posted August 14, 2015 06:33 AM            

But i don't really see that in his chart. Do you?

The BT is correct.

posted August 14, 2015 07:42 AM            

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He has a power of inspiring people, of leading the masses behind him.

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He definitely has the power to inspire... but I'm not so sure about following through on his promises.

posted August 14, 2015 07:56 AM              

"A person with an Expression or Life Path that reduces down fully to an 11 or 22 are said to be endowed with special gifts of high-level inspiration and leadership, but their life may also be very challenging and highly paradoxical. For instance: Michael Jordan, Bill Clinton, and Tim McGraw, are number 11's, and: John Assaraf, Dean Martin, and Sir Richard Branson are 22's."

There are longer descriptions on both numbers here– http://www.tokenrock.com/numerology/master_numbers/

posted August 14, 2015 08:29 AM            

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posted August 14, 2015 12:42 PM            

17 Gemini has a declination of 22N49. That puts it potentially contra-parallel Mercury [22S19], Mars [23S30], Neptune [22S10], even possibly Venus [22S19]. These planets in Parallel aspect to each other include one of the strongest types of planetary aspects for politicians, Mercury-Mars. A politician, almost by necessity, needs a Mercury-Mars, Mercury-Pluto, or Mercury-Jupiter aspect if they do not have a strong Sun-Mercury aspect.

Secondly, power is always anchored by either the Sun or Pluto (or both). Notice the conjunction of Saturn and Pluto in a cardinal sign, Libra. The cardinal signs are especially those that contain the potential for such personalities to initiate, to move groups in a particular direction, to influence. Notice also that in this chart taken 'as-is' Saturn-Pluto are square the MC. That is a very driving, very political aspect. Such a person is often interested not only in advancement and influence, but control. If indeed this chart is correct, this is not a person to go un-checked, but should be watched like a hawk.

So we are already seeing a number of factors that can be channeled in a projective manner (opposition/contra-parallels, driving Saturn-Pluto aspects) for influence that can go beyond that into control or manipulation. Many politicians constantly tread the line between influence and manipulation.

Mars is also in a cardinal sign, Capricorn, an excellent leadership/executive placement, and appears to be in contra-parallel to the Asc. That lends its cardinal qualities of initiative to this mutable air Asc.

Mars in Cap at 23S30 declination is parallel the South Node 23S22. So this person has probably enacted control and influence in past lives and it is familiar to them.

Also notice that Mercury and Venus are closely conjunct in Sagittarius, facilitating 'big talk' in a way that should come across well for many listeners. Mercury is also conjunct Uranus, which is a strategic mentality that can often be a step or two or three ahead of opponents or the masses. Sagittarius, the cardinal signs, Gemini, and Scorpio are the signs that offer the most potential for an individual to successfully cultivate a public persona in the political realm and influence others.

Sun in Sag also conjunct Uranus. This also facilitates relationship with the masses.

So this person is actually pretty Uranian. If a conservative, may be a bit technocratic or an 'anti-' contrarian type.

The Problems

There is a ceiling to this person's political ambitions due to the following:

- Moon in Pisces square to Neptune. This shows internal instability, and almost certainly gaping hypocrisies unless the person is firmly guided day-to-day in a very spiritual way. That is the only savior to such a configuration for a person so invested in influencing the public. The Moon's trine to Jupiter only increases these tendencies rather than remedying it.

This person's chart shows potential for projecting such internal instabilities, anxieties onto others by appealing to fear instead of hope. This person will almost certainly have a scandal of some type and experience as setback to their ambitions. Or they may have some type of crisis of conscience that causes them to pull back a bit at some point.

- Sun-Merc-Venus conjunct/parallel Uranus in Sagittarius. This increases the likelihood that one confuses outwardly professed philosophies as a public person with what one is inside. That is to say, the projective dynamic taking over personal narrative. If the person is a conservative politically, I don't believe that they are consistent with this at home or in their private life. They are almost certainly more liberal with themselves and loved ones than what they suggest is proper for the public.

Right now this person has been enjoying some benefits of Pluto transiting natal southern points Sun, Uranus, Venus, Neptune. Soon Mercury will be transited by Pluto as well. The question is what will they do later with Pluto's transit parallel Mars-South Node, say from 2024-34. That period could bring some problems if the person is not honest, ethical, and guided by personal spiritual values.

A Gemini rising chart with Moon in Pisces, high accents of mutability, and strong Uranus factors is shaky for a politician unless they are anchored by a rock solid mate and iron-forged integrity.

posted August 14, 2015 02:51 PM              

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Originally posted by Selene:
He's 11. I will comment more later, cause i know him kind of personally.

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posted August 14, 2015 04:31 PM              

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Originally posted by DopGang:
How do you know if it's a master number?
I mean I know what they are basically but why wouldn't an 11 be a 2?

See what I'm getting at?
Mine is either 33 or 6 but how do I know which?

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posted August 14, 2015 04:55 PM              

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Originally posted by DopGang:
Oh, I was just looking. I guess it depends on the method used.
So I guess I'm a master number 33 using one method and 6 using another.

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posted August 14, 2015 05:07 PM              

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Originally posted by DopGang:
Sweet! Thank you. I've read 6. Now I'll go read 33 and see what's up.

Edit: whoa! It totally goes with my natal placements!

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posted August 14, 2015 06:16 PM            

Chiron in 12th -
This signifies the potential to experience cosmic immersion, to enter deeply into mysticism. Mysticism is a conscious choice, and one that comes naturally with this Chiron placement. The twelfth house is ruled by Neptune, who connects us with the realms beyond time and rationalism. Finding methods to develop the right brain functions [intuition, imagination, dreams and symbolism], connect us with the power of twelfth house Chiron, and bring awareness into multi-dimensional relational thought patterns. You are deeply intuitive and aware of the non-physical realms of reality. Your mind is intensely curious and probing, and you are able to give your gift as you cultivate that inner knowing and allow conscious awareness of previous lifetimes to emerge. You have come in this time to fulfill a very high purpose. The path may be a difficult one, because the goal is very high.

Chiron in Taurus -
Your life embodies a search for values on the physical plane, and it becomes critically important for you to identify what is right or wrong, permanent or ephemeral. You are likely not the initiator, but you have a strong drive to preserve the values you support in something that already exists. The house position of Chiron in Taurus shows the type of values you are interested in. Do not underestimate the value of your contribution because you are not the inventor of something new and unique in the world. Your work is as a preserver of values, and your role is crucial. You probably have the ability to do very well with very little.

The sign and house placements of his Chiron create an interesting dynamic: he has the potential to experience cosmic immersion, but his life embodies a search for values on the physical plane.

posted August 16, 2015 06:55 AM              

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Originally posted by DopGang:
Sorry Selene for the hijack.

Both sound very accurate as well as being inline with my chart.
HOWEVER, it's more true of my heart than of my actions, which is unfortunate.

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"These three Master numbers have profoundly powerful meanings, and when they appear in your chart, they can hint at difficulty. But Master numbers are often not well understood -- they can be just as much of a curse as they can be a blessing. They give you insight into obstacles by calling upon your patience and maturity -- and a lot of effort -- to peacefully integrate these elements into your personality. If you, personally, can master these Master numbers in your chart, however, they can be the most powerful, productive numbers of all."