posted August 24, 2015 01:11 PM            

The aspects I think are causing this in my natal are Scorp ASC with pluto in 1st and mars and the moon conjunct in my 8th house gemini.

Basically, people either love me or hate me, some are really nice and friendly, others treat me like a creep and are really suspicious of me. I've fallen out with people because they would 'investigate' me behind my back, for example, I've had old housemates rummage through my room and my computer history whilst I'm out. People seem to want to find dirt to dig up and use against me for some reason.

Others who are insecure about something, accuse me of being mean to them or simply thinking something negative about them, without me even mentioning anything. 'I think, you think I'm stupid' 'I feel like you think I'm a **** ' etc and I'm always baffled and those are usually the people who are nice to me initially.

The others who think I'm a creep tend to try and find hidden meanings in the things I say despite me usually being quite upfront and precise with the things that I say. I've been called all sorts of things by different people who aren't connected. Like "hannibal", "schitzo", "rapist" etc. Trust me, I'm far from any of these things! However, these comments tend to be from other guys, I don't really get that reaction from women, who don't mind at all introducing themselves to me and initiating contact/friendships.(I'm male.) But that doesn't stop those women from thinking I'm judging them and getting weird and sensitive around me either.
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posted August 24, 2015 02:12 PM            

I do get strange reactions. I remember back when I was dating - some women warmed up immediately, telling me things and wanting to come to my place. (THEY would suggest it, not me!)
Other times they would just cancel dates. One time a woman just stood me up. I text her a few times, just wanting to know what went wrong. Finally, she said that she "got bad vibes and decided to cancer." I didn't question about the bad vibes or anything. If she felt them, she's wrong, but fine. I just told her, "Well the right thing would have been to at least tell me that you were no longer interested."

posted August 24, 2015 02:22 PM            

I feel exactly the same way.

It's been aggravated by Pluto transiting over my descendant the past few years.

Nearly all of my friends have an 8th house stellium and quite a few Pluto aspects, but none of them tend to provoke the same intensity of reaction as I do.

I have had many people say, "I feel like you don't like me," even when I haven't spoken about them or to them for a day in my life. They either try obsessively to "win my favor back" or they demonize me.

posted August 24, 2015 02:40 PM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
Saturn transit Scorpio might be a problem too

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posted August 24, 2015 02:50 PM            

He comes on strong and he seemed very intense at first. He wasn't as lighthearted as I now know him to be and he was always trying to figure out where I was, what I was doing and who I was doing it with - we weren't officially dating yet.

posted August 24, 2015 03:00 PM            

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Originally posted by socialgraffiti:
I have had many people say, "I feel like you don't like me," even when I haven't spoken about them or to them for a day in my life. They either try obsessively to "win my favor back" or they demonize me.

I had one colleague who told me, "You just make people really insecure." And I think, what did I do? [/B]

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This rings so true for me! I'd love to know what causes it. I think it may be something to do with how stoic I am, I don't react to things as quickly or emotionally as other people and I think this gives them the impression that I don't care.

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Originally posted by theunknown:
Saturn transit Scorpio might be a problem too

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posted August 24, 2015 03:07 PM            

Some people know to call me when they must and know an anonymous good deed was by me because "no one else would do it (and remain anonymous) or even think of it." OTOH, some think I worship the devil...even literally! (Whereas some think to call me for help when they're sick others think I'm the one who cast a spell to make them sick in the first place! )

There are some who constantly feel insecure next to me. The most innocent statements are examined for personal attacks or their having offended me. Or conversely getting offended, say if I say something and assume they know what I'm talking about then they feel dumb and feel I'm "flaunting" my intelligence to make them feel bad and yet if I then explain what I'm talking about next time then I'm "talking down to them" so I can't win, either way they feel insecure and obviously I'm doing it on purpose (reminds of guys who feel attracted to me and think I'm intentionally teasing them just by showing basic courtesy). I have to distance myself from them as I'll become just as neurotic if I don't and I long ago realized there is simply no getting along with them because they will always feel insecure and assume I'm doing it to them on purpose, no matter what I say and do.

And yet others assume I'm a kindred spirit even when I think of myself as just friendly to them (or fellow traveler at best) and are very surprised to learn there is a lot more to me than they thought or that I don't actually embrace everything they do. In one case a goth argued me when I said I wasn't really a goth and she made such a damn good case for it that I had to reconsider.

It can change in a heartbeat, too. Like one Alabaman family who I used to be neighbors with assumed I was much like them even though I wasn't (and I don't know how they perceived some things about me that should have clued them in) but one day one called me over as I was walking home and inside they were watching the 2005 King Kong as King Kong was tearing up NYC and one wondered if this was based on a true story. I clamped down on the part of me that wanted to play with their heads but then one asked me since I "always seem to know stuff." I said, "Snopes might say" but then I let a little of my Sag stellium out as I said, "But maybe, after all the Principia Discordia did say King Kong died for our sins." They didn't know what that was and as I explained it I went from "kindred spirit" to "disturbing neighbor" even for just knowing about such a book and they kept me at a distance after that.

And my questions and comments (no matter how innocent) as a child could be problematic for some adults and many teachers let me read and write in class on the understanding I didn't ask questions or participate in class discussions. Some teachers literally cringed when I raised my hand and even ignored my hand completely. They just could handle my Pluto-mercury (in stellium) or Sag frankness (especially when Mars-Uranus decided to express themselves). Though that said a couple of teachers loved me and thought I needed to be in a school for the gifted.

But I've always had friends I could say anything I want with (and they with me) and we enjoyed each other. Some of them say they like having me around because they know they can say things they can't in front of anyone else without me freaking, that is they don't have to window dress.

posted August 24, 2015 03:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Soltze:
You're not the only one.
It's a bit more extreme for you but I also have 8th house planets in Scorpio. So I totally get you.
People will come out of the woods just to beat me (women)
Men like me until they get scared from some reason and stop talking without further explanations...

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Why are men so afraid of us??
I've been told more times than I care to count that is make someone(a man) feel so much that they can't handle it! There feelings are to deep and intense they get scared and run. Then come back crying so sorry begging for another chance only to get scared and run again. This cycle usually only last about 3 to 5 go arounds before they have gotten me to the point of no return and killed my feelings.

How can a shrimp of girl with not an ounce of mean(well not that I like to show outwardly) scare big strong men to death only by loving them in the only way she knows to love, deeply and intensely? Why is that so terrifying?
You know what I've heard over n over is that I'm a girl who will adjust to fit someone else...I'm the type of girl that would be faithful to the death, I'm the type that you didn't know was real, you thought she was only a myth because the way I love is so much more than average....I blame libra Pluto/Venus conjunct on my AC! Venus is my chart ruler and my taurus 8th house ruler.

posted August 24, 2015 03:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Why are men so afraid of us??
I've been told more times than I care to count that is make someone(a man) feel so much that they can't handle it! There feelings are to deep and intense they get scared and run. Then come back crying so sorry begging for another chance only to get scared and run again. This cycle usually only last about 3 to 5 go arounds before they have gotten me to the point of no return and killed my feelings.

How can a shrimp of girl with not an ounce of mean(well not that I like to show outwardly) scare big strong men to death only by loving them in the only way she knows to love, deeply and intensely? Why is that so terrifying?
You know what I've heard over n over is that I'm a girl who will adjust to fit someone else...I'm the type of girl that would be faithful to the death, I'm the type that you didn't know was real, you thought she was only a myth because the way I love is so much more than average....I blame libra Pluto/Venus conjunct on my AC! Venus is my chart ruler and my taurus 8th house ruler.

So why are they so terrified? What's so scary about me?

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They dont think they can give the same back or doubts crop up about how can someone be like that. Thats why plutonians end up with each other or plutonians end up with saturnians because they both are too serious for others to bear.

I've been told repeatedly that I rile up to easily. That's hardly the case. I'm calm but passionate so I state my opinions with passion. But I go through my life unfazed by most things.

Also when I'm serious, other guys just seem to be taken aback.

You just have to accept that not everyone is comfortable with intensity so they try to find scapegoat for their feelings. They want to blame YOU for the way they feel because you stir up something deep in their subconscious mind and it's scary for them. It's humiliating to admit their own darker side. So they blame you as the jealous one, the scary one, the intense one.

posted August 24, 2015 04:28 PM            

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So why are they so terrified? What's so scary about me?[/B]

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