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Topic: 12th House bad rep needs to go! Tell me something you love about this placement!
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bananaz
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From: Orlando, FL USA
Registered: Feb 2015
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posted August 08, 2015 01:14 AM
  
Tell me something you love about this placement! There's so much negativity surrounding this house, and it really irritates me when I hear astrologers go on and on about how doomed you are if you were born with your sun (or any planet for that matter) in the 12th. I'd love it if we can shed some positive light on this house. In astrology, there's a good side/bad side with every sign & house. So why does the 12th get such a bad rep? With my sun and stellium in the 12th house/Pisces, I don't feel like I've led a sad, miserable life. Yes, I have a lot of the negative cliches, but my experience (so far) has been mostly good. So I'll start: -My 12th house reassures me we're all here for a reason. Never for one moment have I doubted that. -My 12th house venus & mercury gave me a beautiful imagination, one that led into a career in writing. -My sun there removes egos & pretenses, allowing me to befriend anyone, not because of status, wealth or physical attraction, but simply because they're human. -Jupiter expands my love for all things this house rules including astrology, mediation, intuition, hypnosis, the subconscious, goodwill, healing, etc -Lastly, I was blessed with a huge appreciation for my mother. Although the 12th removes the father, I never felt that absence. So if you have this placement, and are worried, don't be. If I can survive 4 planets there as a perfectly normal, thriving adult, anyone can  IP: Logged |
RoseLily
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posted August 08, 2015 01:27 AM
I don't know if it counts, but I have Saturn in twelfth conj AC, and I wouldn't place it anywhere else.
It's this slow, yet meaningful, building of confidence throughout the year, added to an acute sense of duty and responsibility.
It makes me into the strong, independent women I always wanted to be, and I know that it will make me able to grow even stronger as the year passes by. Seriously, Saturn in twelfth may seem scary as hell, but it's actually a placement I love despite the downside IP: Logged |
bananaz
Knowflake Posts: 114
From: Orlando, FL USA
Registered: Feb 2015
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posted August 08, 2015 01:42 AM
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Originally posted by RoseLily:
I don't know if it counts, but I have Saturn in twelfth conj AC, and I wouldn't place it anywhere else.
It's this slow, yet meaningful, building of confidence throughout the year, added to an acute sense of duty and responsibility.
It makes me into the strong, independent women I always wanted to be, and I know that it will make me able to grow even stronger as the year passes by. Seriously, Saturn in twelfth may seem scary as hell, but it's actually a placement I love despite the downside
Exactly. And yes, it counts. If you can undertake Saturn, the lord of lessons, in the 12th and come out stronger AND get rewarded, that in itself is a beautiful thing. IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted August 08, 2015 01:50 AM
bananaz, i really appreciated your perspective. Do you think Jupiter in your 12th house stellium made a significant difference in the way you experienced it? IP: Logged |
RoseLily
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posted August 08, 2015 02:01 AM
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Originally posted by bananaz:
Exactly.And yes, it counts. If you can undertake Saturn, the lord of lessons, in the 12th and come out stronger AND get rewarded, that in itself is a beautiful thing.
As Belage said, you really have a great perspective of this house IP: Logged |
Venusincap89
Knowflake Posts: 921
From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted August 08, 2015 02:35 AM
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Originally posted by RoseLily:
I don't know if it counts, but I have Saturn in twelfth conj AC, and I wouldn't place it anywhere else.
It's this slow, yet meaningful, building of confidence throughout the year, added to an acute sense of duty and responsibility.
It makes me into the strong, independent women I always wanted to be, and I know that it will make me able to grow even stronger as the year passes by. Seriously, Saturn in twelfth may seem scary as hell, but it's actually a placement I love despite the downside
If your Saturn shows same sign as your rising/ASC sign... you have Saturn in the 1st house IP: Logged |
Venusincap89
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From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted August 08, 2015 02:39 AM
I have debilitated Jupiter retrograde in 12th house.. and I am still young and there is a lot more for me to learn, but I am really proud and satisfied of my internal/inward growth.
Idk, if my grand trine in water signs should take more credits but... I love my jupiter regardless~IP: Logged |
bananaz
Knowflake Posts: 114
From: Orlando, FL USA
Registered: Feb 2015
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posted August 08, 2015 02:46 AM
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Originally posted by Belage:
bananaz, i really appreciated your perspective. Do you think Jupiter in your 12th house stellium made a significant difference in the way you experienced it?
It's possible Jupiter offers it's optimism and luck in that area, but it also expands everything around it. So whatever is good/ bad, there will be more of those traits. Even with Jupiter there, I feel like the native can live a pretty normal life IP: Logged |
bananaz
Knowflake Posts: 114
From: Orlando, FL USA
Registered: Feb 2015
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posted August 08, 2015 02:52 AM
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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
I have debilitated Jupiter retrograde in 12th house.. and I am still young and there is a lot more for me to learn, but I am really proud and satisfied of my internal/inward growth.
Idk, if my grand trine in water signs should take more credits but... I love my jupiter regardless~
Your chart sounds like your internal/ subconcious world is meant to expand tremendously, and there is no greater gift than to know yourself Even debilitated (which to me sounds like the rest of the world is not on the same wavelength) it sounds like a good placementIP: Logged |
12muddy
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posted August 08, 2015 04:43 AM
Lol I have sun, merc, venus, neptune and uranus in the 12th house. Sometimes when I read 12th house descriptions I feel like they describe some character from Les Misérables. It's not that bad, and it has many perks. Vivid dreams, imagination, the source of my creativity and eternal hope. What's not to love. Hope is the main thing that has carried me through many hardships and kept my sanity intact. IP: Logged |
NYCdodger
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posted August 08, 2015 08:47 AM
When you think you have nothing left, the 12th house opens up and shows that you have a lot more than you realize....Thats my experience Saturn Uranus and Neptune in my 12th IP: Logged |
tgem
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posted August 08, 2015 08:50 AM
I have moon and venus in the 12th. Yes, I have always felt I'm here for a special purpose. Moon gives me very strong intuition. Venus has blessed me with strong unconditional love for people in general, a dreamy romantic nature and an extremely vivid imagination. IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted August 08, 2015 09:09 AM
I have an unaspected 12th house moon....I like my emotional maturity. The fact that I don't need others to grow and evolve I do it alone and typically do it faster than others without 12th house placements. I love deeply and I can't help it or stop it. I understand pain and lonliness effortlessly, I have a great ability to empathize.
Spirituality comes from within, I don't go to other places to understand God or the universe I go inside myself and the answers come to me. Others come to me to for answers. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
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posted August 08, 2015 09:51 AM
Jupiter in the twelfth really helps in dealing with twelfth house territory which doesn't come naturally for everyone. fifth/eleventh are the natural enjoyment houses while sixth/twelfth are considered chores/difficulty. IP: Logged |
yellowelevator
Knowflake Posts: 434
From: Michigan/Neptune
Registered: Nov 2013
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posted August 08, 2015 10:29 AM
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Originally posted by Gabby:
I have an unaspected 12th house moon....I like my emotional maturity. The fact that I don't need others to grow and evolve I do it alone and typically do it faster than others without 12th house placements. I love deeply and I can't help it or stop it. I understand pain and lonliness effortlessly, I have a great ability to empathize.
Spirituality comes from within, I don't go to other places to understand God or the universe I go inside myself and the answers come to me. Others come to me to for answers.
Oh, this, so much! Very well said. Twelfth house Moon here as well, and Mars. Relate to and agree with this wholeheartedly. IP: Logged |
Belage
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From: USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 08, 2015 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
When you think you have nothing left, the 12th house opens up and shows that you have a lot more than you realize....Thats my experience Saturn Uranus and Neptune in my 12th
Cool take on 12th house. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
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posted August 08, 2015 02:09 PM
Any 12th house Jupiters feel the need to help those less fortunate or suffering in some way? I am very empathic toward them and feel sad when I cannot help. IP: Logged |
DopGang
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posted August 08, 2015 06:26 PM
Mercury, Venus, mars. Sometimes I keep secrets that don't have any reason to be secrets. I just don't share a lot of things and this can be frustrating for some people. Sometimes I just don't feel like talking. Now to put a positive spin on it. I love living in my own head. It's like an escape and place for gathering myself. It's sort of like carrying a vacation home in your pocket. Always there when you need it. I know I didn't say much. I'm on my phone but I LOVE my 12th. What once felt like my doom now feels like a necessity to my well being. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted August 08, 2015 09:08 PM
That's so true about my twelfth house Mercury. I don't like questions and tend to be naturally evasive when interrogated or interviewed. I do, however, like asking them! IP: Logged |
bananaz
Knowflake Posts: 114
From: Orlando, FL USA
Registered: Feb 2015
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posted August 09, 2015 04:48 AM
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Originally posted by 12muddy:
Sometimes when I read 12th house descriptions I feel like they describe some character from Les Misérables.
LOL!!! I feel the same. quote:
Vivid dreams, imagination, the source of my creativity and eternal hope. What's not to love. Hope is the main thing that has carried me through many hardships and kept my sanity intact.[/B]
These are traits that astrologers often overlook when discussing the 12th house! Love this! IP: Logged |
bananaz
Knowflake Posts: 114
From: Orlando, FL USA
Registered: Feb 2015
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posted August 09, 2015 04:53 AM
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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
When you think you have nothing left, the 12th house opens up and shows that you have a lot more than you realize....Thats my experience Saturn Uranus and Neptune in my 12th
I always enjoy your take on things! Also I feel like there's a story behind this. Would you mind giving an example? IP: Logged |
bananaz
Knowflake Posts: 114
From: Orlando, FL USA
Registered: Feb 2015
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posted August 09, 2015 05:11 AM
Mercury in the 12th also carries many unfair misconceptions.Mercury in the 12th is vague. I've heard astrologers refer to it as an "unintelligent" placement, which is insulting and a poor attempt to understand its nature there. Mercury in the 12th can mean artistic intelligence. Maybe you express yourself best through music, painting, or writing like me. Or sometimes I've seen mercury in the 12th act as a voice for the needy, the sick, poor, etc. I've also seen mercury there as psychic ability, empathy, communication that's connected to the subconscious, dreams and meditation. It's an intelligence most people don't see or understand, and I think that's why many astrologers write it off as unintelligent. It's harder for mercury 12th to express itself in the same way other houses/ signs do because this form of communication doesn't live in the physical world. I'll be the first to admit that I speak very slooooowly, but my imagination is always working in overdrive. Good astrologers will recognize the difference. We all have favorite placements and signs but that doesn't make one better than another. IP: Logged |
EmGem
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posted August 09, 2015 08:12 AM
tell me something good about having NN, Pluto and Uranus in the 12th please IP: Logged |
NYCdodger
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posted August 09, 2015 08:23 AM
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Originally posted by bananaz:
I always enjoy your take on things! Also I feel like there's a story behind this. Would you mind giving an example?
Well I go through "dry" periods in my life. It can be in terms of confidence, creativity, and direction. My moon in the 9th squares these planets so i feel it deeply. Some of my relationships have suffered because of this as well. But those dry spells never last long, and the more i deal with it the shorter and shorter they get. An astrologer once said that the 12th house represents gifts you have that you are unaware of, so whenever i think I am "out of gas" something happens and i realize i have a lot more than I THINK. I also have a mystic rectangle pattern in my chart and this may also play a role. Best way to deal with the 12th house issues are to just suck it up. They become a blessing in the end. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted August 09, 2015 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by bananaz:
Mercury in the 12th also carries many unfair misconceptions.Mercury in the 12th is vague. I've heard astrologers refer to it as an "unintelligent" placement, which is insulting and a poor attempt to understand its nature there. Mercury in the 12th can mean artistic intelligence. Maybe you express yourself best through music, painting, or writing like me. Or sometimes I've seen mercury in the 12th act as a voice for the needy, the sick, poor, etc. I've also seen mercury there as psychic ability, empathy, communication that's connected to the subconscious, dreams and meditation. It's an intelligence most people don't see or understand, and I think that's why many astrologers write it off as unintelligent. It's harder for mercury 12th to express itself in the same way other houses/ signs do because this form of communication doesn't live in the physical world. I'll be the first to admit that I speak very slooooowly, but my imagination is always working in overdrive. Good astrologers will recognize the difference. We all have favorite placements and signs but that doesn't make one better than another.
People either think I am totally stupid or above average intelligence (if they superficially know me as an acquaintance) or they think I am totally stupid only to change their mind once they get to know me. That's the most common response I get. They are quite shocked at the level of intelligence because they expect something opposite. I have Uranus conjunct Mercury in the twelfth so you can imagine how much of a jolt something like that can have on others.
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