posted August 24, 2015 04:48 PM            

Under some descriptions of this aspect it says something like ... You feel like there is always a price to pay for happiness or, love/pleasure doesn't come easy

There are so many sources of joy that I can identify in life but an obstacle always seems to come along with it. Even dream scenarios have some little problem that threatens to ruin the whole thing or rather, my enjoyment of it.

Just thinking as I write but I've had to work hard on correcting thoughts that I don't deserve to be happy. Other times things have flowed more when I've found pleasure within a saturn realm / mode or created discipline around venus matters. Tbh this is very much work in progress so not sure that's the best approach but maybe others will have similar exp

posted August 24, 2015 05:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Koniucha:
I have Venus conjunct Saturn, so I understand the feeling. I guess there is this part of me that says, there really is no one out there for you or I don't really deserve to be loved. It's hard.

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posted August 24, 2015 10:01 PM            

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Originally posted by florence:I know what you mean. I've venus in 7th/taurus square saturn in 9th/Leo.

Under some descriptions of this aspect it says something like ... You feel like there is always a price to pay for happiness or, love/pleasure doesn't come easy

There are so many sources of joy that I can identify in life but an obstacle always seems to come along with it. Even dream scenarios have some little problem that threatens to ruin the whole thing or rather, my enjoyment of it.

Just thinking as I write but I've had to work hard on correcting thoughts that I don't deserve to be happy. Other times things have flowed more when I've found pleasure within a saturn realm / mode or created discipline around venus matters. Tbh this is very much work in progress so not sure that's the best approach but maybe others will have similar exp

I think the best thing I've learnt that I can feed back into this aspect positively is discernment. In your e.g maybe only getting to know people you are interested in (rather than letting others decide a friendship). Know for myself I never valued myself enough so let others dictate if they wanted to be friends and also most of how the friendship worked. Just realised too, wonder if it's related, friends always revolved around work set-ups for me

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posted August 24, 2015 10:34 PM            

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by florence:I know what you mean. I've venus in 7th/taurus square saturn in 9th/Leo.

[b]Under some descriptions of this aspect it says something like ... You feel like there is always a price to pay for happiness or, love/pleasure doesn't come easy

There are so many sources of joy that I can identify in life but an obstacle always seems to come along with it. Even dream scenarios have some little problem that threatens to ruin the whole thing or rather, my enjoyment of it.

Just thinking as I write but I've had to work hard on correcting thoughts that I don't deserve to be happy. Other times things have flowed more when I've found pleasure within a saturn realm / mode or created discipline around venus matters. Tbh this is very much work in progress so not sure that's the best approach but maybe others will have similar exp

I think the best thing I've learnt that I can feed back into this aspect positively is discernment. In your e.g maybe only getting to know people you are interested in (rather than letting others decide a friendship). Know for myself I never valued myself enough so let others dictate if they wanted to be friends and also most of how the friendship worked. Just realised too, wonder if it's related, friends always revolved around work set-ups for me

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posted August 25, 2015 12:35 AM            

I am very artistic and can find beauty in anything. I like old things, not buying new. I also don't like to own many things-quality before quantity!

I am a tireless worker and would die of depression if I didn't get work!!

I seem to attract men that are either 5 years older or 5 years younger.

posted August 25, 2015 04:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Soltze:
I have the opposition.

I always had this nagging voice telling me how ugly and inadequate I am.
... I've learned to not even argue with it anymore, I literally tell my own thoughts to shut up.

Venus/Saturn makes me feel instaneously tense in dates or situations where there's some kind of sexual tension in the air.
... But I'm being brave now and getting on with my life.

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I have the opposition too, Soltze! I can relate to what you're saying. And like you, I've struggled in my life with feeling like "I'm ugly" and armoring-up with that muscle tension-thing when I'm around people. I know that they can subconsciously pick up on it, and this may be making some of them feel more~nervous around me, until I get focused and relax more once conversations start.

It didn't help that I had 3 younger brothers who teased me way too hard. I remember having wanted to dance when I was a young girl, and they laughed me to scorn. (I used to have serious past-life dreams of having been in a ballet troupe when I was ~9 to 11 years old?).

My family ridiculed me sooo hard that even today I have to almost-numb myself when I walk in front of people. ((It's nice and safe here behind the keyboard? hehheh! I can adeptly ether-dance in my stilettos with music urls I leave in some racier & more-daring moments here on LL threads. Oh yeah, I want to! LOL))

I was married in the 1980s, and we had children and a business together. At one point I took a modeling course (Barbizon) to gain more polish and etiquette. First night, they had us "walk" around the room, up some stairs and down. Not realizing how pent-up I had been, tears began to silently stream down my face uncontrollably, while I "paraded" my body around the room. I felt just awful, but by the end of 60 hours, I realized it was 'therapy' and well worth the cost of that.

I recently listened to several personal interviews and a standup comedy video of a physically very beautiful woman who has this opposition in the same houses that I do... 5th and 11th. Janeane Garofalo. http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Garofalo%2C_Janeane

Notice how she pushes away compliments by Ms Walters....

(topic) Janeane Garofalo (eg. venusOPPsaturn-rx/ 5th/11th) interviewed by Barbara Walters [5:36] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXXhWXv0xIE

It's easy for me to love, but has been very difficult for me to allow myself "receive" that kind of love back. I've starved myself for a long time... and I know that it's been incredibly highly frustrating for those around me. I feel such sorrow about that~~ it's like I don't realize it until 'afterwards'.

Been in need of much healing, and it's occurring. Takes some really high-caliber Love to love a Desperado~ I work as hard or harder (on the inside to get out), as enduring-friends do to REACH towards me, from the outside, for me to take it in. (tg, tg)

And I weep so often-- tears of mourning that I unconsciously put up those shields so fast, and tears of humbled Joy when I find once and again that my tribe never gives up on me. {{{ }}} Makes me just want to work even more-diligently to Heal the inside.

I am soooo lucky, so blessed and fortunate in this Universe.... because I do have people who Love me in this world and beyond.

(music) Desperado (Linda Ronstadt) [3:46] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAK5Ids7l5g

posted August 26, 2015 05:27 AM            

I don't think its a "confidence" issue with me. I know I am gorgeous

But I think its that inner feeling I get that "love" is for simple people that complex people tend to stuff up at.

I haven't found/fallen in love because I don't think most people 'worthy' of getting to love- in that way.

I have very high standards and I expect absolute adhesion to those. And that is what love is NOT.

posted August 26, 2015 04:30 PM            

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Excerpts: A reading from the Book of Betty Lunsted (1980) called "Astrological Insights into Personality." Published by Ibis Press. (Italics, capitalizations, and lite punctuations added for emphasis and clarity.)

VENUS-SATURN ASPECTS pp 222-223.
When Venus and Saturn are in aspect, major phases of personality are forced to consciousness in order that we may mature.
These contacts have not been easy ones in the people I've{B.L.} observed, for the energy tends to restrict the part of the self that reaches out for self-satisfaction.

The VENUS position indicates how our mother affects our psyche, in regard to the 'feminine' function;
it indicates how she influences the development of a concept of womanhood, the concept of self-gratification, and in a 'personal sense' she influences our ability to love and appreciate being loved.

SATURN represents our father's impact on our psyche during our early years.
The Saturn placement is traditionally interpreted as a restriction;
some astrologers explain it as "I lack," and it certainly represents an aspect of personality that is the least confident.

The Saturn influence indicates 'the concept of self-worth', and, as maturity occurs, self-confidence can develop in this area because Saturn becomes the strong point in the chart as the cycles of life progress.

The combination of these two facets of life, indicates How we view our capacity for self-worth and How confidence affects Career accomplishment, and Personal relationships.

The hard aspects between these planets sometimes cause an individual to pursue only career goals, for the emotional life may be repressed.

In order to overcome Venus-Saturn aspects we have to re-establish personal values as adults.
If we become a victim of the aspect, we often create the same relationship problems that our parents had;
we project our parents' Values onto those people we love, and we may develop an extremely pessimistic attitude about loving.

When Pessimism is rampant, it usually indicates that.... all the energies are put into the-accumulation-of-money, for Money is a "trustable" commodity.

When people with hard Venus-Saturn aspects are successful in terms of Career, it usually indicates that.... they have not been successful or fulfilled in the Love Department, for that part of themselves remains undeveloped.

At some point in life, it is important to experience love and affection; --- it's easier to reach a Higher Consciousness when we can allow ourselves to be vulnerable in a 'feeling' situation.

If we cannot "put out" on a personal level, our philosophy of life is only a theory.
A Higher Consciousness cannot be thought-- it must be felt.

When loving and appreciating being-loved is restricted, the possibility of spiritual attainment remains only an interesting concept...

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Healing... {{ + }}

(music) Stay With Me! (Bette Midler) [6:12] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc1oznH5bNE

Think Positive, and Love Yourself, and NEVER Give Up! {{hug}}

posted August 26, 2015 04:45 PM            

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Originally posted by NeptunianSag:
No matter what I do, I'm never satisfied. Both Venus and saturn in 4th house. How do you people, with the harsh aspects find happiness? Getting to know people feels hard for me.

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I have venus and saturn conjunct in the 4th house. I try to find joy in small things. Of course its fleeting but I think comparitively they are great because if you are happy all the time, it wont really feel that great either. Life is about contrasts.

posted August 26, 2015 04:59 PM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
Saturn gets better with time. Over time you will learn to let down your inhibition, take actions and realize there isnt a hard price to pay but rather relationship is work and you cannot give in to the nature of your natal venus sign. For example if you have venus in scorpio square saturn, you learn to not fall too hard too soon or having all or nothing attitude. You learn to work gradually with your relationship. If you have venus in pisces, it'd be similar. Not everything is perfect. Etc

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