only god is the one from Abrahamic faiths, or that J Bieber es the best singer ever, etc.
Scorpio rules fanatism, big corporations, big crowds, majorities and also obsession too. IP: Logged |
theunknown
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posted June 29, 2015 07:16 PM
Dreaminess,
How old are the people you're talking about? These are your perception of them... I mean you don't know their whole life stories at all and might only observe them in one instance. As a sun square Pluto, I can tell you hardly anyone knows my full story. They'd be lucky if the know 1/4 of my life story and I'm not surprise if some ppl assume I'm lighthearted and not serious (5th Jupiter, Aries moon). I'm always amused when people know my life story their behaviors completely change. Obviously all these descriptions are archetypical. Some Scorpio moons are smarter than some other regardless of aspects. The aspects indicate their tendencies, not IQ or talent. And life isn't fair. Not all signs get the attention they deserve. IP: Logged |
Dreaminess
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posted June 29, 2015 07:26 PM
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Originally posted by theunknown:
Dreaminess,
How old are the people you're talking about? These are your perception of them... I mean you don't know their whole life stories at all and might only observe them in one instance. As a sun square Pluto, I can tell you hardly anyone knows my full story. They'd be lucky if the know 1/4 of my life story and I'm not surprise if some ppl assume I'm lighthearted and not serious (5th Jupiter, Aries moon). I'm always amused when people know my life story their behaviors completely change. Obviously all these descriptions are archetypical. Some Scorpio moons are smarter than some other regardless of aspects. The aspects indicate their tendencies, not IQ or talent. And life isn't fair. Not all signs get the attention they deserve.
Usually experienced this from people in their 20`s. Both those girls i mentioned i have known for over 10 years and belive me you start to know a person after years of being together and dealing with each other and both of them have dumped their problems on me for years.
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posted June 29, 2015 07:27 PM
How old is she?I can tell you if she has Pluto conjunct AC then she has had some struggles and it's quite possible she had not worked through the pain yet, she's still a victim to it.
But Pluto will not allow her to stay stuck forever, she will have to pull out all that Pluto power and find a way to break out of whatever cycle she's caught in. I have libra Pluto, 3 degrees off my AC, Venus is conjunct Pluto and 12 degrees off my AC in 1st house.
I found my power slowly, in shifts.
Until 25 I was a total doormat hoping for crumbs of acceptance, appreciation and love....then I started having breakthroughs that gave me some power, little bits at a time.
1st break through I was 25
2nd break through I was 27
Had a total breakdown at 35 that lead to another breakthrough at 37
Each break through I gained a little strength and the ability to begin to break out of cycles I was trapped in. Don't judge ppls paths, esp the ppl with major Pluto path...these ppl are holding on for dear life, living in fear of life until they start taking back some of their power and learning how to direct all that Pluto energy in a constructive way, until then they are being thrown around like a rag doll in a tornado! IP: Logged |
Dreaminess
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posted June 29, 2015 07:58 PM
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Originally posted by Gabby:
How old is she?I can tell you if she has Pluto conjunct AC then she has had some struggles and it's quite possible she had not worked through the pain yet, she's still a victim to it.
But Pluto will not allow her to stay stuck forever, she will have to pull out all that Pluto power and find a way to break out of whatever cycle she's caught in. I have libra Pluto, 3 degrees off my AC, Venus is conjunct Pluto and 12 degrees off my AC in 1st house.
I found my power slowly, in shifts.
Until 25 I was a total doormat hoping for crumbs of acceptance, appreciation and love....then I started having breakthroughs that gave me some power, little bits at a time.
1st break through I was 25
2nd break through I was 27
Had a total breakdown at 35 that lead to another breakthrough at 37
Each break through I gained a little strength and the ability to begin to break out of cycles I was trapped in. Don't judge ppls paths, esp the ppl with major Pluto path...these ppl are holding on for dear life, living in fear of life until they start taking back some of their power and learning how to direct all that Pluto energy in a constructive way, until then they are being thrown around like a rag doll in a tornado!
She is 22. True she has had some issues up the years and it seems like she dosen`t learn from them. But what bothers me with almost every describtions of scorpio/pluto/8th house is how powerful, insightful, deep penetrating almost perfect they make people with those influences outh to be when in reality i know people with strong scorp/pluto/8th house influence that don`t have those qualities. IP: Logged |
GemBird82
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posted June 29, 2015 08:03 PM
I understand both pov
Hmmm... IP: Logged |
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posted June 29, 2015 08:09 PM
And then some folks still say True Ruler of Aries has not been Hijacked... When it's clear that many things don't make sense     IP: Logged |
midnightvenus
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posted June 29, 2015 08:21 PM
I agree that people romanticize Scorpio/Plutonic people a lot.
We need to learn to "humanize" them.
They may like popular things like everyone. They struggle like everyone. They want to be accepted and loved like everyone else.
They aren't just plain and simple *powerful* and *deep*.
They need to grow and develop the Plutonic traits.
You said the girl didn't learn from her experiences.
If she didn't learn, then she can't develop and grow.IP: Logged |
Astra
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posted June 29, 2015 08:30 PM
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Originally posted by Dreaminess:
She is 22. True she has had some issues up the years and it seems like she dosen`t learn from them. But what bothers me with almost every describtions of scorpio/pluto/8th house is how powerful, insightful, deep penetrating almost perfect they make people with those influences outh to be when in reality i know people with strong scorp/pluto/8th house influence that don`t have those qualities.
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She is 22. True she has had some issues up the years and it seems like she dosen`t learn from them. But what bothers me with almost every describtions of scorpio/pluto/8th house is how powerful, insightful, deep penetrating almost perfect they make people with those influences outh to be when in reality i know people with strong scorp/pluto/8th house influence that don`t have those qualities.
No wonder she's immature. She's only 22! A lot of people are still growing up at this age. I've rarely seen any depth in even Plutonians at this age. Chances are she'll start showing some depth around age 25-26. By the way, as a Plutonian, I would definitely not say that a person with strong scorpio or pluto influences is perfect or powerful. Their lives tend to be fraught with danger and an unusual amount of obstacles and drama. Some of these people trust their intuition and read people very well. Others tend to ignore their intuition and end up trusting the wrong people. I was in the latter category at 22. Now at 30, I've learned to trust my intuition. IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted June 29, 2015 10:28 PM
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Originally posted by Dreaminess:
She is 22. True she has had some issues up the years and it seems like she dosen`t learn from them. But what bothers me with almost every describtions of scorpio/pluto/8th house is how powerful, insightful, deep penetrating almost perfect they make people with those influences outh to be when in reality i know people with strong scorp/pluto/8th house influence that don`t have those qualities.
At 22, I would have seemed like a weak pathetic follower that was just floating along! Pluto is destructive until you get ahold of it's energy...it's strength and power is earned. If the person has not earned it then they won't have it! But hopefully eventually they will tire of the destruction and chose to start trying to get some control of Pluto's energy. If not it's possible life will fall to shambles for them, if it doesn't destroy them or they destroy themselves with drugs n extreme behaviors.
Your not born with the positive energy of Pluto manifesting itself it takes much effort and comes only after there is some maturity and work. IP: Logged |
theunknown
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posted June 29, 2015 11:50 PM
^^^ I agree. Pluto and Uranus. Even Satiurn.I think the more successful, wiser individuals have chart that reflect some easier aspects to balance out and a focus on career or something that keep their attention. I have never not trusted a sun-Pluto hard aspect, however these ppl vary in their motivation. The archetype of Phoenix is dramatic in itself. Even then, you look at any sign and come to the same conclusion. Not every Aqua is unique and genius; many are plain boring or weird. But every Pisces/neptunian is psychic and kind, many are just complacent. Not all Martian or Arian is brave, some are selfish and impulsive. Sometimes you find the same qualities in the same person. Angelina Jokie was rash and wild when she was younger, now she's definitely Marian on a more mature way. IP: Logged |
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posted June 30, 2015 11:08 AM
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Even then, you look at any sign and come to the same conclusion. Not every Aqua is unique and genius; many are plain boring or weird. But every Pisces/neptunian is psychic and kind, many are just complacent. Not all Martian or Arian is brave, some are selfish and impulsive. Sometimes you find the same qualities in the same person. Angelina Jokie was rash and wild when she was younger, now she's definitely Marian on a more mature way.
Have you met every Pisces? I've met a few who were not very kind. IP: Logged |
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posted June 30, 2015 11:19 AM
My boyfriend is a Scorpio with sun conjunct Pluto and yes, he is a happy-go-lucky guy with a lot of people (he DOES have Sag rising and Venus and Mars in Libra, after all), but when we first met, what struck me was his intensity. I'd never had such focused attention on me before. I mean, we'd be in a restaurant or something and he literally would not even notice or so much as glance at the people around us. As an Aquarius and a people-watcher I found this very interesting! What was penetrating was his gaze. He would also text me 24/7 wanting to know every intricate detail about my life and what I was doing at all times. It took awhile for me to truly see his lighter side and get him to relax because he was so concerned about intimacy and getting to know who I was and what my values were about inside and out and he needed to trust my motives before he could let go and just be silly with me. We had only been going out for a couple of weeks before he told me a traumatic childhood story of something awful that happened to him when he was young and he cried when he told me. He's a true Scorpio in the sense that he is that phoenix who rose from the ashes of struggle and emotional pain.
I have my moon in the 8th house. Rather than be intimidated or overwhelmed or turned off by all of this intensity I was very drawn by it and when he cried I wanted to comfort him. I have girlfriends (Virgo and Sagittarius) who I know would find such focussed attention to be creepy.
So no, I don't think it's overblown. I think they have to trust you and be emotionally invested before they'll tell you what they lived through.
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posted June 30, 2015 12:21 PM
I just find it so ridiculous how they make it ought to seem that scorpios/8th house/pluto people are almost superhuman, they are humans that go through struggles just like anyone else but for some reason they get alot more creds for being able to go through hardships than most signs. IP: Logged |
jenny415
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posted June 30, 2015 12:39 PM
yikes somebody's projecting...this is a very real example of what scorpions have to deal with on the daily. People who misunderstand/preconconceive and criticize what they can't see. IP: Logged |
theunknown
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posted June 30, 2015 12:53 PM
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Originally posted by jenny415:
yikes somebody's projecting...this is a very real example of what scorpions have to deal with on the daily. People who misunderstand/preconconceive and criticize what they can't see.
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posted June 30, 2015 12:55 PM
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Dreaminess
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posted June 30, 2015 01:00 PM
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Originally posted by jenny415:
yikes somebody's projecting...this is a very real example of what scorpions have to deal with on the daily. People who misunderstand/preconconceive and criticize what they can't see.
I am talking about scorpio/8th house/pluto influenced people i know personally, people i have dealt with for years, seen their patterns, heard their thoughts, listened to their problems etc, how can i misunderstand that? these are people i know, not some regulars i have met in school. And by looking at what they do, say and think and the describtions i have read i must say i find the descriptions overrated. IP: Logged |
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posted June 30, 2015 01:07 PM
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posted June 30, 2015 01:09 PM
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Originally posted by jenny415:
yikes somebody's projecting...this is a very real example of what scorpions have to deal with on the daily. People who misunderstand/preconconceive and criticize what they can't see.
^^^^ ...what they can't see. I am a Scorpio Stellium (Sun, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter, Pluto, Descendant) along with Sun and mars conjunct Pluto. Sun, Mars, Pluto opposite my DSC in Scorpio as well so I am very familiar with Pluto energy.
From my own experience, a lot of our depth and intensity happens within and most ppl only see the results. We internalize almost everything that affects on a deep level. We're not superhumans by any means.
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posted June 30, 2015 01:17 PM
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^^^^...what they can't see. I am a Scorpio Stellium (Sun, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter, Pluto, Descendant) along with Sun and mars conjunct Pluto. Sun, Mars, Pluto opposite my DSC in Scorpio as well so I am very familiar with Pluto energy.
From my own experience, a lot of our depth and intensity happens within and most ppl only see the results. We internalize almost everything that affects on a deep level. We're not superhumans by any means.
Yeah i know you guys aren`t superhumans but i don`t like that astrologers always make it ought to seem like you guys are. IP: Logged |
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posted June 30, 2015 01:53 PM
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Originally posted by Yanmorg:
^^^^...what they can't see. I am a Scorpio Stellium (Sun, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter, Pluto, Descendant) along with Sun and mars conjunct Pluto. Sun, Mars, Pluto opposite my DSC in Scorpio as well so I am very familiar with Pluto energy.
From my own experience, a lot of our depth and intensity happens within and most ppl only see the results. We internalize almost everything that affects on a deep level. We're not superhumans by any means.
Agreed if we are anything we are the ones who get hit the hardest by life! Our strength only comes after we have weathered many storms and came out ontop. IP: Logged |
theunknown
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posted June 30, 2015 05:52 PM
This thread makes me realize why plutonians act like wolves when they recognize one another. It's really like underwood activity ... "Hey I see you"IP: Logged |
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posted June 30, 2015 06:50 PM
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Agreed if we are anything we are the ones who get hit the hardest by life! Our strength only comes after we have weathered many storms and came out ontop.
^^^ This... I'm Scorp Asc, 8th house Sun and Merc.
My Merc is the focus of a T square, with 3 squares including Pluto, Sun sign ruler, Final Depositor, etc. My Pluto is Chart ruler, has a Square, an Opposition, a Trine, a Sextile and a Conjunction, and through those aspects is tied into every major geometry my chart shows... I'm 51 years old, and been studying or at least dabbling with astrology for some 30 years or so. Even I don't have it all figured out yet when it comes to my Pluto and the 8th house stuff. Life is untried, it is mearly survived
When you're standing outside the fire. ...and I don't even like Garth Brooks. Overrated? Not recommended, in any case. But you're never going to see what I have seen. And every few years, *poof*, time to move on to the next "life"... Sorry if that was a little ranty. We're not Comic Book Heros or leading men in 50 Shades of romance novels. We're people who understand that we're not going to get our security deposit back if we return our lives back to the dealer without and dings or scratches. IP: Logged |
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