posted July 29, 2015 02:48 PM            

What in your chart makes you adore it?

I am close to worshiping Katharine Hepburn in Sylvia Scarlett, Julie Andrews in Victor Victoria, Glenn Close with short hair, Grace Jones, David Bowie, Tilda Swindon (venerate her), Jenny Shimizu, Elly Jackson, Robin Wright with short hair, Jared Leto, add if I forgot someone

What I thank for this in my chart:

Sun square Moon (destroying gender differences)
Moon square Venus (s*rew the "femininity")
masculine Moon in 11H conjunct Uranus (so obvious)
Mars inconjunct Neptune (all men must have otherwordly aura)
lots of Uranus
lost of Mercury
Pluto square DSC (b*tch please don't be so conventional, let's just tear those rules apart)
Aqua ASC (funny thing, I absolutely love Jennifer Lawrence, despite her commercial career, turns out our Ascendents conjunct exact and she cut her hair short shortly after me )

posted July 29, 2015 02:57 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
I love androgyny. I think it has to do with my Adonis conjunct the Ascendant in Libra.

I feel Libra men are very androgynous.

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Hm, haven't noticed it with Libra men, more with Pisces, but I just haven't been so attentive about that, it's possible but I can definitely see it with Libra women

Hm, do you also look more androgynous because of Adonis asteroid?

posted July 29, 2015 03:07 PM            

I think it might be my sun opp. moon, opp. mars Cause I am a female myself, but those are very strong masculine aspects. And my venus is in scorpio and very weak. But my chart is build up on feminine signs (virgo, cancer and pisces) And also cancer ascendant.
I could never really look like an androgynes person myself, but love to look at others.

posted July 29, 2015 05:53 PM            

Belba, where is your Eros? (If you don't mind sharing..)

posted July 29, 2015 07:05 PM            

yeah, Gemini is definitely a lover of all things ambiguous. I mean, I should know, Gem Mars, Gem 5H cusp and all Prince is like an epitome, also don't forget Boy George!

@next to neptune
they are also gorgeous to me, and also when you're not sure about the sex, it makes look twice and just eye them a bit and revel in their uniqueness.

It's definitely the aspects you mentioned, tense aspects between traditionally masculine and feminine planets can in my opinion result in unconventional views on gender etc. Hey my Venus is supposed to be weak too (I don't really put too much weight on those debiliations and stuff), maybe the strong Venuses would prefer more "feminine" looks for women.

I do know a cancer rising girl, and she's pulling off the androgyny style, sooo, no excuses but then, she's Gem Moon.
just to look is quite fine. I'm kinda leaning more and more towards the look, but I'll probably never be as sharp as the ladies I mentioned, we'll see where I'll stop, it's real fun though.

don't you have Gem Mars (or maybe Virgo), if I remember correctly? then no wonder your taste in men

@Orange
wow, that's a daring look, sharp!_ You totally pulled it off. Definitely androgynous. You remind me a bit of Sinead (maybe it's just because of the hairstyle though, and how have I forgotten her, being androgynous, even before it became trendy for women) How come you shaved your head, if you don't mind me asking
I personally think one should do it at least once in their lives.
Mutable energy can be so daring and taking risks, love it!

@ReadingTheStars95

No, don't mind at all. I had to look into it actually, haven't got a clue... My Eros is in Cancer, 6H, conjunct Chiron and inconjunct Moon, also conjunct South Node by a wide orb. I'm gonna google this, you've awoken my curiosity on this one.

posted July 29, 2015 07:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
Gemini men are androgynous.

Prince and Lenny Kravitz love to perform in fouffy shirts and heels. Dave Navarro loves his black nail polish. It goes with the whole "twin" thing.

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Good observation.

Also Russell Brand....I love him.

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I don't think androgyny looks good on everyone...it's kind of a matter of physical appearance and style...it can be done well or badly, in my opinion.

In my youth, I always sorta leaned towards Doc Martens, baggy jeans, t-shirts, short hair...call that whatever you will. I felt masculine.

Got tired of that and completely changed my tune, owned up to being female, and that was a nice change of pace.

posted July 29, 2015 07:11 PM            

I have a "masculine" chart, though what that means is that I'm more of a go-getter rather than being more subtle/magnetic. I did get shunted with the boys (and shunned by girls in my neighborhood for years) at a young age which made a difference but that's only part of it.

Take skateboarding, when I was 11 I saw a girl in The Crow use a skateboard and it was just so cool to me that I wanted a skateboard. Back then that was a guy thing which others tried to tell me but I didn't care, to me it was "what I want" thing and didn't care that it was mostly boys. I associated it with Sarah the girl. And then when Granny got it for me at 14 I associated it with sentiment and love, still not guy things.

But some people even to this day cannot see it as anything other than willful rebellion against gender roles and even some sort of "penis envy." (At the time many also believed I did it just to get guys, which I suppose is similar to the belief that women only go to college to "earn her MRS" which is to say find a husband with money, though when I went a long time without a boyfriend then girls started saying I was just a **** sleeping with all the guys.) Because THEY associate it with boys they think that therefore I associate it with boys because they mistake their subjective views for an objective one that is "obvious" to everyone and therefore I could only want to thrash either to get a boy or to be a boy, nothing else was possible to them. And while I was aware that I was the only girl (at the time where I was) to "thrash" my "masculine" placements made it so I didn't care (especially my Sag stellium). To me, in my gut, I wasn't being "masculine" I was just being me and I associated it with Sarah the girl skating and the love of my grandmother.

My Sag stellium seemed to bring out the tomboy in me as well (plus Libra stellium and Linda Goodman wrote how "balanced" Libra tends to be in gender traits, whether or not it's obvious at first glance, so I'm balanced and then have a heaping dose of Sag poured on) and combined with the Texas heat (and often vehicles with no AC) I found it best to keep my hair short. My athletic hobbies contributed greatly to keeping the fat off my body which interfered with my ability to turn into a woman so that all combined to give me an androgynous appearance (and when homeless at 15 I could pass myself off as a boy when I wanted to) and even up to age 21 some lesbians called me a "boi" (though by then I'd gone through puberty) and it was to the point that I was still getting carded at times to even get into a R-rated movie!

Exploring my own sexuality, gender, and all that would continue over the next few years but I'm feeling too tired to share that. Thing is, I finally did explore "being a boy" and then "being female" in more traditional ways and I believe I loved androgyny in others because it appealed to my own search for my own identity and place in society and also because that seemed "freest" with "the most options" (the least limited). Once I felt I reached a pinnacle of self-understanding, however, then it all mattered less to me (though androgyny is still intriguing and attractive to me, as are exotic looks of all kinds).

posted July 29, 2015 07:42 PM            

I think you pulled it off well. I agree with Belba..you look a bit like Sinead.

posted July 29, 2015 07:57 PM            

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If they are physically effeminate, but straight, I actually don't mind that, if they can meet the challenge by compensating (projecting masculinity) in other ways.

posted July 29, 2015 08:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Belba:
@ReadingTheStars95

No, don't mind at all. I had to look into it actually, haven't got a clue... My Eros is in Cancer, 6H, conjunct Chiron and inconjunct Moon, also conjunct South Node by a wide orb. I'm gonna google this, you've awoken my curiosity on this one.

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I have it in Pisces, in the 6th house. I feel it plays a pretty big role, actually.

Sometimes I wonder if that placement relates with the fact that I am Pansexual. However, I feel that is only a small part of the role it plays in my chart.

It is also conjunct my Venus/Neptune midpoint.

I feel Eros is often overlooked. Personally, I think it plays a pretty big role in the types of relationships I look for.

posted July 30, 2015 09:04 AM            

I'll be back later.

posted July 30, 2015 09:09 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I like when men are structurally and vocally so masculine that you cannot help but know they're straight (ie, available) and yet they are confident enough to gender bend a little bit. Like Elvis.

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If they are physically effeminate, but straight, I actually don't mind that, if they can meet the challenge by compensating (projecting masculinity) in other ways.

Well I'm not single but sometimes I speak as one who, historically, has had her opinions.

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posted July 30, 2015 07:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
Gemini men are androgynous.

Prince and Lenny Kravitz love to perform in fouffy shirts and heels. Dave Navarro loves his black nail polish. It goes with the whole "twin" thing.

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John Wayne
Clint Eastwood
Liam Neeson
Christopher Lee
Audie Murphy

posted July 30, 2015 07:35 PM            

I like to dress tomboy-ish on a daily basis and can also rock a gown on occasions.

posted July 30, 2015 08:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Belba:
Sun square Moon (destroying gender differences)
masculine Moon in 11H conjunct Uranus (so obvious)

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I'm an Aquarius Sun with Scorpio Moon in the eleventh house (Aquarius) and my Sun/Moon midpoint is conjunct Uranus by 0°01.

Could the love for androgyny be a combination of the Sun, Moon, and Uranus?

posted July 31, 2015 12:06 AM              

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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
John Wayne
Clint Eastwood
Liam Neeson
Christopher Lee
Audie Murphy

Just sayin'

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They're all over 60 (two of them are dead now) and a different generation. Just sayin'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4594iO5SU-0