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LibraGirl92
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posted July 23, 2015 10:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LibraGirl92     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi guys I am wondering how can you detect mental disorder in the natal chart. I am asking because I wonder if I suffer from one. From my understanding my dad was diagnosed with bi polar and I wonder if I suffer from it as well. Thank you :-)

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Seimei
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posted July 23, 2015 10:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Seimei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LibraGirl92:
Hi guys I am wondering how can you detect mental disorder in the natal chart. I am asking because I wonder if I suffer from one. From my understanding my dad was diagnosed with bi polar and I wonder if I suffer from it as well. Thank you :-)

I WOULD HAVE TO SAY ,,,, NO ,,, AND BAD IDEA.
on the other hand I think some people suffer from mental order, and some people may be bi-polar and NOT suffer at all.
In any case a diet of lots of fresh veggies and nuts and a good b-complex regimen
may forestall the need for medication in all life.

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ReadingTheStars95
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posted July 23, 2015 10:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ReadingTheStars95     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've noticed Mercury-Uranus aspects especially signifying this.. More-so the hard aspects though.

Sometimes Moon-Neptune, Moon-Uranus, Moon-Mercury.. Of course, once again, mainly the harder aspects.. Also, Neptune-Mercury.

And of course, any of these planets in the sign of the house rulers of one of the others..

If you want, I can look at your chart and see if anything sticks out to me. If you don't want to post your chart publicly, I can give you my email..

Of course, that is up to you though.

I wish you the best in finding things out.

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Meatballzzzzzz
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posted July 23, 2015 10:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Meatballzzzzzz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moon in harsh aspects to Neptune, Uranus or Sun. Jupiter in harsh aspect to Saturn. Mercury in harsh aspect to Saturn. I read somewhere that charts that are heavily influenced by Gemini (duel personalities) can possibly have it. In all honesty though, if you believe you might have it and especially if it's in your family history, it would be good idea to go seek a professionals advice. Never hurts to at least ask, right? Best of luck in your findings hun!

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Odette
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posted July 23, 2015 11:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hi guys I am wondering how can you detect mental disorder in the natal chart

I've tried my best to research this, as I've had relationships with people diagnosed with mental illness.
In my opinion, there are no definite answers based on one's birth chart.

There are many other (non-astrological) factors involved in developing a mental illness.
Astrology can only show possibilities and inclinations.
My ex has Moon in Pisces square Uranus... He is also an Aquarius Sun (sextile Uranus in Sag), with a Venus/Jupiter conjunction in Aquarius. And his Mars is in Sagittarius.

Despite the typical astrological interpretations of Uranian/Aquarian (as well as Sagittarius) people being cool-headed, detached, independent and so on..... he has BPD.
He is an extremely emotional person. Possibly, the most emotional person I have ever known. He gets extremely close to people - and finds it incredibly hard to live without them (and even harder to live with them, due to distrust, insecurities and fears of abandonment).

I almost feel like - strangely enough - his psychological issues make him come across as an entirely different sign.
That sign is Cancer. His chart has nothing in Cancer at all. I have his exact TOB (his AC is Taurus).
So, instead of astrology altering his psyche (and impacting his personality) -- the unique way in which his psyche works, is actually altering his astrological vibe.

Interestingly though, he is drawn to Cancer people - famous and otherwise.

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I should say however... that a person who is not close to my ex - would probably guess his sign correctly as Aquarius.. because he is very intelligent and has many Uranian interests.
But the closer you get - the more you see Cancer.

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LibraGirl92
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posted July 24, 2015 12:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LibraGirl92     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My chart
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ReadingTheStars95
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posted July 24, 2015 02:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ReadingTheStars95     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm.. Well, you do have the ruler of your 4th house opposite your moon.. Mercury quintile your Neptune could make it so you have somewhat of a natural aptitude for picking up on other people's thoughts from time to time. However, this could be confusing if you aren't able to discern other's thoughts from your own.

However, that doesn't mean it definitely manifests this way. Could simply show that you have a creative way of looking at things. Could be good at bringing up solutions to problems that not everyone would think of.

Hmm.. There are a few other things..

Mercury quincunx Moon.. You may have moments where Logic and Emotion conflict, making it hard for you to know just exactly how it is that you feel/think about something.

Hmm.. Ruler of the 12th house in your second house.. Maybe at times you have a hard time defining your values, or what is 'yours'.. This could even translate somewhat to an emotional level.

However, these are only one way in which these aspects could manifest. Not to say this is exactly how they manifest for you.

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posted July 24, 2015 08:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SoaringLeaves     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree that trying to find aspects responsible for mental disorders is a bad idea.

Also, except for extreme cases, the mental disorders are a consequence of your environment. The happiest person in the world would have a nervous breakdown if his/her entire family died suddenly. When you are severely depressed because you (don't get married, can't have kids, can't find a job for more than a year, are bullied at school for being different, etc.), the cause of your depression is in your environment not in your DNA.

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Ami Anne
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posted July 24, 2015 09:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Merc/Sun combust, the more exact, the more problematic ime

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posted July 24, 2015 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FruityLlama     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sun opp.Moon and Moon-pluto I think were the aspects that stood out to me in an ex's chart who had a suspected mental disorder. His mercury was in Aquarius too.

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posted July 24, 2015 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSurvivor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LibraGirl92:
Hi guys I am wondering how can you detect mental disorder in the natal chart. I am asking because I wonder if I suffer from one. From my understanding my dad was diagnosed with bi polar and I wonder if I suffer from it as well. Thank you :-)

Labels are not really very helpful. You cannot go by clinical diagnosis. You must look at his chart. If there is a genetic or DNA factor it will show up in the chart.

As far as genetic family history, nothing that exists in your family history has to manifest in you, even if you carry the DNA trigger.

It will show up in your chart as well, if you are destined to experience this, but you can control your own fate, just by becoming conscious and aware. I disagree with above comments. I think self-awareness is the best way to break old patterning, from current life experience or from genetic disposition.

Physical brain defects could show up with afflicted Mercury. Emotional disturbances could show up with afflicted Moon. Uranus could point to suicidal tendencies.

Neptune could bring illusions and distort your reality, and depending on its placement can trigger depression and fears.

Saturn could bring on depression, and mainly because it connects to old habits or old patterning imbedded in you. A connection to the past could bring on ill health and if Saturn is afflicting Mercury or Moon, then there could be mental or emotional ill health.

There are signs, houses and degrees that are affiliated with the above planets that will play a role. Plus the proportion of the principles which these planets represent will also need to be taken into consideration. Even simple division of the signs using the duodecimal system can point to troublesome degrees from Neptune/Pisces influence. Some nodes are important, plus Sabian Symbols can be an indicator.

It can be very complicated, because there are a lot of factors to analyze. And the bottom line is what your thoughts about yourself are creating about your situation. Stay positive and set the intention to understand yourself fully, and recreate yourself the way you choose for yourself, not for others, if you should desire to change. Just because your father is diagnosed mentally ill, does not mean you are destined to carry the same illness.

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GemBird82
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posted July 24, 2015 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemBird82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
~ Hi LibraGirl

I see that you have Sun in the 17th degree of Lib, very insteresting. Coincidentally enough this Sun of yours is the focal point of a T-Square. ( Sun Squaring Mars and a Uranus/Neptune conjunction )
This means that you have to deal with the influence of some groups of people. In your Case part of that group could be in the Academic field (Mars 10th) and even some friends (11th). People that touch your mars tend to stimulate your own identity (Sun) in a not very good way.
The other group of people might be present in your immediate family, (conj of Uranus and Neptune in the 4th) not very difficult to interepret since you've mentioned it. So your family context influences your perception at a certain point too.

The key to solve T-Squares is in the focal point of them.
Which means you have to give priority to your own identity, to overcome social pressure and what society may sell as truth (10th and 11th) and the influence from your environment (4th).

2nd House is a good House for Sun.
Dispositor for that Sun is Venus.

And this venus is very well aspected, there's balance between the physical body and its energy (Mars) and emotional stability (Neptune) - Nervous System (Uranus). Most of the times, external 'factors' contaminate our perception.

You are free from "disorders", LibraGirl

NN in 4th House / Sag. You have to heal the little wounds present in your family, through a good diet (as Seimei suggested), some exercise and a bit of good philosophy. You've had quite the authority and the energy in the past (10th House)
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And if you allow me to express a brief opinion about this, I personaly think that the description of mental disorder/illness has found its best explanation in the pages of the New Testament, than in the words of a Freud and/or some others modern drug sellers

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LibraGirl92
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posted July 24, 2015 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LibraGirl92     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you to the people that read my chart :-) sorry for the late reply. I had a difficult childhood with a lot of emotional trauma I had a father who had been locked up since I was born a mom who couldn't take care of mevwoth how young she was and a grandma (dads mom) who controlled everything around her.I was also molested by my cousin ( my grandmas oldest daughter youngest son when I was either 7 or 8 and told no one until a few years later and looking back I felt it was precieved by my grandma as nothing and since I told nothing was done and was never brought up again. Mind you that statement is the first time I have ever told anyone about it. There have been numerous of times I found myself talking to myself but I'm sure a lot of people have done that.

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