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Faith
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posted July 07, 2015 12:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Have you tried it?

I'm coming up with some interesting findings.

If I progress (actually regress, I should say) my chart back to the day my mother was born...

* My regressed moon is tightly conjunct my regressed and natal NN
* My regressed sun-Mercury-Neptune is conjunct my natal Venus-Neptune
* My regressed Venus is conjunct my natal name asteroid and IC

If I regress it back to when my father was born...

* My regressed moon is conjunct my natal Psyche
* My regressed Mercury is exactly conjunct the regressed NN, conjunct my father's natal Mercury
* My regressed Venus exactly conjunct regressed Pluto
(same as I have in my helio chart)
* My regressed Mars in early Cancer
(same as I have in my helio chart)
* My regressed DNA asteroid conjunct natal Neptune, conjunct my father's pr sun when I was born (within 1 orb.)

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Surely this is meaningful.

Anyone else ever try this? Is it legal?

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Aunt Anomalia
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posted July 07, 2015 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aunt Anomalia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Step 2: regressesed synastry and composite.

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posted July 07, 2015 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ So demanding

But Ok...

Ooo check that out! Aunt Anomalia, you rule!!!

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Regressed composite with my father, set for the day he was born...we have:

*ASC (if my birth time's correct) at 25 Pisces, conjunct his Jupiter and my Pallas
*Mercury at 20 Scorpio, conjunct my NN exact
*Uranus at 17 Cap, conjunct my 15 Cap sun.

But it's actually more interesting to look at the draconic regressed composite:

*Moon at 0 Leo, conjunct my natal 0 Leo Saturn.
*Mercury at 14 Gemini, conjunct my draconic Mercury at 15 Gemini and natal Mars at 16 Gemini
*Saturn at 27 Libra conjunct his sun and Mars (25-26 Libra) and my draconic Mars (26 Libra)
*DNA at 18 Pisces, conjunct my moon exact

And some other degrees too esoteric to test everyone's patience with at the moment, if anyone's reading.

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Regressed composite with my mother, set for the day she was born...we have:

*Saturn at 16 Gemini exactly conjunct my Mars
*Mars exactly conjunct Jupiter at 11 Aries, Mercury at 11 Libra.
My natal Pluto is at 11 Libra, and my natal chart has an exact sextile between Jupiter and Mars.
*Sun at 16 Libra opposing my natal Jupiter and trine my natal Mars exactly; square my natal 15 Cap sun.

Switching over to draconic, the regressed composite draconic chart has Neptune at 19 Pisces, conjunct my moon.

Random weird fact: with both parents the regressed Mars is at 29 Leo...with my father in tropical and with my mother in draconic.
I don't know what this means.

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posted July 07, 2015 12:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Meatballzzzzzz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is so interesting! How far back did you regress the charts? I want to try it!

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Faith
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posted July 07, 2015 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Thanks for your enthusiasm

At astro.com, enter birth info and then for Methods you select progressed chart, and for Options: Start dates for chart marked with *, you choose the date in the past that you are interested in.

I chose my parents' days of birth, for starters.

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posted July 07, 2015 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I`ve been dabbling a little in converse progressions myself (which is pretty close to what you suggested).

Astrologers who use converse progressions say they are just as valid as in forward motion, though some attribute a more karmic notion to those.

The funny thing is, in 2019 my pr ASC will be on 16 Capricorn by the normal forward progressions. At the same time Mr Sag`s pr ASC (by converse progression) will be on 16 Cap as well.


I was pretty flabbergasted about that. It is like a meeting point of our ASC`s, just his has to travel backwards, while mine is in normal motion.

What that means? Not really sure, but along with everything else it`s interesting.

In converse progression I`m also having a Sun-Venus-conjunction applying and just having come into one degree orb (I think on 14 or 15 Scorpio).


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posted July 07, 2015 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for florence     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm far from understanding progressions but I made for former partners & my dob and my progressions with their dob (timescale isn't always before a birth) and there's some pattern, at a cursory glance, with sun-moon aspects, desc being more aspected, pof being in a sig place and some mirroring of the other persons (than the progressed chart) aspect in the progressed.

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posted July 07, 2015 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So I regressed Mr Sag`s chart to the day I was born (as I am the older one).


So let`s see what is coming up.


Well right there I notice that in that regressed chart he has

reg Moon on 23 Libra conjunct reg Pluto on 21 LIbra in 7th house, exact trine reg Psyche on 23 Aquarius in 12th house.

Like in his natal in the regressed chart Venus was square Pluto, but here it is much closer (1°34) and applying.

Venus also trines mean Lilith at 2 degrees, and that mean Lilith is just 2 degrees conjunct DESC into 7th house, with true Lilith being 2 degrees below the 7th house.


Sun, still conj. MC, here is conjunct Neptune under 2 degrees, and interesting enough his regressed Sun on 21°52 Sagittarius conjuncts my prenatal ecclipse on 21°16 Sagittarius (and Neptune is his chartruler anyway)

his regressed ASC on 14 Pisces also falls right in between my natal Jupiter on 11 Pisces and natal Juno on 17 Pisces.

his regressed Valentine on 17 Scorpio making an exact Grand trine with my Saturn on 17 Scorpio and Juno on 17 Pisces (and falling onto my Lancelot. I donīt wanna talk about it. )

Uranus squaring Psyche exact, too.


Oh and my name in his chart is conjunct his Priapus exact on 7 Pisces (0°19)

his Eros is nearby on 5 Pisces and opposping his Amor on 5 Virgo exact as well.


BTW we met when both our Psyches had progressed into a nearly exact conjunction with his natal Eros on 8 Pisces. 7 Pisces was the degree, which also had my transiting name on top of everything else.


his name conjunct Mars on 9 Virgo exact and close to upiter on 10 Virgo as well.

A very close t-square of PHolus on 23 Pisces, Vertex 24 Virgo and MC 23 Sag.

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posted July 07, 2015 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
when I progress my chart to HIS birth:

pSun on 1 Capricorn, EXACT on my n Sun/Venus-mp, we wouldn`t e talking about that, but it is actually precise down to the minute!


pMoon on 17 Aries, being the focal planet of a T-square, square to pSaturn (0°32 s) and his pname (0°00) - his p name being on 17 Capricorn

his pname also having progressed into an exact trine to my p name.

the Pluto-MC-conjunction having just perfected in the progressions


p Amor being just one minute away from my natal ASC on 7 Sag.


p Valentine having progressed to the last degree of Scorpio

pVenus having moved past the square to Pluto (3 degrees off already), but exact square the warrior queen ERIS on 12 Aries.

Funny enough that p Venus would have been trine his n Mars much more closely than in our natal charts (1 degree).


my pr chartruler Jupiter (plus Ceres) being conjunct his prenatal ecclipse. (which falls onto his regressed ASC and my natal Jupiter/Juno anyway).


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Aunt Anomalia
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posted July 07, 2015 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aunt Anomalia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Ooo check that out! Aunt Anomalia, you rule!!!


If I were you I'd focus on conjunctions and optionally supertight squares and oppositions.

Do you have aspect patterns in these charts? I'd pay attention to the ones with angular rulers in particular. Do you notice any major connections between regressed composites and the standard ones? And why don't you check your DOB too?


When I checked my stuff with my last celeb crush for my DOB I got

an exact Pluto->Mars<-Moon(conjunct Neptune) yod, Moon rules the MC and Mars rules the DSC
(in the natal composite the Moon is conjunct Pluto exact sextile Neptune, here's the other way round)
Mercury->Venus<Saturn yod, Venus rules the ASC and Saturn the IC

his bday
NN->Sun-<Moon yod
Moon-Neptue-Sun-Mars grand square
Saturn->Moon<-Mars t-square (all angular rulers)
Moon at the last degree, Sun at 0, both in fire, interesting...
Venus conjunct my name asteroid probably conjunct DSC exact

The amount of yods isn't surprising, we're a yodal "couple" in general.


My regressed chart for his bday has a Moon in his Sun sign and which is exactly quincunx his surname asteroid, 8 minutes. Venus here is exactly conjunct my pseudonym. His regressed Venus exactly opposite my regressed Venus, his rMoon conjunct my nDSC and his rASC conjunct my nIC. His rAntivertex conjunct my nSun.

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posted July 07, 2015 02:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Seimei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted July 07, 2015 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
in the regressd composite to the day of HIS birth,

regressed composite Venus is on 19 Cap, EXACT same degree as his regressed Venus to my birth (and my helio Venus).

(and regressed composite MOon is aquarius, naturally )

Regressing it to MY birth:

regr composite Venus on 12 Cap, where my regressed Venus is for his birth.
(I suppose that is pure mathematics though, and will always happen)


ROFL

regr composite ASC on 25 Capricorn, EXACT on his natal Venus.


reg composite Moon is in Sag (his natal Moon-Sign, just like in the other case it was highlighting MY Moon-sign, though not exactly conjunct).

reg c-Moon on 20 Sag and reg c-Sun on 23 Sag

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posted July 07, 2015 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Seimei:
Perhaps on that day the two of you understand more than ever where you are coming from,so to speak.


Yes, that was my thought as well. It also struck me, cause I remembered faintly that there was something about that year.

I re-checked and re-membered that it was the year our composite will have a progressed fullmoon (8 aquarius-Leo) and it also is the year when both our Venus-Mars-natal progressions are in play

his pr Venus opposing n and p Mars
my pr Mars conjunct n Venus

Along with his pr DESC having reached my natal ASC some months prior.


at the same time my pDESC will be conjunct nSaturn exactly, ruler of the pASC.

for him, pSaturn will conjunct nDESC.
and his converse Mercury-Venus-conjunction (both rulers of his natal 7th house) will land on my ASC exact and then heading towards my Mars.


It`s just that there is quite a bit up around that time.

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posted July 07, 2015 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aunt Anomalia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's someone else I discovered basically at the same time and they even worked together so I generated their composite for my bday.

DSC+Vertex probably exactly conjunct my natal ASC. Sun exactly conjunct one of their names (the guy's I discovered first). My name asteroid conjunct Pholus exact. Moon in the sign of my rMoon (they're peers). I even had angles overlaying our multicomposite angles when they were born. In short, I was born to stalk them

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posted July 07, 2015 03:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Ceri! I don't know what converse progressions are (?) But don't worry, I will research it.

I never know how to answer you without quoting every last thing...but here, I'm just going to act more selective than I feel for brevity's sake.

quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
BTW we met when both our Psyches had progressed into a nearly exact conjunction with his natal Eros on 8 Pisces. 7 Pisces was the degree, which also had my transiting name on top of everything else.

^^ Typically, hypnotically eerie. ^^

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
when I progress my chart to HIS birth:

pSun on 1 Capricorn, EXACT on my n Sun/Venus-mp, we wouldn`t e talking about that, but it is actually precise down to the minute!


Like it was foreordained!

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
pMoon on 17 Aries, being the focal planet of a T-square, square to pSaturn (0°32 s) and his pname (0°00) - his p name being on 17 Capricorn

There, too, you foresee my eventual entrance to the drama, what with my 16 Aries and almost-16 Cap credentials. *preens*

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
his pname also having progressed into an exact trine to my p name.

But how could his name progress on the day he was born? Are you counting seconds of arc?

quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
p Amor being just one minute away from my natal ASC on 7 Sag.

Love it.

quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
(I suppose that is pure mathematics though, and will always happen)

I follow that. I think so.

quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
regr composite ASC on 25 Capricorn, EXACT on his natal Venus.


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posted July 07, 2015 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:


If I were you I'd focus on conjunctions and optionally supertight squares and oppositions.

Do you have aspect patterns in these charts? I'd pay attention to the ones with angular rulers in particular. Do you notice any major connections between regressed composites and the standard ones? And why don't you check your DOB too?


Yeah just hang on while I procure a 90-day supply of caffeine and consume it all at once, so I can move fast enough to accomplish all of this without cutting into the time allotted for more practical duties.

Kidding! I appreciate the advice and will try to uncover hidden mystery patterns in these charts, in keeping with your descriptions, as time permits.

quote:
Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
When I checked my stuff with my last celeb crush for my DOB I got...

Egads! In which charts? Please specify, I'm not smart or psychic enough to tell.

quote:
Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
The amount of yods isn't surprising, we're a yodal "couple" in general.

"Yodal" pronounced "yodel" I hope.

quote:
Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
My regressed chart for his bday....

How can a chart be regressed for a birthday? Are we all talking about the same things?

I'm confused now.

quote:
Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
In short, I was born to stalk them

Well it's good to have validation for something like that.

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posted July 07, 2015 03:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Faith,


"I don't know what converse progressions are (?)"
They are basically regressions.
Just as you can move the chart forwards (one day for a year), you can move it backwards; so the 10th day after your birth might indicate your 10th year of life, that is the normal progression.

Howeveer some asterologers say the 10th day BEFORE your birth also symbolically relates to your 10th year of life (with the twist that it might be more compulsive, fated, even karmic in nature).


"^^ Typically, hypnotically eerie. ^^"
Yes, I nearly fell off my chair when I first saw this, our Psyches- which are inseparable anyway having progressed to his Eros PLUS both our transiting names being attached to it, my name in conjunctions, his in a square.

Interestingly enough I was commenting on that night just today, well on his performance at least. Maybe I shouldnīt have done it, but that was once again a Mercury-in-Sag-post-before-you-think kinda thing. And I think it would be silly to erase it. He is probably not remembering that night anyway.

But well, yes I do remember

and he reminded me, too, in a way, because of playing that role just once again this year, like he can`t NOT perform this role. I mean seriously, this is like the 4th or 5th time since that year he is performing this, not counting the fact he has been singing a song from that musical on EVERY open air (you know which one) since that year!

While he might identify most with Mozart, it is THIS role that sort of has become a constant companion, somehow.


"Like it was foreordained!"
That was exactly the feeling I had back then.
Funny enough when we met his pSun was conjunct his nVenus with no orb. 0.00. lol

(my pVenus was on my nMoon btw)


"There, too, you foresee my eventual entrance to the drama, what with my 16 Aries and almost-16 Cap credentials. *preens* "
Yes, and my Draco Sun on 16 Aries as well. Interesting, isn`t it?


"But how could his name progress on the day he was born? Are you counting seconds of arc?"
well it was his name in MY chart, which in my natal is on 13 Capricorn, by the time he was born (5 years later) it had progressed to 17 Capricorn.

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posted July 07, 2015 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Funny enough when we met his pSun was conjunct his nVenus with no orb. 0.00. lol"

AHHHHHHHH

Too weird, too weird!!!

This is like a five-alarm fire of weirdness!

Oh more to say later if I get time, I gotta email you! See you there!

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posted July 07, 2015 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wanna know some tidbit more?


When we met:

my pr Jupiter 16°58 Pisces
my n Juno 16°58 Pisces


Tr Jupiter: 22°05 Cap
my n Sun/Moon: 21°31 Cap
c-Moon: 22°52 Cap

Tr Juno: 26°26 Sag
his nSun/Moon: 27°48 Sag
c-Sun: 26°26 Sag


I guess, I never had any chance, that meeting seems to have been equivalent to checking into Hotel California. you know the "you can check out anytime you want, but you can never leave-part"


To make things a little more esoteric, there was also a Siva-Parvati-conjunction that very day, conjunct our pr composite Kaali and pr composite ASC on HIS pr Parvati and trine my Siva.

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posted July 07, 2015 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aunt Anomalia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Egads! In which charts? Please specify, I'm not smart or psychic enough to tell.

First there were composites set for our birthdays and then idividual charts. Perhaps I shouldn't use the word "regressed" to describe p charts set for the day of birth of someone younger unless it's "regressed in terms of now".

I'm curious about your husband, do you care to share at least your regressed chart for his DOB?
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posted July 08, 2015 10:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Ceridwen~

Thanks for explaining about converse progressions. ) I'm not seeing an option for that at astro.com yet, so I'll have to rummage around some more.

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I guess, I never had any chance, that meeting seems to have been equivalent to checking into Hotel California. you know the "you can check out anytime you want, but you can never leave-part"

Well...I'd say you have my sympathy, but you seem to adore this hotel.

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posted July 08, 2015 10:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Faith:

Well...I'd say you have my sympathy, but you seem to adore this hotel.

Shhhht. Don`t blow my cover!


But you are right astro.com does not have the option. Thank god for my solar fire! lol

Alternatively one can do it manually of course.

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posted July 08, 2015 11:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:

First there were composites set for our birthdays and then idividual charts. Perhaps I shouldn't use the word "regressed" to describe p charts set for the day of birth of someone younger unless it's "regressed in terms of now".

I guess the composites set to one person's DOB are just half-progressed or half-regressed.

Ok. I've gone back and studied your particulars some more. 'Not quoting but you'll just have to take my word for it, that I'm astro-literate and stand impressed.

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I'm curious about your husband, do you care to share at least your regressed chart for his DOB?

Thanks for your curiosity. I was going to post this, but it's pretty boring, not a lot of hits.

Highlights ~ my chart regressed to the day he was born:

* My regressed moon at 8 Cancer, conjunct his ASC, more or less (I don't know if his birth time was recorded in Daylight Savings Time or not.)
* My regressed moon exactly opposing reg Mercury
* My regressed Karma 12 Libra conjunct natal and reg 11 Libra Pluto. This forms a t-square with moon and Mercury.
* My regressed Venus conjunct his NN, 1 orb
* Regressed Eros on the DSC if I've rectified my chart for real instead of just "rectifying" it.
* With that laxity in mind, reg MC tightly conjunct my natal Lilith (BML)
* And my regressed ASC for his birth date is conjunct his progressed ASC for my birth date, though with a sad and depressing Mystery Orb.
* My reg IC conjunct his Libra moon, orb unknowable, but it must be close.

* So my reg moon on his ASC, his moon on my reg IC, plus or minus.

* My reg Saturn exactly conjunct my name asteroid in his natal chart.

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In his progressed chart for the day I was born:

* My name asteroid conjunct his natal sun.
* His progressed sun tightly trine my regressed sun on the day he was born

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Our progressed composite for the day I was born:

* Yod with moon at the apex, conjunct my natal Chiron, with Pluto-Uranus and Neptune-Eros as the base planets. Those base planets are re-structured into a kite in our regular composite, which has Chiron at the apex, conjunct my natal moon.

* My name asteroid in this chart is conjunct my natal Juno.

* Karma conjunct my natal sun, almost (about 2.40 orb)

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Our regressed composite for the day he was born:

* Sun conjunct my natal Karma exact
* Karma on the DSC with birth times I'm using
* Venus conjunct my natal Pluto and my regressed Karma for that day
* Vesta conjunct his natal Karma and my natal BML
* MC conjunct BML

Karmic, eh?

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I know, all soooo fascinating!

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posted July 08, 2015 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Shhhht. Don`t blow my cover!

*whispers*

Right right. Just between you and me.

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posted July 08, 2015 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Giving it a try,
Regressed to parents dob

Mother:
Regressed Venus conjunct natal Moon
Regressed Mercury conjunct natal Venus
Regressed Asc opposite natal vertex
Regressed Saturn opposite natal Sun/Jupiter conjunction
Regressed north node conjunct natal mc/nn

Father:
Same placement except regressed moon square natal asc.

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